Most overpowered 3.5 classes

[ivendale]

1. Sword sage
2. Ninja
3. War blade
4. Scout
5. Dread Necromancer
6. Vampire
7. P.C worrior
8. Bigiuler
9. PC spellcaster
10. Crusader

I would love to hear your opinion on the most overpowered classes

[Defiant]

Core:

1. Wizard
2. Cleric
3. Druid

[Keld Denar]

D) None of the above.

EDIT:

You are new around here, aren't you? Time to duck and cover, flamewar inc!

[Yukitsu]

Outside core:

Wizard
Cleric
Druid
Artificer

[WaterTengu]

D) None of the above.

EDIT:

You are new around here, aren't you? Time to duck and cover, flamewar inc!

can you feel the ground shaking, it is the feeling of an onrush of trolls and flamers all converging on this position.

[konfeta]

You missed Archivist and a bunch of imbaRCees?

[Draz74]

What's your definition of overpowered? Cuz if you think Swordsage is the most powerful class, you're way off. But "over"powered seems to carry a connotation of expectation, like "this class is stronger than it should have been." Which could be a totally different question, if you think Swordsages are an archetype that should be especially weak.

{Scrubbed} Because the "PC Worrior" and "PC Spellcaster" entries on your list don't make any sense.

Anyway, I'd say
1) Artificer
2) Druid
3) Wizard
4) Archivist
5) Cleric
6) Beguiler
7) Psion
8) Sorcerer
9) Wu Jen
10) Spirit Shaman

[Nohwl]

every full caster.

[Mr.Bookworm]

1. Sword sage
2. Ninja
3. War blade
4. Scout
5. Dread Necromancer
6. Vampire
7. P.C worrior
8. Bigiuler
9. PC spellcaster
10. Crusader

I would love to hear your opinion on the most overpowered classes

...

Huh?

The ToB classes are regarded as powerful, but not overpowered. Ninja is regarded as a weak class, and Scout is the same. Dread Necromancer, while a full caster, and thus powerful, is one of the weaker full spellcasters. Beguiler, while very powerful, is not at the top of the power rankings. Vampire isn't even a class, and even if it was, it's still pretty weak, due to LA. I don't even know what you mean by PC warrior and PC spellcaster. Do you mean the generic class variant?

My top 5 list, in no particular order.

1. Artificer
2. Druid
3. Cleric
4. Wizard
5. Archivist

[AmberVael]

The TRUENAMER!
Those utterances are horribly powerful you know, and I mean, you can hit those truename checks every time.

[VerdugoExplode]

The TRUENAMER!

Lies! The Samurai is clearly superior being able to fight with two weapons at once and his inspiring shouts to demoralize his enemies!

[Artanis]

every full caster.

The Warmage begs to differ

[Shosuro Ishii]

Lies! The Samurai is clearly superior being able to fight with two weapons at once and his inspiring shouts to demoralize his enemies!

semi related question:

Why is it that Samuari and truenamer take so much crap for being bad (not that they don't deserve) but the spelltheif, who is just a rogue who trades a vast majority of his abilities for a crappy ability that is only useful in fairly specific situations, gets a free pass?


That's just alway bugged me. Or am I just missing some really obvious reason that the spelltheif isn't one of the worst classes out there?

[ericgrau]

1. Sword sage
2. Ninja
3. War blade
4. Scout
5. Dread Necromancer
6. Vampire
7. P.C worrior
8. Bigiuler
9. PC spellcaster
10. Crusader

I would love to hear your opinion on the most overpowered classes

Wait? The ninja?

[AmberVael]

semi related question:

Why is it that Samuari and truenamer take so much crap for being bad (not that they don't deserve) but the spelltheif, who is just a rogue who trades a vast majority of his abilities for a crappy ability that is only useful in fairly specific situations, gets a free pass?


That's just alway bugged me. Or am I just missing some really obvious reason that the spelltheif isn't one of the worst classes out there?

Because Fax likes the spell thief and none of us want to provoke his ire.
But really, the Spell Thief isn't that bad. Spell casting ability, the ability to deal with spellcasters, and roguish abilities allow them to contribute. They're better than some of the other classes, at least.

[Kesnit]

semi related question:

Why is it that Samuari and truenamer take so much crap for being bad (not that they don't deserve) but the spelltheif, who is just a rogue who trades a vast majority of his abilities for a crappy ability that is only useful in fairly specific situations, gets a free pass?


That's just alway bugged me. Or am I just missing some really obvious reason that the spelltheif isn't one of the worst classes out there?

There's levels of sucky-ness. Spellthief is not good, but Samurai and Truenamer are worse. As I understand it (not having played them), Spellthief is actually playable. Samurai and Truenamer are not.

[kopout]

can you feel the ground shaking, it is the feeling of an onrush of trolls and flamers all converging on this position.

actually thing hear are rather civil

[Shosuro Ishii]

actually thing hear are rather civil

I think that's because a vast number of the people participating in the other 7class flame wars over the last few days have been banned.

There are no flames when no one cares enough to flame.

[imperialspectre]

The spellthief trades a couple defensive class features and a few dice of Sneak Attack in exchange for casting slightly better than a ranger and the ability to emulate full casters from time to time. That's both playable and quite capable, if played well.

[Artanis]

semi related question:

Why is it that Samuari and truenamer take so much crap for being bad (not that they don't deserve) but the spelltheif, who is just a rogue who trades a vast majority of his abilities for a crappy ability that is only useful in fairly specific situations, gets a free pass?


That's just alway bugged me. Or am I just missing some really obvious reason that the spelltheif isn't one of the worst classes out there?

To add to what Kesnit said, there was a thread on the WotC boards a while back where a guy compiled the "general consensus" of every class's power level. The Samurai was in the bottom 5...and that included the NPC classes

Now, the list itself is debateable (and would be anyways even if it weren't ), but it's the closest thing to an actual list that I know of.

[Assassin89]

The most overpowered class in any D&D games is purely subjective. With the correct combination of feats and skills, any class can become overpowered.

I better break out the fire extinguishers and vials of acid in case there are complications which would lock this thread.

[Shosuro Ishii]

The spellthief trades a couple defensive class features and a few dice of Sneak Attack in exchange for casting slightly better than a ranger and the ability to emulate full casters from time to time. That's both playable and quite capable, if played well.

I can see that.

I just always looked at the spelltheif and thought, "Well, I can play this, or a rogue, or a caster, or a beguiler, or one of a dozen other things and not be as terrible. I suppose that the truenamer is uniquly bad.

Also, isn't having better spellcasting than a ranger sorta of a back handed compliment. I was under the impression that they had one of the worst spell casting lists avaliable (I've always just houseruled it out for convience...gave the class an animal companion at level 1...none of my players ever had a problem).

Edit: In regards to the WoTC list of class power, I saw it, but it didn't actually explain why certain classes were placed where they were. It was just a numerical listing.

[monty]

My top 5 list, in no particular order.

1. Artificer
2. Druid
3. Cleric
4. Wizard
5. Archivist

Conclusion reached.

Those are the Big Five.

[Flickerdart]

7. P.C worrior

Oh yes, those blasted Progressive Conservatives. I can't stand the way they parade their superior budget around. It drives me utterly mad!


@^: What about Erudites with that thing (feat?) that lets them learn Arcane spells? They could go toe to toe with those guys easy.

[Lert, A.]

Anyway, I'd say
1) Artificer
2) Druid
3) Wizard
4) Archivist
5) Cleric
6) Beguiler
7) Psion
8) Sorcerer
9) Wu Jen
10) Spirit Shaman

I personally find the Psion to be powerful but not overpowered (certain builds excepted). I would be hard pressed to find a #10 to replace him though. Maybe Totemist. Maybe.

Otherwise, this would be my list as well, just shuffled around a wee bit.

[monty]

What about the ridiculous arcane swordsage variant? It's a caster, but with effectively infinite spell slots! Isn't that a great idea?

[AmberVael]

What about the ridiculous arcane swordsage variant? It's a caster, but with effectively infinite spell slots! Isn't that a great idea?

With the number of spells they know, combined with the suggested limitation of what spells they can choose? It really isn't that bad.

[Draz74]

I personally find the Psion to be powerful but not overpowered (certain builds excepted). I would be hard pressed to find a #10 to replace him though. Maybe Totemist. Maybe.

Otherwise, this would be my list as well, just shuffled around a wee bit.

Well, pretend it's the Erudite variant of the Psion, then. As someone else just pointed out, that's Big-5-level cheese.

What about the ridiculous arcane swordsage variant? It's a caster, but with effectively infinite spell slots! Isn't that a great idea?

Mostly I pretend it completely doesn't exist. I assume no DM would be that dumb, even if they were dumb enough to allow Pun-Pun.

[Eldariel]

Conclusion reached.

Those are the Big Five.

Eh. You forgot Erudite.

[BRC]

1. The Secret Bonus Base Class*
2. DMPC's
* Now that 4e is out, I can tell you how to get the SBBC. Get a brand new copy of the PHB, now, read each page at a time, spending approx 1 minute per page until page 16, at which point you MUST go and get a sandwhich. Now, while eating your sandwhich, go to the following pages in this order, 14, 72, 23,01, 21. After reading page 21 in full, finish your sandwhich. Now, roll a D20 until you get a prime number. Add the number of rolls you made to the prime number and open the PHB to that page. There you will find the Secret Bonus Base Class (AKA, Knight of Gygax), it has Heavy Armor Proficiency, Proficiency with all weapons, Monk saves, a Druids animal companion, fighter bonus feats, sneak attack, Full Spontaneous Arcane Casting (without ASF and accsess to all spells on the sor/wiz spell list), Full Divine Casting (Spontaneous, accsess to entire list), and D20 HD. That page also has a sidebar which describes a simplified Grapple system.