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    Bugbear in the Playground
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    Default Sudden Metamagics

    Scenario:

    Human Mage took Sudden Empower and Sudden Maximize as a feat. He can only use the metamagics 1/Day, but he can basically Empower and Maximize a Fireball, and still keep it third level while taking the 'normal' feats would require him to bump that spell 9th level.

    Problem:

    Is a Sudden Empowered, Sudden Maximized Fireball treated as a 9th level spell for the effects of dispelling, or a 3rd level spell. I'm assuming 3rd level spell, as it is not actually taking higher spell slots, and any other way would be incredably powerful, even for mage standards.

    Edit: Hmm..now that I think about it, I don't think fireball can be dispelled, if I recall correctly. It's an instantanous effect. In that case, subistute the fireball spell for some spell that can be dispelled.
    Last edited by Ixahinon; 2008-12-16 at 07:49 PM.

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    Barbarian in the Playground
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    Default Re: Sudden Metamagics

    Generally metamagic other than Heighten Spell doesn't increase the spell
    s level for any purpose other than the memorization slot it takes up.

    Save DC doesn't go up, etc.

    This is why they included Heighten Spell.

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    Bugbear in the Playground
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    Default Re: Sudden Metamagics

    Quote Originally Posted by Tacoma View Post
    Generally metamagic other than Heighten Spell doesn't increase the spell
    s level for any purpose other than the memorization slot it takes up.

    Save DC doesn't go up, etc.

    This is why they included Heighten Spell.
    *slaps forehead* I'm stoopid.

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    Default Re: Sudden Metamagics

    Quote Originally Posted by Ixahinon View Post
    Edit: Hmm..now that I think about it, I don't think fireball can be dispelled, if I recall correctly. It's an instantanous effect. In that case, subistute the fireball spell for some spell that can be dispelled.
    It can be counterspelled, though.

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    Surgebinder in the Playground Moderator
     
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    Default Re: Sudden Metamagics

    Quote Originally Posted by RebelRogue View Post
    It can be counterspelled, though.
    And it's still the same spell, too, so even a Heightened-to-9th Fireball with every sudden metamagic in the book piled on can be countered with just a regular Fireball out of a 3rd level slot with no metamagic at all.

    Also, spell level is completely irrelevant to dispelling. Only caster level affects the DC.
    Last edited by Douglas; 2008-12-16 at 08:02 PM.
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