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    Default Favorite level for 3.5 play?

    My favorite level is 11th. Everybody's feeling good about themselves. Some claim that the class imbalance between full casters and non has already become too much of an issue, but I don't agree. The martial classes just picked up their 3rd attack and are serious power houses. The monk just picked up greater flurry and the very underrated immunity to poison. The rogue most likely has had opportunist for a level now, the wizard is having fun with disintegrate or summoning bralani eldadrin, clerics are playing around with heal/harm, the bard is throwing out inspire greatness, and just all in all everyone is having a dandy time and feeling useful. Plus, there aren't so many modifiers in play that the game has bogged down to the point of being an exercise in record-keeping. In both campaigns I played in that went that high I remember that time as a high point.

    What's your favorite level?

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    I'm a fan of 8-11, myself.

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    7th level, myself. At this level, everyone already has a number of abilities, feats, spells etc. but they're not too powerful yet.
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    I'd agree with Fax. 8th-11th is just about right- I might go just a tad lower, but only to about 7th-9th.

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    1-5...

    It's all I seem to have played in the past 5 years.

    There's just something magical about dying because a goblin gets lucky with that morningstar, although it's not as funny as it was in 3.0 when they were still swinging d8 morningstars.
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    7-10.
    Class imbalance isn't too bad, and an underoptimized character doesn't automatically lead to the death of a group. And making a character at those levels is fun, doesn't take forever like in level 15. And not aggravating in your weakness like level 1.

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    I like a wide variety of levels of play.

    Lately I've steered away from levels 1-3, as those tend to be a bit too fatal for my liking. But overall, it depends on what I feel like at a given moment - sometimes I feel like low-level play, sometimes high level play.
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    11 precisely. It's just at that point that the system starts its full on collapse, and there you are, teetering on the brink of the oblivion that is soon to be the campaign. 7 in modern, because it tends to degenerate a lot quicker. I like campaigns that flicker that much more brightly just before someone does something stupid and we all die.
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    With a good GM, level is a very minor consideration. However, most GM's I've met have a hard time challenging high-level parties - say level15+.

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    For me it's all about the magic. I like casters to have 3rd - 6th level spells. There is a lot of win in there, but the daily allotment of win is lower than it is at later levels.

    That said I also appreciate low level games where players have to rely on creative uses of mundane equipment. These require the right sort of GM though.
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    I'm ok with a broad range of things; I prefer minimum which allows for a comfortable amount of spells or fleshed out multiclass combinations... while the upper range is mostly what the OP wrote. I'd say I am a fan of anything lvl 3-13.

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    8-12. It starts just before that Lv 9 feat, so you can get a feel for the campaign and your character before you pick it. At that level monsters get pretty interesting, and you can the whole middle band of monsters. You could fight lots of CR 3 monsters or get up to CR 16 monsters for boss encounters. And you get that Lv 12 feat.


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    Default Re: Favorite level for 3.5 play?

    10-15.

    Just getting to do super cool stuff instead of doing things for people. And you can finish off a PrC.

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    15-20. Power, give me power! That said, I play 6-14 quite a bit too. I try to avoid 1-5 since the character's identity isn't mechanically realized yet, one unlucky roll is all it takes (on high levels, you can at least legally fudge the rolls) and one has too few options.
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    I'd have to go with probably around levels 5-7. It's high enough to where casters/ToBers have some nifty things, but it's before everything gets really complicated.

    (Also, it's the highest I've ever played in a real game, so I guess I'm slightly biased. )
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    Couldn't say. I've never played in a game that made it past level 7.
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    Default Re: Favorite level for 3.5 play?

    8-11 personally. Generally pretty balanced, and I play meleers a lot so I get to feel like I'm contributing.
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    Default Re: Favorite level for 3.5 play?

    Anything between 6th and 20th, really. I like casters, and 6th level is when my favorite casters, the sorcerer and mystic, get their 3rd level spells. By this point in time, they have a lot of staying power since they have a fair number of spells per day. Also, as has been said before, in general higher level = more options for most classes.

    I haven't had a chance to play D&D above 20th level before, so I couldn't say how I like the epic rules in practice.

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    5 - 8

    Low enough level to still feel the thrill of a very real chance of dying in an encounter without hope of raising, but high enough to have some interesting options in and out of combat.

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    1st because, as Haley said "it's all kobats and copper peices" pluss their is a very good chance of death.

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    7th, give or take a level or two. You've got enough punch to be interesting but you're not immortal yet.
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    Mine is 2. You don't die in 1 hit, you can set up a multiclass already, and your next feat and often some main class features are only 1 level away.

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    Default Re: Favorite level for 3.5 play?

    That depends on the party constellation. The more spellcasters are involved, the more the latter levels become strenuous. With a mostly mundane party, levels 12-20 are still interesting and offer relevant chalenges. With one or two primary spellcasters, in the party, everything in the double-digit levels is no fun anymore.
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    Even if i like to see great wyrms, a world-shaking powers and a finished build, there's nothing like 1st level.

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    ~11. You have a PrC under your belt, you have a good bit of awesome, and a bit of room before wrecking all that is good and pure.
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    4-10, myself. Plenty of options without being overpowered yet, and pretty much all classes can contribute meaningfully.
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    21-22. Leave out the Epic spell stuff, and you've got all the options in the world, with just enough control to not be completely unworkable. It's fun living on the edge of the abyss.

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    3-7

    This is the sweet spot for me. At level 3 you have an established character with weaknesses and strengths. His power is comparable to most npcs, but he's got enough tricks to survive most encounters. At the high end, most level 7 characters are heroic, but weak enough that I can appreciate a harrying combat or defeating a foe.

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    1-5...

    It's all I seem to have played in the past 5 years.

    There's just something magical about dying because a goblin gets lucky with that morningstar, although it's not as funny as it was in 3.0 when they were still swinging d8 morningstars.
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    I have played games at just abot any level. Levels 13 and Epic (sans epic spells) I like the most because they're the most balanced.


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