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2013-02-03, 05:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: "Wait again, that didn't work right" - the Dysfunctional Rules Collection
This is actually a change from 3.0, so evidently it was intentional. Arms and Equipment Guide actually has tables for range of weapons based on their size. Back in the day, a gargantuan longbow would have a lot bigger range.
While that table's not explicitly ignored in 3.5, it's implicitly gone, because ballistas are huge crossbows and yet have the same range as crossbows.
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2013-02-03, 06:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: "Wait again, that didn't work right" - the Dysfunctional Rules Collection
Well feats exist to increase the 30' range
Crossbow Sniper (PH2 p77) — sets the range to 60'
Ranged Skirmisher (DR346 p87) — sets the range to 60' — Skirmish ony
and then there's the OBI capstone.
And you can argue that Far Shot increases the range by 50%π = 4
Consider a 5' radius blast: this affects 4 squares which have a circumference of 40' — Actually it's worse than that.
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2013-02-03, 02:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-03, 05:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: "Wait again, that didn't work right" - the Dysfunctional Rules Collection
Chain devils are immune to cold.
Ice devils aren't.Projects: Homebrew, Gentlemen's Agreement, DMPCs, Forbidden Knowledge safety, and Top Ten Worst. Also, Quotes and RACSD are good.
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2013-02-03, 06:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-03, 09:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: "Wait again, that didn't work right" - the Dysfunctional Rules Collection
π = 4
Consider a 5' radius blast: this affects 4 squares which have a circumference of 40' — Actually it's worse than that.
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2013-02-03, 09:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-03, 10:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-03, 11:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: "Wait again, that didn't work right" - the Dysfunctional Rules Collection
π = 4
Consider a 5' radius blast: this affects 4 squares which have a circumference of 40' — Actually it's worse than that.
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2013-02-03, 11:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've got a new fantasy TTRPG about running your own fencing school in a 3 musketeers pastiche setting. Book coming soon.
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2013-02-04, 12:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-04, 12:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: "Wait again, that didn't work right" - the Dysfunctional Rules Collection
It is indeed, along with see in darkness.
Edit: Hey, found another one. A character does not need to use a shield to gain the benefit of the Knight's Shield Block ability.Last edited by The Viscount; 2013-02-04 at 03:36 AM.
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2013-02-04, 09:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: "Wait again, that didn't work right" - the Dysfunctional Rules Collection
You need to 'have' a shield bonus though as the language says it increases. (As opposed to: You gain a +1 shield bonus, this stacks with any other shield bonus.)
So...you could have a spell providing a shield bonus...
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I'm refering to the big blocks of text with a header of WEAPONS that follows the table. Not to the table. So please drop the insults.
Do me a favor and turn 200 pages, read the glossary definitions of unarmed attacks and unarmed strikes and then feel sheepish.Last edited by Pickford; 2013-02-04 at 09:08 AM.
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2013-02-04, 09:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: "Wait again, that didn't work right" - the Dysfunctional Rules Collection
My goodness, pickford, are you still trying to win the discussion on unarmed strikes? Please open a new thread, we will all be happy to endlessly debate that particular dysfunction. This thread is for no single dysfunction.
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2013-02-04, 09:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-04, 02:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: "Wait again, that didn't work right" - the Dysfunctional Rules Collection
I suspected something like this might be the rule, but I'm not sure. Are you certain you cannot simply say it "increases" from 0? Or is a character without a shield assumed to have a shield bonus of "-"?
Credit where credit is due, this thread brought up the fact that even Big T is limited to a 5 foot step as a free action, which for him is moving 1/6th his space, equivalent to a medium creature moving 10 inches.Kolyarut Avatar by Potatocubed.
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2013-02-04, 07:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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I feel this comic is relevant, as so often.
But yeah, open a new thread and respond to all the misinformation in one spot there, OK?Projects: Homebrew, Gentlemen's Agreement, DMPCs, Forbidden Knowledge safety, and Top Ten Worst. Also, Quotes and RACSD are good.
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2013-02-04, 09:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-05, 12:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well said. Perhaps we can discuss shield block a little. I am unsure as to whether one actually needs the shield to gain the bonus.
Another one that's more some error than a dysfunction. In Drow of the Underdark, there are several class features for Drow taking base classes. They forgot to mention that you have to be Drow to use the ACFs, though they certainly talk about it in flavor text.Kolyarut Avatar by Potatocubed.
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2013-02-05, 12:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-05, 01:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Here's a really confusing one. Shade Hunter from Champions of Ruin is literally impossible to enter. Why? It requires, among many other things, "shades as a favored enemy." Shade is neither a type of creature nor a specific creature name.
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2013-02-05, 01:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: "Wait again, that didn't work right" - the Dysfunctional Rules Collection
Funny, I was going to include that.
Ok, if you want another disfunction, according to Curmudgeon you can't make any attacks during a full attack action because:
"Making an attack is a standard action." and you can't take standard actions while using a full-round action.
edit: and just for mattie p's sanity: Unarmed Strikes are made without weapons.Last edited by Pickford; 2013-02-05 at 01:21 AM.
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2013-02-05, 06:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-05, 06:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: "Wait again, that didn't work right" - the Dysfunctional Rules Collection
No, it does not.
Read the glossary, which defines Unarmed Strike as an attack without a weapon.
Proficiency with unarmed strikes does not exist. Instead, when attacking unarmed, you give up certain benefits of weapons, unless you are trained to counteract those.
Monks may not be proficient with unarmed strikes, but since there is no penalty defined for not being proficient with them, it does not mean a damn thing. Penalties for non-proficiency is defined in terms of weapons, which unarmed strikes are not.
The section you quoted does not state the other ways in which unarmed strikes are different from weapons, so clearly it is incomplete (for instance, unarmed strikes do not deal lethal damage unless you have a feat or are a monk).
The entry under "Weapons" call out in what manner unarmed strike acts as a weapon. If it were a weapon, IT WOULD NOT NEED TO DO THIS. The exception proves the rule; since it calls out an exception, there must be a rule to which that exception applies.
You are correct in that Unarmed Strike is listed as a weapon with which you get proficiency.
Where you go wrong is that there is no clause for non-proficiency with an unarmed strike. It is defined as not being a weapon, and there is no table to refer to for non-proficiency. In other words, Simple Weapon Proficiency may make you proficient with Unarmed Strikes, it just doesn't mean anything, as there are no penalties associated with being non-proficient with an unarmed strike.
Really, it is straight forward, but it means precisely the opposite of what you think it does.
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2013-02-05, 08:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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New thread is up for the unarmed strike discussion. Thanks in advance for moving the discussion there.
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2013-02-05, 11:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: "Wait again, that didn't work right" - the Dysfunctional Rules Collection
π = 4
Consider a 5' radius blast: this affects 4 squares which have a circumference of 40' — Actually it's worse than that.
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