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2007-04-02, 01:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wall of China . . . for free?
I was just reading through ToB and was looking at the Deepstone Sentinel PrC. According to the text, he can use his Dragon's Tooth ability to create stone pillars, each occupying a 5 foot square. As each pillar only takes a standard action to make, he could make four and a half miles of stone wall in only eight hours. (5 feet/round x 10 rounds/minute x 60 minutes/hour x 8 hours/day / 5280 feet = 4.54 miles). The text says nothing about the duration of the pillar other than that you can dismiss it as a standard action. Would this work? If so, you could prepare some pretty formidable defenses if you had a few hours notice.
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2007-04-02, 01:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sure! That's an excellent use of the ability. I might use that for a little plot hook sometime.
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2007-04-02, 02:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-04-02, 02:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-04-02, 02:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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But they're all pillars... not continuous wall. Depending on the type of pillar, couldn't you just squeeze through them?
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2007-04-02, 02:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not if they are all 5 foot in diameter, then you place them next to each other and they are touching each other. Of course it just says that it takes up a 5 foot square, and not that they are 5 feet in diameter. So it would depend on rules about squeezing between things, which I don't know if they exist, and DM fiat unless the diameter is specified somewhere and just not stated in this topic.
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2007-04-02, 02:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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A pillar doesn't have to be round, it could be a 5x5 square, meaning that you could make a solid wall of these. Get a team of these guys and you can have it done pretty quick.
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2007-04-02, 02:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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I had this idea as soon as I read the PrC. It gets better for building your HQ. You make a solid wall, with no gaps, then build a floor on top of that etc. You don't build any doors, you just dismiss/add new pillars instead. Could be pretty cool.
Also useful for setting traps. Dig a hole 10ft deep, 'bout 15ft wide, put nasty stuff on the bottom, then place planks of wood, balanced form the pillar to the edge, like spokes. Then place a tarpaulin over the top, then add appropriate camofluage over the top. Wait for the enemy to walk over, dismiss pillar.
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2007-04-02, 02:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Actually, I wouldn't make a solid wall. I'd make a corridor, fifteen feet wide, of which I'd stand in the middle.
The thing about Deepstone Sentinels is that, unlike their counterpart Dwarven Defender, they have a method of getting their foes to come to them.
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2007-04-02, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-04-02, 03:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Pretty much.
I have yet to try the build I've posted, but mechanically it seems sound. You'd need a high CHA, though, for Knight's Challenge, which is atypical for a fighter-type.
Further, I'm not sure if terrain modifiers stack. One of the Knight's abilities makes terrain more difficult, as does the Deepstone Sentinel's Mountain Stance. If it does, you could force someone to spend four squares to move one square for all squares you threaten.Wiki - Q&A - FB - LIn - Tw
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2007-04-02, 03:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hmm, I think they wouldn't stack, as the Deepwarden creates actual difficult terrain, and the Knight's Bulwark of Defense ability causes squares you threaten to be "treated as difficult," which doesn't do anything if those squares already ARE difficult. It'd be nice if the ability said that already-difficult squares became MORE difficult, but it really doesn't.
Of course, this is why you want a reach weapon. Making all squares within 10 feet of you difficult terrain is awesome anyway."'To know, to do, and to keep silent.' Crowley had the first two down pat."
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2007-04-02, 03:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-04-02, 03:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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that build is amazing, and the deepstone sentinal is probably the best PrC in that book. Though in most of the games i am playing it is house ruled that you dont have to be a drawf to use it
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2007-04-02, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-04-02, 05:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-04-03, 02:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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I prefer Eternal Blade myself, but thats because there's something about dwarves I just don't like.
And Warblade/Duskblade/JPM is pretty solid.
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2007-04-03, 08:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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2007-04-03, 08:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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It would be a wall, but hardly solid. It would consist of 5-foot sections which do not support each other in any way. Apply enough muscle to any section - much less muscle than you would need to break through an actual wall -, and that section topples, giving you a 5-foot gap.
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2007-04-03, 08:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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That is why you use 64 days to create 8 of these walls, directly behind the first. That would be harder to plow through.
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2007-04-03, 08:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2007-04-03, 08:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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That is what I meant, I was a bit vague.
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2007-04-03, 09:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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2007-04-03, 09:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah... that's why I hate all wall-creating spells and abilities so much.
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2007-04-03, 03:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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If you can dismiss it, doesn't that mean it can be dispelled?
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2007-04-03, 03:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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