Tasha Preview, Wild Magic Barbarian and Genie Warlock

[micahaphone]

https://dndcelebration2020.com/#/previews


Barb is looking great, glad they got rid of limited the "spell slot battery" thing
In general I love that you can use some of the wild magic roll multiple times per rage, sort of a "let's embrace the weird" energy.
And you have a chance of becoming the best throwing weapon character without needing dual wielder feat

I don't see anything explicitly different about the genie warlock, but I might be missing some small changes


edit: the Marid expanded spell list contains "control warmer" can't wait for that

[GorogIrongut]

Gotta say, I'm glad the Genielock came through unscathed. And the Barbarian looks to be quite playable. I'd play either of them quite happily. Heck, I might even do a M/C between the two of them for the fun of it.

[diplomancer]

Is this the first comeback of the mythical d3 in 5e?

[Edea]

>one of the available foci is a ring
>elementals

I am...getting a Captain Planet vibe from this pact, so far...also LOL control warmer.

[Mr Adventurer]

https://dndcelebration2020.com/#/previews


Barb is looking great, glad they got rid of limited the "spell slot battery" thing
In general I love that you can use some of the wild magic roll multiple times per rage, sort of a "let's embrace the weird" energy.
And you have a chance of becoming the best throwing weapon character without needing dual wielder feat

I don't see anything explicitly different about the genie warlock, but I might be missing some small changes


edit: the Marid expanded spell list contains "control warmer" can't wait for that

What is this website?

[micahaphone]

What is this website?

Next dnd conference, all virtual. Play some online AL or watch panels

https://dnd.wizards.com/dndcelebration

[jas61292]

Really don't like that they are doubling down on using proficiency bonus as a form of scaling. Really buffs multiclassing. Just glad that, between these two, the its nothing too good at low level. But still...

[Spiritchaser]

They kept wish on the list...

I’ll likely never play or DM at those levels, but... I have to think that’s open up a whole lot of options...

[Edea]

They kept wish on the list...

I’ll likely never play or DM at those levels, but... I have to think that’s open up a whole lot of options...

Eh, it uses an Arcanum, not a Pact Magic slot, so its a 6/half-dozen scenario, really. "Well, bards, sorcerers and wizards can do this already, might as well add warlocks to that list."

In fact, it might help ever-so-slightly with actually getting people to stay in warlock, rather than multi-out the instant they get invocations and the 2nd Pact Magic slot.

[Pex]

Hooray for Genie Warlock! I want to play one so bad.

[MrStabby]

I thought the barbarian looked a bit rubbish until I realised it didn't use the Sorcerer wild magic table but had its own, better table.

Not likely to play either of these, but I can see the way these classes are going and it looks promising.

[BerzerkerUnit]

They kept wish on the list...

I’ll likely never play or DM at those levels, but... I have to think that’s open up a whole lot of options...

Focus firing your Eldritch blasts with your Wished Simulacrum. A Warlock that can prep Clones for the whole party...

In conjunction with Limited Wish it makes a Warlock more or less a suitable alternative to a wizard.

I love it.

Over the next 4 seasons of AL, I will likely play 4 different Genielocks for a full set.

[Hael]

The barbarian is very meh. It’s ok in tier1/2 but falls off insanely hard. This was already a problem for the class, but here it’s strictly weaker than the other subclasses bc of the bad scaling in that wild table.

The strongest feature is the spell slot battery, which is ok support, but still doesn’t overcome the overall weakness.

Genie is unchanged and fantastic.

[Luccan]

I thought the barbarian looked a bit rubbish until I realised it didn't use the Sorcerer wild magic table but had its own, better table.

Not likely to play either of these, but I can see the way these classes are going and it looks promising.

Wow. WotC really hates Sorcerers*. That "wild" magic table is just good across the board. I don't even think it's that appealing a subclass, the table is just so much nicer to the PC than the WM Sorc.
*I'm aware most people despise Wild Magic Sorcerer due to the negative effects on it's list, so it makes sense to change the mechanic, but it still really sucks to see its schtick co-opted by another class and remove the entire downside. Everything Sorcerers get WotC wants to give to someone else. But better.

[zinycor]

Really glad the genie warlock is largely unchanged

[Lyracian]

Hooray for Genie Warlock! I want to play one so bad.

It seems nice; I might finally play a warlock.

[Mr Adventurer]

Next dnd conference, all virtual. Play some online AL or watch panels

https://dnd.wizards.com/dndcelebration

Cool, thanks

[Kane0]

Wasnt the genie lock really heavy on the prof bonus progression and gave a random damage bonus that it didnt really need?

[Eldan]

>one of the available foci is a ring
>elementals

I am...getting a Captain Planet vibe from this pact, so far...also LOL control warmer.

The ring may just be a reference to Aladdin, who had a magic ring with a genie bound to it.

[Mr Adventurer]

One of the legendary magic items that is available in the DMG is a Ring of Genie Summoning, in fact.

[EggKookoo]

Ok but what's with this d3 thing?

[Boci]

Ok but what's with this d3 thing?

I assume its "wild magic is wierd, so lets use a largely non-existant dice type", since I can't imagine a d4 would have unbalanced anything. Either that or they're paranoid of lol random archetypes being the best and potentially dominating play so they making extra sure they're below average.

[Waazraath]

Genie Warlock seems both very powerful and fun. Maybe a bit too powerful? Was the case with the hexblade of course, but in general, I think the post-phb subclasses of the warlock are quite a bit stronger than the phb ones (ignoring SCAG here though - so mabye more accurate to say that the later warlock subclasses are better than the earlier). This is imo more the case for Warlock than for other classes (with the possible exception of Ranger, whose Xanathar subclasses were also a bit stronger than the phb ones).

[RSP]

First reaction is “Wow, a barbarian that spends its days learning weapons and using its physical strength but happens to be infused with ‘Wild Magic’ has waaaaayyyy more control over it than a Sorcerer who spends their entire life trying to control such magic.”

I mean, I guess it’s an acknowledgement from WotC that they shouldn’t have made a subclass whose effectiveness is completely up to the DM (WM Sorc in case that’s not obvious) in the first place, but this just really says “Barbs are better at controlling Wild Magic than Sorcerers.” Particularly since nothing bad or even ineffective can come from the Barb’s surges like it can with a Sorc.

Oh well, not like there was too much reason to play a Sorc over a Wizard if you cared about effectiveness anyway.

[Willie the Duck]

First reaction is “Wow, a barbarian that spends its days learning weapons and using its physical strength but happens to be infused with ‘Wild Magic’ has waaaaayyyy more control over it than a Sorcerer who spends their entire life trying to control such magic.”

I mean, I guess it’s an acknowledgement from WotC that they shouldn’t have made a subclass whose effectiveness is completely up to the DM (WM Sorc in case that’s not obvious) in the first place, but this just really says “Barbs are better at controlling Wild Magic than Sorcerers.” Particularly since nothing bad or even ineffective can come from the Barb’s surges like it can with a Sorc.

Oh well, not like there was too much reason to play a Sorc over a Wizard if you cared about effectiveness anyway.

Wow. WotC really hates Sorcerers*. That "wild" magic table is just good across the board. I don't even think it's that appealing a subclass, the table is just so much nicer to the PC than the WM Sorc.
*I'm aware most people despise Wild Magic Sorcerer due to the negative effects on it's list, so it makes sense to change the mechanic, but it still really sucks to see its schtick co-opted by another class and remove the entire downside. Everything Sorcerers get WotC wants to give to someone else. But better.

On the other hand, should WotC really never improve on something everyone has pretty much acknowledged is garbage?

[Boci]

On the other hand, should WotC really never improve on something everyone has pretty much acknowledged is garbage?

Yes, but they haven't improved the wildmagic sorceror. Unless this barbarian archetype is partially a test and they will later release a new version of it like they did with the ranger.

[nickl_2000]

The Genie Warlock with a build in Spike Growth and pushing and pulling with Eldritch Blast seems like it would be absolutely amazing on combat on it's own.

[KorvinStarmast]

Gotta say, I'm glad the Genielock came through unscathed.

Looking forward to it.

Really don't like that they are doubling down on using proficiency bonus as a form of scaling.

I like this. Tastes differ.

They kept wish on the list.

We all have a wish list.

"Well, bards, sorcerers and wizards can do this already, might as well add warlocks to that list."

Yep. Agree on it helping to keep Warlocks in Warlock.

Focus firing your Eldritch blasts with your Wished Simulacrum.

What's not to love?

[BoxANT]

i ordered a big tasty bowl of genie dip and wotc delivered

hard to beat for scaling damage and a nifty ring

[Edea]

It feels bad to see sorcerer get crapped all over...again...

What is it with WotC and the sorcerer class? Skippy's not there anymore, this should've stopped happening...

Hope this Aberrant Mind/Psionic Soul/whatever's good...