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2020-12-02, 10:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
Both paladins have their weapons hanging pretty far from their bodies.
O'Chul is presumably held by both legs, Lien held by her left leg (on our right side). Or by their ankles, rather. Her spear's highest point is level with her head, while his sword is well below his head.
But you are entirely correct. We see green is the dialogues with the paladins, and then he says "grab them", and his speech bubble is removed from the bodies.
So... Orange is one huge hulk that's holding both of them AND their weapons. And given the orientation of the weapons (vertical), I can't imagine feet being the appendages holding these.
A Nalfeshnee is a huge outsider that can fly and has multiattack. Not four arms, though. A Marilith has many arms and telikenesis, though no fly. Formians can't fly, though with this dungeon being tunnels and all, could sorta fit, but then, these aren't typically solo creatures either.Last edited by Goblin_Priest; 2020-12-02 at 10:38 AM.
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2020-12-02, 10:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Also don't a lot of beings say their spell-like abilities out loud despite there being even less need to do that compared to normal spells?
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2020-12-02, 11:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
[Sighs.]
There are few things that we know about the voices.
We know they have colour-on-colour speech bubbles;
we know that they can fly;
we know at least one of them probably has wings;
we know that at least one of them is probably Large or larger;
we know Orange probably has four prehensile limbs;
and we know they can use magic.
(Half-)dragonc can and often do have the same type of speech bubble;
(half-)dragons can fly
because they have wings
if they are Large or larger (in the case of half-dragons; all full dragons can fly with their wings);
and if Wywerns can grab and hold opponents with their legs, true dragons should have mildly prehensile hind legs as well.
Dragons have innate magic, while half-dragons can pile as many spellcaster class levels as they want.
All in all, we have storng arguments for the Voices being (half-)dragons.
Do we have any argument for them being outsiders?
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2020-12-02, 11:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Colored speech bubbles!
But yeah, I have no concrete idea what those two are. Hopefully that'll be fixed soon.Cool elan Illithid Slayer by linkele.
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2020-12-02, 11:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
It's possible there's more than one orange under greens command. The one who speaks is just the foreman, or whatever. The paladins and their weapons could be being carried by 3 large creatures.
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2020-12-02, 11:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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...Well, I suppose that isn't entirely out of the question.
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2020-12-02, 11:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Also, multiple entities makes them a team, which flows in with Team Evil vs the Order.
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2020-12-02, 12:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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I’m still going with them being Kermit and Scooter but I know that’s less popular nowadays.
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2020-12-02, 01:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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You want crazy theories? I can give you crazy theories.
The defenses of the Tomb combine everything the other Scribblers tried and adds more. It is a bluff, warded by magic sigils disguised as traps and is watched over by a flying treant and four winged paladins.
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2020-12-02, 01:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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That's pretty cool.
FWIW: I found that thread to be of little to no value - which might be influenced by the fact that I retired from D&D (as it turned out, for over a decade) early in the 3. 5 era.
Took the books to a half-priced books store and sold them for a bit of beer money.
Back to this topic (sorry that the digression wasn't about Star Wars ) I finally "grokked" the 'change in floor color' detail from Roy. On the fourth read through of the strip.
Do we have any evidence the weapons, or at least one of them was not grabbed by the green one?Que tous les anciens dieux et les nouveaux protègent la France.
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2020-12-02, 03:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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If I could have a crack at this:
Soon's gate fell cause the honor of a paladin isn't unbreakable
Girard's gate fell cause he only trusted in his family. Even taking the familicide aside, him keeping the information in his very specific family cult thingie was what made the gate even a race in the first place, cause if he wasn't so paranoid the order could have definetly gotten there without much trouble(although I highly doubt the Order could have fortified it enough to stop Team Evil). His over-reliance on illusions and trickery were also sorta his downfall to some extent, since it was definetly the most flimsy and unreliable defenses of any gate even if all went according to plan, a result of him pretty much only trusting himself and all his family members that seemed to have basically his same skillset.
Druid Lady's gate fell cause she didn't accounted for undead, which are pretty much the opposite of her whole naturey deal.
Dorukan despite all his planning and intellect had his gate be destroyed by the in the moment actions of the dumbest member in the party. You could also argue that the reason there was a button there in the first place was cause of Dorukan preparing for every possible circunstance ever, like any self-respecting Batman Wizard.
At the end of the day, the most common mistake everyone in the Order of the Scribble made was to believe themselves to be wholy self-reliant(even in Girard and Soon's case, the only people they could trust were pretty much extensions of their themselves, and extremely exclusive secret groups they created). Each gate fell cause of a shortcoming of their specifc abilities and skillsets, which makes Serini's gate an outliar as it's the only gate that specifically wasn't made with only the owner's designs and philosophy in mind. In a comic which is one way or another kinda all about the power of teamwork, it would be fitting that the gate to stand at the end being the one that thus far seems to be at the very least a combination of Kraagor and Serini's ideals.
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2020-12-02, 03:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
I hadn't considered half-dragons. That sounds like it could work. Though why do one of them need to have wings? I see no reference to wings, nor any "woosh" sound effect. They could all be magically flying, which would make the list of potential candidates pretty long.
Well, the location of the speech bubbles, plus the fact the weapons are being held between the two paladins, while Green's bubble is way out on the right side.
Telekinesis could also account for this though and again widen the array of potential candidates.
As for the prehensile feet, well, the angle of the weapons is what bothers me most. Some creatures have finger-like toes, sure. But if you imagine them grabbing stuff like a primate or a bird would, with their feet, then they would be held horizontally, or at best by their top end, but in this case the top end is pointy and not a good place to grab. Holding them with your feet like this would require very flexible ankles, and I can't really think of anything that has such dexterity in their feet. Or doing the split, but again, doing a split is hard on land, doing it in the air, while holding stuff with the feet at the same time... that's a combination of super strength and super dexterity in the lower body.
Could just be an oversight on Rich's part, though, but I can't picture myself any creature holding all four of these things with merely 2 hands and 2 feet.Attention LotR fans
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
I made a webcomic, featuring absurdity, terrible art, and alleged morals.
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Actually, the character is a man that was born during a human mission to Mars to a couple on that mission. They died during the landing I believe and "Valentine Michael Smith" as he was named was raised by Martians who used that term as an expression of understanding. VMS was declared the owner of Mars when he was returned to Earth and the book is about his "adventures" when he comes back to his home planet.
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Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2020-12-02, 05:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Bad theory time:
The monster that guards the actual Gate, once you get past all the traps and trickery, is MitD's parent. It is also the orange voice in the paladin-napping duo.
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Que tous les anciens dieux et les nouveaux protègent la France.
Resistance Data in MM, Volo's, MToF. -- -- Petrocorus's 3.5 Paladin Builds List. -- -- French vs. EnglishOriginally Posted by King Louis XIII in The Musketeers
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Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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Que tous les anciens dieux et les nouveaux protègent la France.
Resistance Data in MM, Volo's, MToF. -- -- Petrocorus's 3.5 Paladin Builds List. -- -- French vs. EnglishOriginally Posted by King Louis XIII in The Musketeers
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Re: OOTS #1220 - The Discussion Thread
I believe pretty much all that can be attributed to half-dragons, however, can be attributed to other templates as well, such as half-fiend.
Half fiends would fit well into the IFCC arc. Half dragons would fit well into the black dragon arc.Attention LotR fans
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Heinlein's best book was The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, and I will defend that statement.
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2020-12-03, 05:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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„On panels no. 2, 3, 4 and 6 there's a wind moving Lien's cloak. It could be caused by wings (cf. the battle of Azure City), and (based on what we saw there) possibly two sets of them, since the wind keeps changing its direction (left-to-right on no. 2 and 4, right-to left on no. 3 and 6[)]”
Not exactly. We are yet to see so much as a single celestial or fiend with speech bubbles that fit this pattern, which would make half-fiend and half-celestial less likely than half-dragon.
They arguably fit everything we know about the Voices. Other possible explanations are more problematic. Subsequently, while I agree that we don't have binding evidence one way or the other, arguments for the Voices being (half-)dragons are at least somewhat stronger than arguments for them being something else.