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OOTS #1232 - The Discussion Thread
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2021-04-22, 08:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Woo, new comic!
Although, in 999, it seemed you called the god of monsters Fenrir rather than Fenris. I assume theyre intended to be the same?“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2021-04-22, 08:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-04-22, 08:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-04-22, 08:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Huh, I never interrogated how much I took the Goblin version of events at face value. It's nice to see another perspective on the thing. Not to mention a divine mea culpa.
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2021-04-22, 08:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-04-22, 08:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1232 - The Discussion Thread
Judging from how that discussion went, I think Durkon might need to bring along a couple of Ibram X. Kendi books the next time he Communes...
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2021-04-22, 08:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1232 - The Discussion Thread
That last line was hysterical :D
Interesting, I didn't expect Durkon to get a confirmation of the story so quickly.
I wonder what his next move will be. Honestly I expected some third party to be a mediator.
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2021-04-22, 08:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1232 - The Discussion Thread
A shout-out from Thor, yeah Minrah!
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2021-04-22, 08:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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What does it mean that he made the green ones medium? Are they supposed to be larger than other goblins now, because they look the same size?
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2021-04-22, 08:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1232 - The Discussion Thread
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2021-04-22, 08:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-04-22, 08:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-04-22, 08:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-04-22, 08:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1232 - The Discussion Thread
So Fenris made the goblins, but they don't worship him any longer? Does Fenris have any opinions on this? Does it make him weaker?
Also, why do the goblins live outside the Northern Pantheon's demesne if a NP god created them?
Anyway, the natural order of things is the stronger eating the weaker, and the entire OOTS universe is built upon that principle. Even vegans are preying upon defenseless plants, and so on. If the entire principle is unavoidable, then the lot of the goblins is more Fenris' design fault than it is of the good gods or the "good" races. I doubt very much Redcloak will buy that argument.
So - what can Durkon say to Redcloak that is persuasive based upon this conversation with Thor? Not much.
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2021-04-22, 08:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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"They couldn't know that the points from the mainline to the siding were frozen, and the signal should have been set at 'DANGER', but snow had forced it down."
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2021-04-22, 08:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Very much enjoyed the meta humour here.
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2021-04-22, 08:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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This ... is my signature finishing move!
"It's never good when you make a fiend cringe" - MadGrady
According to some online quiz, I'm a 6th level TN Wizard. They didn't give me full XP for all the monsters I've defeated while daydreaming.
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I am a Ranger Archetype: Gleaming Warden (thx to Ninja Prawn)
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2021-04-22, 08:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Huh, who could have guessed that the Dark Ones interpretation of event as presented to Redcloak was inaccurate...
Sarcasm aside this goes way past that, to the point I now have to wonder if the Dark One knows how wrong he is or if this is just him manipulating his clergy.Thanks to Linklele for my new avatar!
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Holy social commentary (pun intended) I had not expect Durkon to be the one complaining about an injust system, our bearded boy has grown so much.
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2021-04-22, 08:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Very surprised that Redcloak is not essentially right on this. On the other hand, when the Dark One was raised the other gods attempted to convince him that everything was actually fair, and their arguments weren't very convincing. It's possible that Thor is kinda doing the same here, but the vibe I get from this comic is that Thor is being both truthful and accurate.
I dunno, I just think the less right Redcloak is about the goblinoid question, the less of a compelling villain he is. And I'm not sure that's for the best. But still, let's see how this goes - I doubt we've heard the last on this topic.Last edited by hroşila; 2021-04-22 at 08:33 AM.
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2021-04-22, 08:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1232 - The Discussion Thread
In D&D goblins are generally Small, but Redcloak and the other goblins are taller than Durkon, even though Dwarves are generally Medium sized. This panel was poking fun at the fact that the strip doesn't quite follow D&D rules. Or at least not the more well known versions.
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A question I have is regarding the creation of goblins, the "turn order," and what we know about the Quiddities. If only one god (Fenris) is responsible for creating the goblins, are they one-color beings? Or is the process of "taking turns" more complicated than that, and Fenris got to design and make the model of goblins but the other gods had to put power into them to make them "real"?Spoiler: Check Out my Writing!
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2021-04-22, 08:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-04-22, 08:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2021-04-22, 08:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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No, it means a god created them, which we already knew even though we didn't know it was Fenriʀ. It doesn't mean the goblinoids ever worshipped him.
And yes obviously the solution to the Fenrir/Fenris problem is to write it as "Fenriʀ", with a kind of retroflex z transitioning into r.Last edited by hroşila; 2021-04-22 at 08:37 AM.
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2021-04-22, 08:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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"They couldn't know that the points from the mainline to the siding were frozen, and the signal should have been set at 'DANGER', but snow had forced it down."
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2021-04-22, 08:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Those are the 5e size categories. 3.5 has more, as you might expect - 9.
[EDIT]: On the quiddities - I think gods have quiddity, mortals do not. The world has 3 quiddities because there are only 3 pantheons left. But dwarves are not yellow quiddity because Thor made them, any more than the goblins are yellow because Fenri made themLast edited by Shining Wrath; 2021-04-22 at 08:40 AM.
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2021-04-22, 08:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1232 - The Discussion Thread
I don't think Thor being truthful about the gods' motives/methods makes Redcloak wrong in any way that really matters. Whether or not they specifically created goblinoids as fodder races, the pantheons still made a universe whose fundamental laws provide material incentives for sapient beings to kill each other, and didn't see structural inequities as a problem worth balancing for. Somebody was almost assuredly going to get the short end of that stick, and whoever it was would have a valid grievance against the gods who set it up so that would happen, even if they left the exact outcome up to chance.
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2021-04-22, 08:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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I can see this. It's still true that the goblins were thrown into a disadvantageous position by the twin factors of being created with access to fewer resources and then not receiving the same guidance and help as the other races of their intelligence level.
And it's true that Goblins were created explicitly as monsters, as Fenris is the god of monsters. And as part of the mechanics of this world, monsters do exist for heroes to kill and gain xp. That's accurate.
It's also true that at least some of the gods hate goblins. Don't have the strip number memorized, but one of Thor's illustrative flashbacks has a god dismissively calling the Dark One "that goblin" in a context suggesting that him being a goblin makes negotiating with him beneath that god's dignity.
Redcloak believes
- The goblins were created as monsters
- Monsters exist as xp farms for the "heroes"
- The gods have a bias against goblins
- All of these are contributing factors to the goblins' state as less fortunate in general than other humanoids.
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2021-04-22, 08:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Update!
Ooooh, very interesting. I don't have much to say, but I'm excited for what's going to come next. Very intriguing.Shh! I'm hiding.