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2021-06-15, 03:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1236 - The Discussion Thread
'Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! “The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!" And all those who heard his great voice echo in the hills answered, crying:'Auta i lómë!" The night is passing!"
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2021-06-15, 04:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hmm...
I wonder if she'd even listen to "the gods are going to destroy the world themselves if things don't work out". I think Durkon would be more likely to start off with it since Redcloak didn't listen, but I have doubts about whether Serini will consider that at all.Cool elan Illithid Slayer by linkele.
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2021-06-15, 04:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-15, 05:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1236 - The Discussion Thread
Cool elan Illithid Slayer by linkele.
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2021-06-15, 05:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1236 - The Discussion Thread
This is how Serini sees the current situation - if she is correct then The Order has exactly one method of keeping Gates out of Xykon's hands and she disagreed when the paladins decided to use that method and she presumedly disagreed with Roy's assessment of Dorukan's gate's destruction and with Roy's decision at Girard's gate.
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2021-06-15, 05:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-15, 06:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1236 - The Discussion Thread
i just noticed, someone brought up kraagor earlier, but we do not actually see kraagor die, nor see his body. has there been any discussion as to whether he is just lost and presumed dead?
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2021-06-15, 06:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Girard, who was there, says he died. We don't know how exactly as he was seemignly killed by the Rift-sealing spell rather than the Snarl. Maybe they actually saw him be crushed to bits as reality rearranged itself around him or maybe he was sucked inside the Rift with the Snarl he was apparently fighting at the time (and so is unlikely to let him be).
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2021-06-15, 06:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1236 - The Discussion Thread
I can't help but notice that Vaarsuvius isn't talking or shown running after Elan in the last 6 panels. Nor is V casting Dispell Magic, Break enchantment, True Seeing, See Invisibility, or anything else that seems appropriate here. (Neither is Durkon, but he never has the right spells after all). Just a coincidence, or did the IFCC just call in another marker?
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2021-06-15, 06:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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No we haven't, since the author said the point of that project was to reassure the readers that no matter how dark the story got, it would all turn out OK in the end.
Also the little, almost inconsequential fact that, as that was comic #887 and we are currently on #1236, that was not an ending, happy or otherwise.Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2021-06-15, 07:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Why do you think that Serini is so sad? Why do you think Girard is so angry at Soon?
I have offered a hope that Kraagor was taken to the world in the snarl, and is sipping ice cold daquaris on a beach, but it is not helpful that Laurin detected no fish when she psi'd through the portal ... so I'm not sure what he'd eat.
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2021-06-15, 07:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-15, 07:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1236 - The Discussion Thread
Bubs: "My chocolates! Come back, chocolates! I didn't mean what I said!"
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2021-06-15, 08:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-15, 09:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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If that was going to happen, I'm pretty sure we would see it on panel, in a properly dramatic setup. It's too important an event for being handled off-panel.
It's more likely that Elan was on-panel, so the action centers around him. Other characters appear as soon as they have something to add to the action.
It is suspicious that Minra appears in the last panel and V does not. It could be merely to sign that the whole Order is on the move. Or it could happen that V has been deliberately left off-panel, and V's part of the action is the first thing we'll see in the next strip, being something that doesn't fit in the background of a single panel.
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2021-06-15, 09:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1236 - The Discussion Thread
No one caught the Homestar Runner reference?
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I'd just like to point out that saying that something unsupported is the case unless someone else can prove that it is not is an utter failure of logic. - Kish
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2021-06-15, 10:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Seems really premature to blow on this. They only have two of those left, and the party's not even close to finding the real gate as far as we know, so it doesn't help them ensure this gate's destruction, which seems to be where they're going with all this.
And I should say that I expect their use of the second long debt to invert the previous situation, by having the three directors (or at least one of them) come to the prime material for the duration of the timeshare, since all they specified about how collection works is that their soul spends time with the directors, which isn't necessarily on their home turf. Combine that with them saying they can only be on the Prime Material to make a deal, and, well, that loophole demands exploitation. So that's gonna be their big surprise gambit there, not repeating what they did before.Last edited by TRH; 2021-06-15 at 10:43 AM.
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2021-06-15, 10:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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It would never have occurred to me for someone to use that expression and not make a hand gesture.
I mean extends dominate hand, I guess it's an established enough expression that people will understand it sans gesture, but on the other hand extends off hand, it's not hard to vaguely wave your hands about.
Well, he did die by backstory. That, combined with Rich's seeming dislike for diminishing the impact of mortality makes me think he's really dead.
No, but I think we should assume she scanned a typical section of the planet.The thing is the Azurites don't use a single color; they use a single hue. The use light blue, dark blue, black, white, glossy blue, off-white with a bluish tint. They sky's the limit, as long as it's blue.
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2021-06-15, 10:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1236 - The Discussion Thread
That assumes a typical section of the planet has the Snarl in it. It's not clear how big it is supposed to be, but if it's about the size of non-shrinked Thor, it's entirely possible that Laurin didn't detect anything because all the fish in the area GTFO of there when they realized the Snarl was coming their way.
It's the same logic as why the apparition of the monster in horror stories is often heralded by the complete abscence of the expected wildlife of the area.Forum Wisdom
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2021-06-15, 11:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-15, 11:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1236 - The Discussion Thread
Do we have any idea of what minimum level of consciousness she'd be able to detect? That is, I'd expect some level of awareness and cognitive ability to be required in order to be smart enough to clear out, because the Snarl was on its way. Is that threshold below what Laurin can detect? In a horror story, I'd expect the wildlife to be hiding rather than actually departing.
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2021-06-15, 11:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1236 - The Discussion Thread
If she used hypercognition she could just know the correct answer based on very little information.
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2021-06-15, 11:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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If the Snarl is as aggressive as we've been lead to believe it'd be the single greatest evolutionary pressure on that planet. In other words, everything not very good at avoiding it died without progeny centuries ago.
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2021-06-15, 11:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-15, 11:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Sure, but we're talking ecosystem. Large mobile critters feed on smaller, less-mobile critters, and so on down to tiny critters that eat single-celled plants. There's a cutoff point of critters simply not being mobile enough to get out of the way of the Snarl. And generally, brain size and cognitive ability also decrease as one goes down that chain. Where's the cutoff point of "aware enough for Laurin to detect" relative to the cutoff point of "aware enough and mobile enough to leave the area that the Snarl is approaching"?
I'll grant that ecosystems often don't make a lot of sense in D&D worlds. Some of those monsters don't plausibly have access to enough prey (or other specialized food) to survive on. To quote Sam Gamgee, "What do they live on when they can't get hobbit?"
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2021-06-15, 12:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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I get that Serini is clever, but bleh, it's not fun that mind control is the convenient plot device once again.
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2021-06-15, 12:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hmm, the Snarl's tentacle/energy thing is a little bit Lovecraftian (and fishy/squiddy)if you really stretch it (tentacles being one of Lovecraft's obsessions).
A more articulate thought than I put into my post. I like it. Thank you. Yeah, mind control of PCs - use sparingly or the players get really annoyed.Spoiler: DMing anecdoteHad one of my players miss a hold person save so he just stood up and said "I'll go take a smoke break, someone come and get me when I'm able to play again" and off he went. (THis was back when a lot of us smoked cigarettes casually during social occasions ... but he also smoked other stuff when he had it )Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2021-06-15 at 12:42 PM.
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2021-06-15, 12:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-15, 12:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1236 - The Discussion Thread
Indeed, unless it has a range of several miles, once you're 20 miles off the coastal shelf there's almost no life at the surface of our ocean. Hers could be the same. That said, it doesn't seem like the snarl is known for leaving things alive. There's really just not enough data to make any reasonable predictions about what's going on yet that I can tell.