Upick 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Metastachydium]

In games like this, in which everyone has a power, it's quite normal to have multiple roles of the same or similar type.

I don't know. Maybe, maybe not

I don't really get this point,

Someone (Rogan, I think) said that your role text mentioning the killer and the survivor as advertised lends you some credibility. I don't think it does.

but in that case, if I target the Survivor with whatever harmful power, I wouldn't target town with it, so good for town I guess.

Interesting thought. Put out a more detailed case for gac and I'll see what I can do for you, but I remain suspicious (your stance late last day was awfully neutral!).

[gac3]

It's proof AV is AV and not some kind of doppelgänger. She usually does this day 1, but it is fitting now as well.

Interestingly enough, I was going to start accusing Xi of not being Xi for not doing their normal "kill me then". I had absolutely convinced myself of it when suddenly Xi dropped dead.

[Captain Cap]

Someone (Rogan, I think) said that your role text mentioning the killer and the survivor as advertised lends you some credibility. I don't think it does.

That's fair.

[gac3]

Not wanting to quote Cap's really long message about me. But did want to weigh in on one point.

I know in hindsight my plan when it came to voting for snow looks bad but I did explain it in the moment. I wanted to see what would happen. My vote changed nothing and if somebody suddenly switched then it might tell us something once they were tied. Only one more vote happened and that was Book one Cape. So unless snow is also a wolf, Book is probably cleared.

[Rogan]

Rogan wants ideas more then self defense, no worries. I'm still sus on Captain Cap - his behavior with day one votes was causing my senses to tingle. His confirmation on maths and analytics prove to me, enough, that he's not novice to the game. So I'm sticking with him.


Lots of talk in signatures. Anyone paying attention? Close attention?


Others I've missed I'll get back to eventually.

Oh, and I'm not sure how the lie detector thing works, but I'm town. And I'd be happy to state that in a stand alone post to make it easier (might be that it doesn't work when you use the words town/wolf in the same post?)

An also, blockers and I should talk. I'd hate for you to trip over me. Would be a bad night if ya did.

That's not a strong case, but I can agree to it. We have some good players here, so it's not like we should expect some serious blunder.

Did you add the SPOILER to your sig? I vaguely remember it looking different.

I would like to hear you opinion about gac, as he is the target Captain Cap suggests.

No need to make another post. I could use this to check you.

The blocker comment is... not optimal. Cap comes out and suggest to use his role block on someone suspicious and you immediately say blocking you would be a bad idea.
Can you give us something more to judge this statement?

Absolutely I did. Well sort of. My power doesn't work on the exact day night cycle.

This feels off. Day mechanics seem to be public. And a mech that works in the middle of the night would be very strange.
I can understand if you don't want to say to much, but is there something you can say to expand your claim?
(A strange mech does not need to mean Wolf)

You mention weak attacks and a general lack of in-depth opinions. I think it's pretty in line with my argument that he hasn't said very much, at least from a content point of view, despite the number of posts. His analysis seems mostly superficial.

What do you think about his (gac3) defense on AV?
Or AV in general?

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Vote Count
Captain Cap (5): Rogan, Metastachydium, Batcathat, Moonfly, Supagoof
Fext (2): Gac3, Elenna
Supagoof (2): Taffimai, Snowblaze
AvatarVecna (1): AvatarVecna
Gac3 (1): Captain Cap

Please double check this

[Captain Cap]

Interesting thought. Put out a more detailed case for gac and I'll see what I can do for you, but I remain suspicious (your stance late last day was awfully neutral!).

The point is that there really isn't much to talk about: if you look at gac3 posts, for Day 1 he mostly focuses on first votes comments, notoriously not very indicative given there's not much to base vote on. Then he seems to ignore the Cao vs Snowblaze situation, with only one relevant post, this one:

What are the tie rules?

I think it's the first person to reach that vote. So if the count is accurate, Snowblaze.

A vote put there allegedly because he just wanted to see "what would happen", no in-depth reasons (if my stance was awfully neutral, his was non-existent).

During the night there's not much either, barely more than 2 purple names given according to its "instinct".
Then today we have some obvious considerations, questions and comments that don't really lead anywhere, some general discussion about roles and abilities, lot of posts of couple of sentences that brings very little to the table, and also another vote with no much reason behind it:

Let's start voting instead of just being all "talk about the night kill".

So I'll start a vote. I don't have any major suspects yet. So Fext because I find it weird they didn't vote at all yesterday.

This has been basically all of his activity.

[gac3]

This feels off. Day mechanics seem to be public. And a mech that works in the middle of the night would be very strange.
I can understand if you don't want to say to much, but is there something you can say to expand your claim?
(A strange mech does not need to mean Wolf)

Would you believe me if I told you that everyone knowing my power by default makes it less effective? If you don't, it's still absolutely true. If I'm the likely lynch, I'll probably end up having to spill things, but I'm trying to make the most of it before I do.

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I resent the ignoring of my attempts to make theories and get conversation started.

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That last comment was about captain Cap.... Other than leaving those two details out, I can't say I disagree.

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Also Cap, are you thinking I am a wolf or just not helpful and should die?

[Rogan]

I'm developing an inferiority complex with my pathetic power.

Would you believe me if I told you that everyone knowing my power by default makes it less effective? If you don't, it's still absolutely true. If I'm the likely lynch, I'll probably end up having to spill things, but I'm trying to make the most of it before I do.

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I resent the ignoring of my attempts to make theories and get conversation started.

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That last comment was about captain Cap.... Other than leaving those two details out, I can't say I disagree.

A pathetic power, not following the day/ night cycle that gets even weaker by everyone knowing? I have absolutely no idea what you mean. But okay, I am going to accept your answer for now.

What do you think about the plan the Capitan proposed and the power he claimed? What do you think would happen if he used his power on you? (If you can answer this without weakening your power)

[Captain Cap]

What do you think about his (gac3) defense on AV?

I frankly missed that, so I guess gac3 actually put an effort to get some discussion going. I apologise, my criticism to him seems to be less relevant than I thought, but still he doesn't seem to go much beyond the AvatarVecna and serial killer matter.
About the argument per se, maybe I'm not following it, but from what I understand, Avatarvecna is claiming to be anti-serial killer, but gac3 is questioning why she would have an anti-anti-serial killer power. I'm a bit confused by that part, but I guess the wolf anti-serial killer and AvatarVecna a town anti-Fext in that case wouldn't be too far fetched.

Or AV in general?

I don't think they're a wolf. They could be a Serial Killer. That's it. Honestly, as always, I have a hard time reading them.

[gac3]

A pathetic power, not following the day/ night cycle that gets even weaker by everyone knowing? I have absolutely no idea what you mean. But okay, I am going to accept your answer for now.

What do you think about the plan the Capitan proposed and the power he claimed? What do you think would happen if he used his power on you? (If you can answer this without weakening your power)

This is going to sound like a broken record... But if that power is accurate, you should lynch Fext. Unless Captain Cap has an explanation for what happens to neutrals that aren't the serial killer or survivor. The power mentions everyone else we know exists. The lack of mentioning an anti serial killer means that either for some reason it was skipped or it doesn't exist.

[Captain Cap]

A pathetic power, not following the day/ night cycle that gets even weaker by everyone knowing? I have absolutely no idea what you mean. But okay, I am going to accept your answer for now.

I wouldn't really judge powers by their weirdness, especially in games like this in which the narrator has the opportunity to be particularly creative.

[Fext]

been waiting on Unavenger for forever to answer a question so I'll just ask here

if, hypothetically, I were immune to being nightkilled

would I know if somebody had tried to nightkill me

[Supagoof]

Did you add the SPOILER to your sig? I vaguely remember it looking different.

I moved some things around in my sig, but the spoiler was always there.

I would like to hear you opinion about gac, as he is the target Captain Cap suggests.

As I mentioned in the night phase, I paired them for the Bladescape ask on purple names. 1.) Cause I was curious to see the result. 2.) Capgac! Gaccap! Gapcac! Paccag! sounds likes aliens attacking. Purely amusement in my own head.

Though I am curious as you why you want an opinion of sus (gac3) derived from someone I sus (cap), that you even sus (cap), cause that's pretty sus (rogan).

The blocker comment is... not optimal. Cap comes out and suggest to use his role block on someone suspicious and you immediately say blocking you would be a bad idea.
Can you give us something more to judge this statement?

I protect. Those who target me, would not be protected.

[Rogan]

been waiting on Unavenger for forever to answer a question so I'll just ask here

if, hypothetically, I were immune to being nightkilled

would I know if somebody had tried to nightkill me

Well, AV knew what happened to her, but she is a special case.

There was some discussion about your alignment. Please don't go back to read everything for a moment. Instead talk to us while we are all here.

Did your tools to hunt the killer bring something up?

[Fext]

I need an answer to this question before I can talk about anything else

which is why I've been so silent

[Captain Cap]

There was some discussion about your alignment.

Has Fext ever actually confirmed their alignment?

You know, at this point I'm starting to be fine with a mercy kill, it's like the 5th time I'm going back and forth between these twenty pages.

[Metastachydium]

am I stupid or is bookwombat explicitly claiming non-town too

Emphasis mine.
I don't think anyone other than the Wombat's claimed not to be town, so this might be what you're looking for.

[Fext]

that's correct

[gac3]

I need an answer to this question before I can talk about anything else

which is why I've been so silent

In this hypothetical do you have limited night kill immunity (like a couple times), immunity to a certain type, or immunity to everything?

[Fext]

now can anybody who knows how this works please help answer my question lmao

[Captain Cap]

that's correct

With this you confirm that was your way to claim neutral?

[Fext]

I mean even before that point I had made myself pretty clear

[Captain Cap]

I mean even before that point I had made myself pretty clear

And you're not A survivor.

[Fext]

I am not a Survivor

[gac3]

A pathetic power, not following the day/ night cycle that gets even weaker by everyone knowing? I have absolutely no idea what you mean. But okay, I am going to accept your answer for now.

What do you think about the plan the Capitan proposed and the power he claimed? What do you think would happen if he used his power on you? (If you can answer this without weakening your power)

I originally reacted to the power not the plan. The plan is a bad idea. "Leave me alive and kill me tomorrow" plans only really work in a situation where you have two people and one is definitely a wolf so you lynch one today and one tomorrow. Without a way to clear cap in the meantime, going with the plan would basically be saying "I believe you but want to lose a day killing you anyways."

[Metastachydium]

The point is that there really isn't much to talk about: if you look at gac3 posts, for Day 1 he mostly focuses on first votes comments, notoriously not very indicative given there's not much to base vote on. Then he seems to ignore the Cao vs Snowblaze situation, with only one relevant post, this one:

A vote put there allegedly because he just wanted to see "what would happen", no in-depth reasons (if my stance was awfully neutral, his was non-existent).

During the night there's not much either, barely more than 2 purple names given according to its "instinct".
Then today we have some obvious considerations, questions and comments that don't really lead anywhere, some general discussion about roles and abilities, lot of posts of couple of sentences that brings very little to the table, and also another vote with no much reason behind it:

This has been basically all of his activity.

You'ree misrepresenting it somewhat. Even with a cursory skim, I've found two posts on the Fext/AV conundrum that I like.

[gac3]

now can anybody who knows how this works please help answer my question lmao

The answer is "it depends on what your immunity is". Sometimes yes and sometimes no. I'd need more details.

[Metastachydium]

That said, I'm half ready to switch over to Fext. Non-survivor neutral, would prefer not to be scried, knows about the killer…

[Captain Cap]

I am not a Survivor

Then gac3 has a point: your case is not contemplated at all in my power. It could still be that by targeting you the vote count wouldn't be altered at all, but it's weird that it takes into account every scenario except yours.

[Fext]

The answer is "it depends on what your immunity is". Sometimes yes and sometimes no. I'd need more details.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Also what's a scry and since when do I not want to have it happen