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Thread: 3,000,000 Gp?!
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2010-11-10, 11:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3,000,000 Gp?!
That's only the enhancements. On top of that, you still need the +X enchantments and the actual armour.
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2010-11-10, 11:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-11-10, 11:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-11-10, 12:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3,000,000 Gp?!
You may want to get a +6 on your weapon, due to epic damage reduction.
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2010-11-10, 12:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3,000,000 Gp?!
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2010-11-10, 01:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-11-10, 01:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-11-10, 03:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3,000,000 Gp?!
I once came up with an 80-man flying battleship costing 1.5 million as an exercise using the stronghold builder's handbook. Not having played D&D, I'm sure you folks can come up with something better using magical stuffs. It doesn't answer the OP's question, but its something to put the change into!
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2010-11-10, 04:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3,000,000 Gp?!
Just a quick tip: if your stat isn't odd, why get the +5 over the +4? Then you are just throwing money away. There are exceptions, of course: your primary stat being the main one (after all, as soon as you hit 28 you'll put the +1 into your primary and make it even again).
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2010-11-10, 04:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-11-10, 05:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3,000,000 Gp?!
Get a copy of the Magic Item Compendium. Buy everything you can, in order from the front of the book to the back. If you run out of gold, go kill an ancient wyrm and take its hoarde, then resume wiping the pages clean.
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2010-11-10, 05:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3,000,000 Gp?!
Blueshine or durable will save your armor.
Everbright will save your weapons.
Everything else, no idea.
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2010-11-10, 05:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3,000,000 Gp?!
Just buy a wizard.
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2010-11-10, 07:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3,000,000 Gp?!
On a site note: liberal item purchasing (i.e. MagicMart) campaign situations can help with the near universal 'casters hose noncasters at high levels' sentiment.
If you're in a high magic high wealth urban area where you can buy scrolls and wands after each day's encounters, you can buy your way into most of the same flexibility and options as a wizard or cleric. The cost of more or less 'replicating' the total cost of a spellcasting progression is roughly cubic in level (number of slots is linear, average slot level is linear, caster level is linear, total cost is the sum over the first dimension of the product of the other two), but wealth is exponential.
This is of course highly situational, and dependent on a DM giving you these purchasing options (or figuring out the right spells up front with your starting wealth). OTOH, wizards have to find or purchase new spells for their spellbook (except for the free 2/level) and doing the same for scrolls and wands may not be harder (often the former is done by scrolls. although then the wizard has it 'forever').
But the principle is worth thinking about (especially for people who want to design a campaign to help deal with the supposed supremacy of casters without extensive houseruling).Last edited by ffone; 2010-11-10 at 07:08 PM.
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2010-11-10, 07:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3,000,000 Gp?!
Even better, buy an EPIC wizard (lv 20).
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2010-11-10, 07:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-11-10, 07:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-11-10, 07:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-11-10, 08:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3,000,000 Gp?!
It lets the weapon act as if Epic (definitionally, having a base enhancement value of +6 or better, which is satisfied by +4/+5 base and the +2 for an appropriate Bane) against those particular enemies while avoiding triggering the massive price increase for having an actual Epic item. A +10-equivalent non-Epic weapon costs less than 1/3 of a simple +6 Epic weapon with no special abilities.
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2010-11-10, 08:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3,000,000 Gp?!
Pretty sure that's not how it works. It has to be an actual +6 bonus, not an effective +6.
*edit: Epic magic items. It has to be an actual +6 bonus, or an effect with an effective +6. Adding +2's to the +5 only makes it epic once you pass 200,000 gold, which defeats the purpose of making it cheaper.Last edited by Marnath; 2010-11-10 at 08:14 PM.
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2010-11-10, 08:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3,000,000 Gp?!
You are free to rule as such if the issue should come up in a game you run, of course, but D&D RAW generally makes no such distinction between temporary and permanent bonuses, to the point where when the distinction does matter it is called out directly in the relevant thing (such as the Animal's Buff line of spells not granting bonus spells, even if you manage to make one last long enough to extend through your spell-prep period.)
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2010-11-10, 08:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-11-10, 08:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3,000,000 Gp?!
More directly relevant, the rules on Damage Reduction:
A few very powerful monsters are vulnerable only to epic weapons; that is, magic weapons with at least a +6 enhancement bonus. Such creatures’ natural weapons are also treated as epic weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction. (significant qualifier underlined)
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2010-11-10, 08:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3,000,000 Gp?!
People actually have the right idea about buying a wizard. Lords of Madness has Neogi selling Slaves for (CR squared) x 1000. So you could buy a level 27 wizard for 729000gp. If you really want to slaughter everything, you could use all of your money to buy a level 54 wizard for 2916000gp. And you could still give it a headband of int +6 and some cheap defensive items with your left over money.
Last edited by Tael; 2010-11-10 at 08:24 PM.
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2010-11-10, 08:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3,000,000 Gp?!
What do you guys mean by slotless? I'm not familiar. Unless you mean permancied spell. But that can be dispelled.
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2010-11-10, 08:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3,000,000 Gp?!
That arguement seems pretty weak to me. The bonus may go up to +6 for the bane creature, but that doesn't make it an epic weapon. But I'm not your DM, so whatever.
*edit: also, the passage you quoted does not state either way whether the +6 has to all be real bonus. That falls to the part I quoted which defines what an epic item is.Last edited by Marnath; 2010-11-10 at 08:30 PM.
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2010-11-10, 08:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3,000,000 Gp?!
3 million gp will buy you a ring of infinite wishes.
The custom magic item tables are just so unbalanced when it comes to continuous/unlimited use spells...
EDIT-Or better yet, buy a level 54 cleric slave, have him worship the ideal of your power, and then have him craf a ring of infinite miracles.Last edited by Ilmryn; 2010-11-10 at 08:31 PM.
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2010-11-10, 08:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-11-10, 08:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3,000,000 Gp?!
If this is the campaign I think it is...
1. I am depressed about being unable to enter it because I didn't notice it in time. Sounds awesome.
2. The game, IIRC, is an epic game that's supposed to be played around Tier 3. Yeah. So extreme WBL-mancy (buying level 54 slaves...and by the way, seriously...) is likely frowned upon.Lord Raziere herd I like Blasphemy, so Urpriest Exalted as a Malefactor
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