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2010-12-23, 04:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
So me and a friend where having a conversation regarding war forged and the spell animate dead.
Now animate dead mentions:
"Skeletons
A skeleton can be created only from a mostly intact corpse or skeleton. The corpse must have bones. If a skeleton is made from a corpse, the flesh falls off the bones.
Zombies
A zombie can be created only from a mostly intact corpse. The corpse must be that of a creature with a true anatomy. "
Is there any where that states weather or not a warforged has a skeleton or "true anatomy" I need the RAW rulings as we both have different RAI's about it.When the end comes i shall remember you.
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2010-12-23, 04:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
A funny thing about Warforged - though they can die, they are never actually corpses. RAW, They are either inert (-1 to -9 HP) or destroyed (-10).
Because of this, they remain legal targets for Raise Dead ("Dead creature touched") but not Animate Dead ("One or more corpses touched.")Plague Doctor by Crimmy
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2010-12-23, 04:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
There are, however, undead warforged. I believe they're known as Woeforged.
I believe it's entirely up to the DM's call about whether they have a skeleton, but I haven't read the indepth fluff on warforged anatomy.
I believe if they are susceptible to critical hits or precision damage, then they qualify as having an anatomy, which would be close enough for me to say they had a true one.
Psyren, of course, brings up an interesting bit, but I'm not sure if it's actually specified if a destroyed warforged doesn't count as a corpse or a viable target for such spells.
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2010-12-23, 04:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-12-23, 04:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
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2010-12-23, 04:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
^: So is destroyed a defined term that precludes leaving an intact corpse then? Don't blame me for the pseudo-pun.
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2010-12-23, 04:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
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2010-12-23, 05:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
The Woeforged are mentioned in passing (more as a plot hook than anything) in The Forge of War. They aren't given any stats and the only thing it says is that they are healed by negative energy, hurt by positive energy, and look rusted and pitted. Also, they appear in the Mournland, which kind of means their creation is as mysterious as the creation of the normal warforged.
As far as I can tell, this means that the creation of undead warforged was simply not done. There are no accounts of warforged animation happening as per The Forge of War (more common was warforged going inert and being thought dead on the battlefield, only to be repaired and conscripted to the other side).
Also, the existence of the Woeforged is considered rather shocking. IMO this implies that undead warforged are either extremely uncommon or impossible to make.
However, the RAW reading (destroyed rather than dead) does hint that a warforged corpse is a mass of stone, metal, and wood. Technically not a corpse.
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2010-12-23, 05:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
They could be created using some less common undead. The fluff for raise dead suggests that warforged have a soul if it can work on them. Therefore, they could plausibly become liches.
They could also, I suppose, have any undead template added to them, since I believe they're "living creatures" even if they're technically living constructs.
Of course, a vampire Warforged would be more laughable than scary, no matter how well he did in combat.
Here's my take on it:
Presumably, as constructs, warforged are basically a mass of wood and metal animated by some magical force, an elemental or whatever. I'm assuming this counts as it's "soul" since raise dead works on it. When you think about it, being animated by an elemental isn't significantly different from being animated by negative energy. I'd argue that a "zombie" warforged is just a dumb, slow-moving warforged that's healed by negative instead of positive energy. It's not "undead" it's just animated by something other than what makes it "alive."Last edited by Keinnicht; 2010-12-23 at 06:03 PM.
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2010-12-23, 05:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
Do they even have mouths? (Never paid all that much attention to warforged fluff).
They could probably become most kinds of incorporeal undead. Warforged shadows and ghosts would be neat.Editor and playtester for Legend.
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2010-12-23, 06:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-12-23, 06:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
I'd like to see what the PCs would do when called upon to by a Last War general or his descendants who are being plagued by Warforged shadows or allips, who turn out to be a division he sent into battle as cannon fodder. Especially when his defense is "Well, they're not really people!"
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2010-12-23, 06:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
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2010-12-23, 06:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
Last edited by Claudius Maximus; 2010-12-23 at 06:10 PM.
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2010-12-23, 06:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
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2010-12-23, 06:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
Well, since animate dead wouldn't work, I'd just switch to animate object.
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2010-12-23, 06:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
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2010-12-23, 09:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
I would say these "woeforged" are simply warforged with the Tomb-Tainted Soul feat (1st-level only, switches the effects positive and negative energy have on you). However, since warforged heal only half the normal amount from healing spells (and this would carry over), I'd instead make it a trait. I.e. they don't have to spend a feat on it.
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2010-12-23, 09:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
Although Swordwraith Warforged are probably the most thematic undead for them, at least in Eberron and spawned from the Last War.
Or if you wanted an animated object with all of the thematic deliciousness of undead, Haunt Shift, from Libris Mortis, can do both for ya.
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2010-12-23, 09:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-12-23, 10:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-12-24, 06:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
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2010-12-24, 06:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-12-24, 06:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
I had thought there was a component that gave Warforged a bite attack but i cant find any reference to one.
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2010-12-24, 07:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
I think its called Jaws of Death but I might be thinking of the wrong thing, either way its a feat in Races of Ebberon that gives a bite attack.
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2010-12-24, 08:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Question regarding warforged and undead[3.5]
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2010-12-24, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-12-24, 04:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-12-24, 05:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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