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2019-04-12, 01:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Respectful term for nonbinary people and people of unknown gender?
Just re-introduce thou and be be done with it! There is noting wrong with T-V distinction.
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2019-04-12, 06:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Respectful term for nonbinary people and people of unknown gender?
if i don't have previous aquintance with the person i go with whatever feels more natural. i do this as respectfully as posible.
if they respectfully tell me to adress them otherwise i'll do so. if they are rude doing so i'll call on their rudness and won't adress them untill they change their tone.
i don't play the game of "how did you dare call me?". Nor will i play a guessing game.
There are some standards in society. Being an exception to those standards is a choice and it's up to you to inform that you don't want to play by the social standards; until i am informed of the fact i have to treat you by formal social etticet otherwise i'd consider myself rude towards you.
Furthermore i have bought an english title of Lord for my passport. if someone would have me address them on a weird pronoun i'd have them address me as my formal title of Lord just to have a hillarious conversation. :P
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2019-04-12, 07:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Respectful term for nonbinary people and people of unknown gender?
As harrowing as that anecdote is, it is not representative of the term "dude" and a sample size of exactly one does not inspire my confidence in your study of the correlation between misidentifying someone and sociopathic tendencies.
Only women? Mostly women? Is there a study?"You... little... *****. It's what my old man called me, it's like it was my name, and I proved him right, by killing all the wrong people. [And], I love ya Henry, and I'll never call you anything but your name, but you gotta decide; are you gonna lay there, swallow that blood in your mouth, or are you gonna stand up, spit it out, and go spill theirs?" - Unknown
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2019-04-12, 08:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Respectful term for nonbinary people and people of unknown gender?
There is also nothing necessary about a distinction between singular and plural, anymore than there is a need for words to be gendered. Adverbs and adjectives already can fill that niche when the context might be in doubt.
Put another way: many languages have distinctive version of the first person plural - inclusive and exclusive. So if I say "we've won the lottery", in those languages you can tell if that includes you, the listener, or not. But while it's a neat characteristic, it's hardly essential - English and French both lack it, and it has yet to lead to major issues.
Genderization of language, on the other hand, does lead to issues such as reinforcement of cultural mores. So I find that using "they" as the standard pronoun for everyone would be a much better scenario than status quo, which is why I use it and bring it up every time.
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2019-04-12, 08:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Respectful term for nonbinary people and people of unknown gender?
Maybe I should have taken a page from Pendell’s book and signed that ‘‘tongue-in-cheek’’.
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2019-04-12, 08:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-04-12, 08:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Respectful term for nonbinary people and people of unknown gender?
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2019-04-12, 09:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-04-12, 09:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Respectful term for nonbinary people and people of unknown gender?
All valid concerns. If anyone wants some more discussion of the issues (or perceived issues) with many of the options, I enjoyed this article: https://genderneutralpronoun.wordpre...utral-pronoun/
Regarding the singular they, it's already in use in many cases. This would simply be an expansion of that use.
I actually had this discussion with my mother-in-law a while back. She was concerned that "they" was specifically plural and would result in confusion. For a couple hours after that, I listed to our conversations, and pointed out where she unconsciously used the singular "they" already. After 3 or 4 times, she laughed and admitted that ok, it's already super common. It just might require some care if the context isn't clear (just like "you" does).
Some examples of current use, generally when talking about a theoretical person with no determined gender:
- Somebody left their hat on the hook.
- If this made a person sick, I'd feel bad for them.
- Even one person can make a difference by donating their time to the cause!
(Also, I just learned, singular they dates back to at least the 1300s, and includes such users as Shakespeare and Jane Austen. https://www.dictionary.com/e/they-is...gular-pronoun/ )
Not only, or maybe even mostly, but at a much larger rate than men were, historically. There are, in fact, studies, though I don't have them on hand. I'd suggest reading up on the medical history of the condition known as Hysteria, aka "Women be crazy because they gots a uterus!"
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_hysteria
"With so many possible symptoms, historically hysteria was considered a catchall diagnosis where any unidentifiable ailment could be assigned."
https://www.glamour.com/story/the-hi...-with-hysteria
epilepsy was frequently confused with hysteria
There are other things as well, including the fact that most medical research was done with the male body for a long time, so medical techniques just weren't developed with women in mind. These things have gotten much better in recent years, but still aren't perfect.Last edited by ve4grm; 2019-04-12 at 09:56 AM.
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2019-04-12, 10:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Respectful term for nonbinary people and people of unknown gender?
1) As a resident of the San Francisco bay area "Dude" hella repels me, it's an L.A.-ism and is right out no matter the genders of those addressed!
2) "Folks" instead of "Ladies and gentlemen" works fine.
3) 'Please excuse me ma'am" and "Pardon me sir" are easily substituted with "Please excuse me" and "Pardon me".
So what's the problem again?
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2019-04-12, 10:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Respectful term for nonbinary people and people of unknown gender?
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2019-04-12, 10:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Respectful term for nonbinary people and people of unknown gender?
Isn't there a world like "hey peeps" from "people", not that I think about it?
Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien, 1955
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2019-04-12, 11:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Respectful term for nonbinary people and people of unknown gender?
Anyway, in the interests of actually contributing.
Tā in Chinese, for some reason means both He and She when spoken. Despite the words having distinctive written symbols.
Tā de = His / Her (Of Him/Her, literally translated.)
Tā = He/She
Tāmen = He/she in the plural.
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2019-04-12, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-04-12, 11:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Respectful term for nonbinary people and people of unknown gender?
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2019-04-12, 11:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Respectful term for nonbinary people and people of unknown gender?
Georgian and Armenian also have no gender-specific pronouns-- Armenian has the same pronoun for men and women (and presumably for non-binary people), and Georgian goes even further and has the same pronoun for pretty much any third person reference, whether it's a person of any gender, an animal, or an object.
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2019-04-12, 12:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-04-12, 12:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-04-12, 01:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Respectful term for nonbinary people and people of unknown gender?
Here's an 18th century rant about how singular "you" is destroying the English language.
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2019-04-12, 02:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Respectful term for nonbinary people and people of unknown gender?
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2019-04-12, 03:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Respectful term for nonbinary people and people of unknown gender?
Pahahahahahahahahaha!
I'mma remember that one.
Thanks, Mr Ellwood. Not the memorial you might have wanted, but apparently, as you're been in print since 1714 (so, 18th century, 137ben, yes I am that pedant...), so, hey.
(For the record, I do use "they" in that format if required, now I think about it, which, to be fair, I also forgot to mention in my previous rant, not that anyone was paying attention anyway...)
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2019-04-12, 03:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Respectful term for nonbinary people and people of unknown gender?
Non caerulea sum, Caerulea nomen meum est.
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2019-04-12, 06:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-04-13, 08:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Respectful term for nonbinary people and people of unknown gender?
So, themselves or themself?
Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien, 1955
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2019-04-13, 09:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Respectful term for nonbinary people and people of unknown gender?
I use themself for a singular they. It just makes far more sense and reduces ambiguity, and the only "Drawback" is annoying linguistic prescriptivists (although my spellcheck thinks that "Themself" and indeed "Spellcheck" are words but "Prescriptivists" isn't. Not sure what the moral of that is).
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2019-04-13, 07:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-04-13, 08:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Respectful term for nonbinary people and people of unknown gender?
You want to know what happened, when he began thouing and theeing his father?
"...whenever I had occasion to speak to my father, though I had no hat now to offend him [the author had stopped taking off his hat before his dad], yet my language did as much; fur I durst not say "you" to him, but "thou", or "thee" as the occasion required, and then would he be sure to fall on me with his fists.
At one of these times, I remember, when he had beaten me in that manner, he commanded me, as he commonly did at such times, to go to my chamber, which I did, and he followed me to the bottom of the stairs. Being come thither, he gave me a parting blow, and in a very angry tone said, "Sirrah, if ever I hear you say 'thou' or 'thee' to me again, I'll strike your teeth down your throat." "Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien, 1955
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2019-04-13, 08:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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So if I understand correctly, Dad got offended when the author said "you" but also got offended when addressed as "thou".
Looks like Dad was looking for an excuse to be offended. Another thing I was blaming on the internet."We are the people our parents warned us about!" - J.Buffett
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2019-04-14, 04:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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