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Thread: The Corona Virus
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2020-07-26, 08:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-07-27, 04:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-07-27, 05:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-07-27, 09:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Corona Virus
One thing that you do see cropping up a lot in discussions about the virus is a certain segment saying that it is only a small percentage of people dying from it, as if either you die or you totally recover. That overlooks some various serious conditions that survivors end up with. Saw a post about just how serious those numbers are, based on if everyone in the US caught the virus. (There is no guarantee that it'll end up that bad, but the numbers are sobering.)
https://i.imgur.com/GFyvSGA.jpg?1
For every person that dies, 18 will have permanent heart damage, 10 will have permanent lung damage, 2 will have muscle weakness and 2 will have brain damage. Admittedly some of those will overlap so some will have multiple symptoms, but the damage this thing can do to survivors is pretty bad.
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2020-07-28, 01:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Corona Virus
That ... is monstrously exaggerated - at least if the numbers I heard are anything to go by. I've heard people talk of fears and risk that it will be like the spanish flu, where hundreds of thousands suffered long term effects. But the actual figures were miniscule. Like, one figure I remember is 43. 43 registered cases of long term after effects from the 10.000+ infected in Denmark. Now, that figure is a couple of weeks old.
By way of comparison, btw, 15-20% of SARS patients had reduced lung capacity - but not permanently. By 3-5 years, most had fully recovered.
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2020-07-28, 03:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Corona Virus
A similar thought occurred to me as well. But more along the lines of having a recent, obvious example to point to that at least some people would be able to intuitively understand.
I do want to point out though that the nature of the coronavirus problem is a little different than that hypothetical scenario. To discover, understand and anticipate the problem and discuss potential policy requires digging through statistics and talking about logistical operations. Most people have little to no understanding or experience of those things. So a "hospital administrator describes the situation they are potentially facing" has little means to communicate the problem and justify their explanation to people outside those fields. There's just no way to adequately communicate with a skeptical audience that doesn't share the same language.
Slow moving disasters are just harder in general for non-experts to diagnose and properly address. Which is of course why we tend to have experts around in the first place. They can keep an eye out for all the various holes so we don't have to fall into them. So I suppose I'm saying that the almost-motionless slow zombies are more realistic civilization-annihilators than the warp speed ones.I write a horror blog in my spare time.
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2020-07-28, 04:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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"Magic can turn a frog into a prince. Science can turn a frog into a Ph.D. and you still have the frog you started with." Terry Pratchett
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2020-07-30, 04:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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"None of us likes to be hated, none of us likes to be shunned. A natural result of these conditions is, that we consciously or unconsciously pay more attention to tuning our opinions to our neighbor’s pitch and preserving his approval than we do to examining the opinions searchingly and seeing to it that they are right and sound." - Mark Twain
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2020-07-30, 04:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-07-30, 08:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-07-30, 11:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Corona Virus
Less likely to fall into the obvious holes.
There's still going to be the inevitable hole they can't see because they don't have the information at the time of their analysis.
It comes down to that caveat: "Based off the information we have at this time..."
Kind of like this:
Average person sees a deep pothole and moves to the right to avoid it.
Expert warns average person that the road was weakened on the right and the car will cause it to collapse and get damaged anyway, so go left.
But the expert doesn't know about (and can't see) the nails on the left side of the road that'll puncture the tires...May you get EXACTLY what you wish for.
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2020-08-06, 11:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Corona Virus
This isn't strictly science, but I'll ask here anyway.
I work on the NC State campus, so [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/raleigh/comments/i4t6i9/warning_from_an_nc_state_student_the_pandemic_is/] this link is of especial interest to me
Originally Posted by Reddit
For my part, I've seen campaigns against unprotected sex, binge drinking, and drug use. None of it seems to have any impact on the willfully self-destructive behavior of a portion of the student body. Now it seems COVID-19 will fall into the same bin of something that is both predictable and preventable, but we'll still have trouble because people don't listen.
Any suggestions as to how to get people to actually listen and take the appropriate precautions?
Respectfully,
Brian P."Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid."
-Valery Legasov in Chernobyl
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2020-08-06, 01:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Corona Virus
I think awareness campaigns are only ever helpful to a certain point. Once essentially everyone is aware of something, further awareness efforts don't do a whole lot. At this point, people are probably largely aware of the threat, if not burned out on hearing about it so frequently.
If folks are aware and unwilling to change behavior, well, then you've got to persuade them. And it is just unlikely that you'll ever get absolutely everyone on board. Sometimes it helps to ease the perceived cost. For instance, people may be more willing to wear masks if they provided/readily available.
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2020-08-06, 03:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Corona Virus
In this case, the university is giving them away for free.
ETA: Free Masks in the Raleigh area
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Respectfully,
Brian P.Last edited by pendell; 2020-08-06 at 03:52 PM.
"Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid."
-Valery Legasov in Chernobyl
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2020-08-06, 04:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Corona Virus
Students, always and everywhere, engage in all sorts of self-destructive behaviour. It's just what humans do at that stage in their life - when they're finally free from being policed by their families, but they haven't yet fully absorbed the idea that their actions have consequences.
The trouble is, this particular behaviour is not so much self-destructive as community-destructive. The students themselves probably won't suffer, significantly - it's other people who will. That makes it even harder to sell self-restraint."None of us likes to be hated, none of us likes to be shunned. A natural result of these conditions is, that we consciously or unconsciously pay more attention to tuning our opinions to our neighbor’s pitch and preserving his approval than we do to examining the opinions searchingly and seeing to it that they are right and sound." - Mark Twain
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2020-08-06, 04:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Corona Virus
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2020-08-06, 04:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Corona Virus
Also... They often don't care. Part of being young is not having experienced consequences, no amount of analytical understanding will make it feel real the way having the first few friends die in drunk driving accidents, overdoses and random diseases does.
If numbers worked as a precaution, we wouldn't have:
Frat Parties
Teen Pregnancies
VD/STD/STIs
Drunk Drivers
People not wearing bike helmets
People not wearing seat belts
Etc.
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2020-08-06, 05:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Corona Virus
Not a college student, but I interact with quite a few. The author's very right. Our local uni brought back the student athletes and we had 100 testing positive the middle of the next week. At this point, they've had 38% fail their tests and the kids still won't mask up or quarantine.
Any suggestions as to how to get people to actually listen and take the appropriate precautions?
Respectfully,
Brian P.
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2020-08-07, 03:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-07, 09:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Corona Virus
Up to 200 dollars for a first infraction, over here.
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2020-08-07, 09:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Corona Virus
Up to 500 dollars here. And i live in a college town, so we've been pondering pretty much this exact scenario. The students have had real discipline and good sense problems here in the past, so there was already starting to be a pretty big crackdown on their behavior even before the pandemic.
Only so many football victory induced riots, and hazing induced deaths you can watch before they prove they just cant handle the freedom.“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2020-08-07, 10:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Corona Virus
If that was the case, we'd have cracked down on the house parties after the fifth alcohol poisoning death in a month.
Let's face it. People are dumb. And lazy.
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2020-08-07, 10:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-07, 11:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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At least in this town, we have. It took a while, but we have. We find alcohol at a frat party? Theyre done. Permanently. Doesnt even matter if anybody got hurt this time, we just arent having it anymore. There was a case that made national news for a while that served as the final stimulus for this, and the college authorities are playing hardball now.
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2020-08-07, 11:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Corona Virus
So far the United States has reached a new high of the death tolls with the COVID-19: 160,000!
It's time to get my Magikarp on!
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2020-08-07, 11:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-08, 12:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Corona Virus
That's kind of insane. Was the alcohol ban specific for COVID, or was it an existing rule that just didn't get enforced strictly until now?
Our frat-equivalents owned their own houses off campus and didn't have a national council to answer to, so there was a limit to how much outside rules could be imposed, and even in the dorms, only the freshmen dorms imposed a complete alcohol ban. I can understand the appeal of a complete ban for the sake of safeguarding against bad PR and civil liability. However, from a standpoint of student safety, I think there are more effective ways to discourage binge drinking and other extreme behaviors. Banning all alcohol from campus or from frat parties just means that people are less likely to seek emergency aid if there is illicit drinking, or they take their partying somewhere else where the school has no control at all.
My opinion is, of course, limited to alcohol bans on campus during normal times. I think that some states have been a little too uneven in their treatment of bars vs. restaurants that serve alcohol vs. anyone selling just food, but I think it plausible if someone wants to argue that mixing college students and any alcohol at all would make it nearly impossible to implement effective safety measures.
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2020-08-08, 07:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Corona Virus
About a year before the pandemic started, there was a kid who was pledged to a fraternity, got drunk, fell down some stairs and died. He was underage. There were lawsuits, people were arrested, so the college said "enough is enough" and adopted a no-tolerance policy on alcohol or hazing violations for the greek societies. There have been i think two frats that have been shut down since then for trying to call their bluff, with a couple more under investigation when the pandemic hit and kind of put a hold on everything.
Likekwise, the borough council just formally passed the mask requirement ordinance formally a couple days ago (i was mistaken, it is a $300 fine for a first offense) unanimously and with the support of the president of the college. It also allows the police to break up gatherings of more than 10 people in an indoor space, or 25 outdoors.
No doubt some students will continue to try to call our bluff. At this point, let em pay the fine or go to jail. When we played nice, local property was destroyed and people died.“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2020-08-08, 12:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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