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2019-01-11, 05:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1151 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-01-11, 05:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-11, 05:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1151 - The Discussion Thread
Ogling Haley might be evidence against his attraction being exclusively to small-sized :)
We really do have very little information about what attracts his eye. I'm in the camp it doesn't matter much anyway except maybe as a tie-breaker for marriage partner ranking anyway, compared to all those other Lawful and perhaps Thor Religious considerations that would carry weight.
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2019-01-11, 05:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Really? I was surprised to learn there are other forms.
Then again I know english speakers quote "Et tu, Brute" rather than "Tu quoque, mi fili", so maybe we should remember the words of a wise man
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2019-01-11, 05:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1151 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-01-11, 05:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-11, 05:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1151 - The Discussion Thread
It really comes down to who gets to set up their kind of fight.
In a confined area where Haley can't use her mobility from boots or her flying wand, and where Haley doesn't bluff Belkar into a suprise+full attack sneak-attack-fest, Belkar wins.
Otherwise Haley wins, because she can do damage to him from out of reach, and he has no way to retaliate or heal, or because she kills him before he can react.
On balance, because Haley has much stronger social skills, (see walking Crystal right into a deathtrap after a full fledged fight) the odds that Haley could set up a situation to her avantage seems stronger than Belkar setting up a situation that favors him. Barring a random homicidal attack in a confined space that came out of nowhere, perhaps because of remote mind control (as with Nale back in the day).
This is the basic "thief class vs fighter class" rock-paper-scissors thing. Which is why Belkar did so well against the thieves (and Roy back vs the bandits at close range when they didn't surprise him). In a straight up fight, the d10-hit-die-full-bab, all-I-do-is-hit-things class is going to beat the d6-2/3 bab-skill oriented+sneak attack class every time, unless the latter gets suprise+massive numbers of sneak attacks or can set up a hit-and-run situation or gets an air-barrier (flying archer vs melee)
If Belkar was an archer-style ranger who actually kept up with his spot/listen skills, he'd beat Haley every time. But as a melee-type with low wisdom and thus low spot/listen/sense motive in spite of it being a class skill....she can set up situations where she reliably wins.Last edited by Seward; 2019-01-11 at 05:19 PM.
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2019-01-11, 05:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-11, 05:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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I know little of Old English. Any particularly interesting facts you'd like to share?
(Also, I learned the actual name for the T-V distinction today! Is the etymology tu-vous in french?)
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2019-01-11, 05:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1151 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-01-11, 05:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Pretty sure people speculate on the sexuality of others for innocuous reasons in real life all the time, say when they’re trying to get a date and want to know if their crush is compatible. Also, a couple of people whining about minority characters is in no way equivalent to someone treating a real person different.
With regards to that, I wouldn’t assume that the author is writing with the assumption that the readers are all mentally deficient, bigots, and/or small children who need to be taught social basics, and that implications that a character is straight without explicit confirmation can be taken at face value.
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2019-01-11, 05:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-11, 06:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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What implications? There is a scene that can be used as evidence that a character is straight, but nothing in the comic is meant to imply that. Those are two very different things; to say that something in a work implies something else is to assert either intent or a level of certainty, neither of which can reasonably said to be present, especially when the source of this supposed implication is in DCF.
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2019-01-11, 06:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don’t find “he’s not implied to be straight if you ignore all the times he expresses interest in women and disinterest in men” convincing tbh, and I’m mostly confused why people seem to be indignant about others not ignoring the implications of those scenes
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2019-01-11, 06:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Probably because, unless Elan is pluralized, there are no scenes where he expresses disinterest in men.
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2019-01-11, 06:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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You can call it a variation on a theme, or a colorful usage. It for sure is not literal usage.
As I explained, "betting the under" indicates "not likely" and "betting the over" indicates "likely" ... in this usage (idiomatic?)
It has bloody fork all to do with gambling in that context.
Other colorful phrases you may be familiar with:
Putting something in the oven, and then "nuking it."
No actual nuclear reactions are in play.
Being so mad at someone than one exclaims "I'm gonna kill 'em."
No actual intent for homicide exists.
FWIW: It is quite possible that this bit of slang is unique to some parts of Texas ... it is certainly where I picked it up.Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2019-01-11 at 06:48 PM.
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2019-01-11, 07:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Are people unfamiliar with the game “sex marry kill?” It is a juvenile game in which 3 random people are chosen by another, and regardless, you have to choose which one you would do each of those things to. It doesn’t mean anything, it’s a just a silly game (that I have never played, but observed several youngins on my block play) that people play for fun. Based on Belkar’s reaction to Durkon, which was not “I now question your sexual preference,” but actually “heh,” I would heir on the side of “meant to be an offhand joke.”
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2019-01-11, 07:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-11, 07:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1151 - The Discussion Thread
I imagine they took it from tu-vous, yes, although according to Wikipedia it was taken directly from Latin tu-vos. Which is funny.
As for Old English, gawd, I'm not sure where to start, but lately I've thought a lot about how Modern English is relatively atypical in that it has a set of standardized contractions that have not only their own pronunciation but also their own spelling, and they're pretty distinct from the full forms, so there's typically a contrast in formality or emphasis: has not vs hasn't, was vs wasn't, is not vs isn't, would not vs wouldn't, you are vs you're, etc. The funny thing is that all those contractions are modern, but Old English had its own set of contractions, none of which survived into Modern English: ne hæbbe vs næbbe, ne wæs vs næs, ne is vs nis, ne wolde vs nolde, ne wat vs nat, ne ah vs nah, ne ic vs nic, etc. Although obviously we don't know so much about the exact nuances of using these contractions as opposed to the full forms.
So English has been relatively atypical in this particular way twice during its history, which is kinda cool.
(There's also many words that were contractions from a diachronic point of view but which shouldn't be considered contractions anymore from a synchronic point of view, like nawğer~nağor < na hwæğer, nealles < ne ealles, nawiht~noht < na wiht, nænig < ne ænig, etc.)
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2019-01-11, 07:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cool. Taking the name from tu-vos makes no sense though. (vos is plural, tu is singular, but you probably knew that.)
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2019-01-11, 07:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1151 - The Discussion Thread
This ranks up there in my most favorite OotS comics. I spent several minutes chuckling while guessing the three most likely candidates that beat out Belkar and why. Thanks Rich for making me work: lol. Also love the (possible) commentary on our nation's punitive system
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2019-01-11, 07:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-01-11, 08:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1151 - The Discussion Thread
He also looked appalled at Roy's nudity after Roy was raised, so that is the second instance.
The fact he's been shown multiple times to be interested in women is relevant because it contrasts with his lack of interest in (or clear aversion to) men.
I understand some people want representation of non-hetero characters, which is fine. But that doesn't mean every character has to be interpreted that way.Last edited by Liquor Box; 2019-01-11 at 08:19 PM.
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2019-01-11, 10:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1151 - The Discussion Thread
I forgot about that Roy scene, but if you actually look at the page, Haley has the same reaction as Durkon, so I take that your interpretation with a grain of salt. (And don't say that Haley's reaction is because she's already in a relationship, we're both probably smart enough to know that's not how sexuality works.)