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2020-06-04, 12:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Can anyone give me a good and thorough (and true ) description of how the Unique Views are handled in QuickTopic?
So in closing, I have no idea how it works. If it looks ridiculous, it very well might be. But if it's only off by a few... I would be more suspicious
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2020-06-04, 12:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-06-04, 01:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Just outta curiosity, is that the game where I was a PoS neutral betraying everybody? Because while it's been forever and I can't recall the details (nor did I save the QT), I'm like 80% sure I shared most every QT I made that game with at least two other people, and lied my butt off ahenever asked about it
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2020-06-04, 01:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes it was. You messaged me at one point: something along the lines of "I think blah blah blah is a wolf because of unique views!" And after I had unique views explained to me, I checked my thread with unavenger and realized it had like 10 unique views. I have since used that as evidence that the unique views are unreliable.... After somebody else's comment though, I realized I might be able to explain it... It looks like I didn't create an account until a bit into the game... So... Maybe trust the unique views and I've been deceiving myself
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2020-06-04, 01:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thanks for the answers.
I reckon my thoughts were hogwash, then. I had an idea about someone as probably being one the Cop duo or being a wolf based on it, but seems likely to be just their tech setup. I'd mention their name, but I'm getting a Town vibe from them, so I don't want my minor suspicion (now nullified) to make anyone else go against them.
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2020-06-04, 01:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Part I
Apogee – I’m overall ok with him. I do worry that what he’s said so far is too easy for a scum to do. Possibly pushed the theory that JWL is a wolf (and the wolves were pushing Athos’s wagon) a little too hard. Null read that will change a lot based on whether the wagons were town-town or not.
AV
Spoiler: Spoilered for lengthFOSes gac for looking like he's trying to avoid providing us with analyzable material. Does not FOS rogue for looking like he's trying to avoid providing us with analyzable material. In fact, AV provides him with an excuse for his pretty questionable response to me by "explaining" my argument.
AV appears to be protecting rogue
Curious move at the last minute to Lord Athos. Then criticizes Athos for not claiming until immediately before EOD, despite Athos not being the lynch target until immediately before EOD. Trying to shift blame for the mislynch away from himself is not a good look for AV here.
Any reason for that assumption? Also the "haha, oops, my bad guys!" is bad tonally.
You need to provide your own list if you're asking this. He has been giving some thoughts, though the switch to Lord Athos shows they are mutable.
There is definitely some sketchy stuff in here...
The following people are trying to fly under the radar:
- bc56
- Bunny
- Caoimhin
Elenna is worth believing for the moment. Though if the claim is fake, the real spirit has no motivation to counter, so she should not be considered cleared.
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2020-06-04, 01:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-06-04, 02:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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IIRC a lot of the chats AV created in HP WW were 1-2 views higher than expected even assuming everyone but me who had access was looking at them with two devices. (I know I only looked at them on my PC).
I think a real spirit would be better off counter-claiming now rather than waiting until they're pressured for a claim (which would almost certainly happen at some point given that this is an all-power-role game). Not that it matters, since I'm telling the truth.I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2020-06-04, 02:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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You're tunneling a newer player on the grounds that a new wolf would publicly state that they're just not gonna contribute. Yeah it's a bad look, but it's an absurdly bad move regardless of team, and you're taking it as proof positive that you've caught a wolf D1. Calling a spade a spade isn't me protecting a scumbuddy. I'm not like you: I'd throw a fellow wolf directly under the bus myself if it got me enough towniecred. Why jeapardize myself when somebody's already seriously calling them out on it? Easier to lay low.
Or hey, lynch me and find out. You won't. No balls.
Curious move at the last minute to Lord Athos. Then criticizes Athos for not claiming until immediately before EOD, despite Athos not being the lynch target until immediately before EOD. Trying to shift blame for the mislynch away from himself is not a good look for AV here.
Any reason for that assumption? Also the "haha, oops, my bad guys!" is bad tonally.
You need to provide your own list if you're asking this. He has been giving some thoughts, though the switch to Lord Athos shows they are mutable.
Or alternatively, we can use your approach, in which case I guess it's a good thing thing Lord Athos kept quiet until seconds before he died and never shared any meaningful analysis with anybody?
And good golly gosh, mutable thoughts on D1, somebody lynch me. Mind you, I'll have to get in line behind you, since I'm pretty sure I was the second person to tour all three main wagons.
I think I'm gonna hold off on my more serious analysis until the new day has started and it can't help aim the nightkill. I suggest you do the same.
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2020-06-04, 02:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well Athos is confirmed villager so it's not like I had much reason to protect him if I were scum.
Yeah I still think JWL and maybe a few of the people on the Athos wagon are a little suspect, but I'll also admit part of the reason I pushed that hard was to get some conversation going. Figured a little D1 back and forth would be more useful both then and going forward for figuring out alignments.
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2020-06-04, 02:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Someone PMed me a nuance to the QuickTopic question. I'll respect their privacy by not mentioning who sent this.
Originally Posted by something REDACTED PMed me
Thanks, REDACTED, for the info.
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2020-06-04, 07:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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A very interesting response from AV.
Spoiler: Long PostI voted for him. I'm not tunneling him. I never "[took] it as proof positive that [I]'ve caught a wolf D1." Overblown and overexaggerated claims are curious.
Originally Posted by AvatarVecna
Trying to provoke an emotional reaction out of me won't work...sorry
Originally Posted by AV
Spoiler: You're hilariously wrongBy my count…
Athos reaches two votes (taking the lead) 5:40 after the beginning of Day One.
Athos remains the leading wagon until Apogee switches to JWL, putting her in the lead, 13:50 after that.
The voting is tied again by JeenLeen (with JWL still the set to be lynched) 24:40 after that.
Athos is returned to leading by AV 15:50 after that.
EOD is two minutes later.
Athos was the leading wagon for a total of less than fourteen hours, with all but two minutes in the first half of the day. He was tied, but not going to be lynched, for a little less than 16 hours. The two of those together are very nearly half the day, not close to "90%." I would not expect him to claim when he was leading early on: there was far too much time left in the day. I also would not expect him to claim when he was tied but not going to be killed. By the time he was in actual danger, it was too late to do anything.
Why are you blatantly lying?
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Should I just take it as a compliment that you are worried about the wolves seeing my analysis, but not rogue's? Or should I "keep quiet until seconds before [I] die and never share any meaningful analysis with anybody"? You seem very eager to get analysis from people, even after EOD, right up until I call you out for not giving any of your own.
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2020-06-04, 07:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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This is a deliberately misleading trash post from a trash person. I'll engage with it properly in the morning, like you should have.
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2020-06-04, 07:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-06-04, 08:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-06-04, 08:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-06-04, 08:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-06-04, 10:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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All in all, though, this banter back and forth is making Aventine look more Town to me. It seems risky for a wolf to draw this much attention and debate.
It doesn't impact my read on AV, since AV often tries to drive discussion by being hard to read and aggressive. And last time she got into an argument like this, it was her as Town against another Townie.
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2020-06-05, 07:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Aventine Pretends to Look Townie: Part II
seriously guys, pretending this hard is tiring, I couldn't do any more yesterday. I also needed to check some stuff with my scum-buddies in QT. You know how it is. Oh, and I lied about the unique views stuff, you can avoid incrementing the view-count if you know the super-secret handshake.
gac3
Spoiler: spoilered for lengthSo gac has an rng vote, an OMGUS vote, and a vote for Unavenger following other player's questioning of Unavenger posting without voting. He unvotes Unavenger when he realizes Unavenger is finally voting. Then picks up on pushing Unavenger again after I do.
Until he votes for Lord Athos, he's only following other people's suspicions and OMGUSing. There doesn't seem to be any real reason for voting for Athos other than that I dropped off the wagon. And he’s quite intent on pushing the theory that Athos and I are connected. Right up until AV disputes it. Then he quickly drops it. (But keeps the vote on Athos)
My take: does not want to be controversial or contribute; prioritizing avoiding those over scum-hunting.
JeenLeen
Spoiler: spoilered for lengthWhile this does feel like trying to project an impression of solve-iness without really doing much solving, I'm not sure a wolf would actually do this. Having an idea beforehand of how to handle the cops situation is probably in town's interest. Even if we end up changing our minds, just having an idea of what sort of ways we could approach it could be the difference between a reasonably smooth job handling it and confused floundering.
Overall good. I am possibly a bit suspicious of coming out and justifying staying off the Athos-JWL competing wagons. It's not inconsistent with possible townie thinking, but it does feel like it could have some undertones of trying to preemptively justify not being on either wagon, in the event she gets accused of trying to avoid committing. The eventual switch to Lord Athos, of course, could become quite meaningful later.
The unique views stuff is off topic (or topic-tangential, really) but also at night. So that's null.
JoyWonderLove is definitely looking pretty fly-under-the-radar-y. The last second switch by JeenLeen and AV is interesting.
Logan1996. I did a thread search for his posts. There was literally one. That’s not flying under the radar. That’s building a time machine and going back before the invention of radar. He votes for JWL, which is potentially meaningful.
rogue_alchemist
Spoiler: spoilered for lengthI already covered this. It’s also hedge-y. Feels generally ungood.
Too concerned with looking scummy. Does not appear to have any interest in scum-hunting.
But AV’s response is the part that is really troubling. If you think someone’s weirdness is due to inexperience or such, that can be noted in analysis. But AV is too quick here to jump in and defend rogue for him.
Snowblaze. I’m in a similar place as with Apogee. Ok, but nothing that couldn’t be done as scum. The late switch off of Lord Athos is potentially telling. If JWL is scum, then that would be a risk for scum-Snowblaze (though mitigated somewhat by how little time was left in the day). If JWL is town, I could potentially see a scum-Snowblaze being less happy about ending up on the townie-killing wagon.
Unavenger
Spoiler: spoilered for length
Book Wombat is another one-post-wonder. This one goes the other way and votes for Lord Athos.
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2020-06-06, 05:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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The Night ends in roughly ninety minutes.
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2020-06-06, 07:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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8 minutes remaining. Yup I'm tired of waiting.
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2020-06-06, 07:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'll be nice and give you a buffer post.
*is definitely not refreshing obsessively at all*I'm writing stuff, come and read it!
Werewolf games won: 24
Werewolf games lost: 14
Games as town: 23.5
Games as neutral: 5.5
Games as wolf: 9
Games narrated: 1
Deaths: 17
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2020-06-06, 07:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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It's the (first night) final countdown, do do doo doo...
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2020-06-06, 07:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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The night was pretty ecthic, everybody in varying degrees kept themselves busy, chatting or plotting. Everybody but one. They kept themselves well at home, thank you. Who'd go out at night with monsters around? Well, unfortunately, monsters care not about your door. In a room painted red, you found the body of the one who could tell you who did it.
Aventine died. They were the Doctor.
Spoiler: RoleYou're the Doctor, a Town Human role. You never saw these kind of wounds, but if someone thinks you won't do your job anyway well screw them, you're a doctor and vowed to save lives.
Each night pick a player, that player can't die during the night. In addition, every day as long as you are alive the role of the killer is discovered publicly if there's a victim
Try to avoid colds, gents. And death, possibly.
BEGIN DAY 2
It'll end in 48 hours.
QTs with night's results will be updated now.
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All night actions received feedback.Last edited by Valmark; 2020-06-06 at 07:16 AM.
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2020-06-06, 07:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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First off, not to be too cryptic (haha, sike, I'm gonna be cryptic) but if the person who did the thing that they did last night could keep on doing that, that would be great because that's really cool and takes away all the weirdness that would otherwise make my job harder.
Second off, yikes, losing a doctor might be an issue.
Third, I might go around and ISO everyone in a bit but really not feeling up to doin' stuff right now. >.>
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2020-06-06, 08:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, Aventine's death could point to any number of people - AV, rogue_alchemist, and gac are the ones that were probably called out most but the wolves could assume we would follow that train of thought so...
At least to start, I'll throw a vote onBook Wombatto hopefully see where their head is at. Through the grapevine there may be one or two people caught in lies, so we'll see what comes of that.
Also, people should have gotten feedback from any roles that take actions in the night. Would it help to publicly say if anyone knows they were roleblocked? I assume there would be at least one in the game and my guess is that they're with the wolves. Not exactly sure what that would tell us, but it's possibly more info for the town.Last edited by CaoimhinTheCape; 2020-06-06 at 04:36 PM.
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2020-06-06, 08:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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