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2020-09-30, 06:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Sermil and the Banter of Randomness: Random Banter #228
Jar Jar was irrelevant. If the Jedi don't land on the opposite side of the planet for no reason, they don't need to go to the Gungan city. The Gungan were largely irrelevant to the movie anyway - the only thing the add is a battle outside of the city, which could be replicated in other ways. Anakin was much too young, the podrace scene was entirely irrelevant, almost every major scene makes no sense whatsoever, there was a ton wrong with that movie and would need significant rewrites to make it good.
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2020-09-30, 06:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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I like the Phantom Menace. It's doesn't need to be rewritten. But that just my opinion.
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2020-09-30, 06:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Mmm, I think I set off some sort of radar at the best of times. I have managed three in person dates in 2 years and a couple dozen of these 1-2 month textships. Heck the one person I had real chemistry with this year hit the breaks hard on talking on discord and then ghosted me after exchanging numbers/discords and me buying the game she wanted to play with me. Something on my end for sure.
I'm glad things are going well for you, sorry you might get separated by lockout.
I don't know Peelee, I think it could have been done with only a few changes. Anakin as a pit fighting slave of 14-15 who was winning due to the force, the Gungans retake the city instead of fighting in a field, Seperatists retreat instead of losing their fleet when they hear Maul is dead.
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2020-09-30, 06:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Nemoidians trying to gas the Jedi and then opening the chamber after mere seconds makes no sense. The Jedi (and, by extension, Trade a federation army) landing on the wrong side of the planet makes no sense. A group of non-droids and Nemoidians approaching a group a battle droids not being immediately attacked makes no sense. Battle droids having to vocally discuss things with each other despite all being controlled by a central computer makes no sense (in fact, the rampant stupidity of the battle droids controlled by a central computer makes no sense). A single ship effortlessly running a blockade with no distraction or other help makes no sense. Only listening to a single small shop, which is the first and only shop you've been to, makes no sense. A needlessly complicated gambling wager over an already uncertain contest makes no sense. Not trading a functional ship with no hyperdrive to the person who supposedly has the only hyperdrive that fits it in exchange for a ship with a functional hyperdrive makes no sense. The Senate not listening to two Jedi who were also representatives sent by the Republic and thus acting in an official capacity as witnesses to corroborate the Queen's story makes no sense. The blockade no longer existing on returning to the planet makes no sense. The Trade Federation going into the middle of nowhere for no apparent reason to fight people who have already been conquered makes no sense. The Gungans having military hardware despite abandoning all their lands makes no sense. Padme using a decoy even in private, such as on the ship with only her personal escort and two Jedi who are clearly and openly acting in her and Naboo's best interest, and in Senate testimony which has got to be fraud at the very least, makes no sense. The wealthy queen not trying to buy Anakin's freedom makes no sense.
Every major scene in the movie makes no sense. This would not require a small rewrite. The would require a major overhaul of the entire script.Last edited by Peelee; 2020-09-30 at 08:15 PM.
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2020-09-30, 06:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Looks like I hit a sharp edge! Which is totally understandable.
As for the prequel films... I recommend you watch these!
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2020-09-30, 06:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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I am intrigued.
For reals, though, Blues Brothers 2000 was pretty bad, and Blues Brothers was really good. I wholly recommend watching it. It's just fun. Plus, the musicians were all at the top of their games, unlike BB2000. I recommend the extended edition if you can find it. You'll know, it starts with some bleak cityscapes of smoke towers and stuff. Seems odd for a comedy. Worth it, especially since it explains the epoxy.Last edited by Peelee; 2020-09-30 at 06:46 PM.
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2020-09-30, 06:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-30, 06:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Isn't the entire movie irrelevant anyway? The opening scenes of the next one are all that's needed for plot relevance.
Huh, I think the Gungan had just fled their city and took their hardware with them. So they hadn't been conquered yet.
No this maybe because I can't distinguish Keira Knightley and Natalie Portman, and the make-up (intentionnally) doesn't help but isn't she not using her decoy in these scenes (at least in the senate and that's why "Padmé" isn't there for Ani to talk to)?
Also, you forgot Maul coming back to Naboo makes no sense. He has no stake in this fight.
The Separatist Alliance doesn't exist in TPM, that's how irrelevant that movie is.
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2020-09-30, 06:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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We all feel like that sometimes. But don't worry, I can tell you from personal experience that if you keep banging your face against the wall that eventually you'll be so ugly from the swelling and bruises that somebody will take pity on you.
Or find somebody decent who isn't interested in dating just for the free stuff. I'm not sure which it was. I've given up trying to convince one of my girlfriends to let me pay for dinner...
I mean, entertainment doesn't have to make sense, but it's not detrimental to the experience. It can certainly help with my willing suspension of disbelief, if I know the man in the blue box is a time traveller from the future than it's easier to believe when he alters his screwdriver to burn through concrete than when I know he's from the 1800s.
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2020-09-30, 06:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-30, 07:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'll look into it! And do enjoy, there is one for each prequel and it makes a genuinely beautiful story, think.
You sure about that chief?
It's the best part of the film but it definitely lags a bit and there was going to be an entire additional lap initially.
Okay so I have to break this to you Bartmanhomer; most entertainment does make sense. If it doesn't make sense, there's either something you're missing or the thing is just bad.
In the case of The Naked Gun... it is a parody. It's not supposed to make sense because it is a parody of action spy thrillers. In that sense, everything that happens in The Naked Gun makes sense WITHIN CONTEXT.
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2020-09-30, 07:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-30, 07:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-30, 07:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-30, 07:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not denying that some pieces of entertainment don't make sense, one of my favourite shows (I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue) is built around the idea of nonsensicality. But your statement wasn't that some entertainment doesn't make sense, it was that of course something doesn't make sense because it's entertainment. You implied a relationship where B causes A.
And honestly, a lot of entertainment that appears not to make sense does. Imagine you have no idea what Doctor Who is and somebody shows you Curse of the Fatal Death (probably caused by that Deadly Assassin I keep hearing about). Now while quite a bit of it will make sense, even the Doctor/Master relationship isn't that complex, some things will just seen random unless you know the context l, particularly one joke in Part 2 where the Doctor burns through four regenerations in about a minute trying to defuse a weapon. Unless you have context it's literally 'the character exits the scene, there's some sound effects, and they re-enter the scene played by a new actor'.
Which can be even worse outside of comedy. Staying with the same franchise Doctor Who tends to handle regeneration rather well, even the very first instance which makes several implications that are never brought up again. But Doctor Who the movie messed up due to not accounting for a new audience, to many they'd been introduced to the main character played by Sylvester McCoy, who roughly a third of the way through suddenly dies, goes through CGI, and becomes a different and much more attractive character with a completely different personality. And then doesn't explain it properly, because it's happened six times already. (Compare this to the Nine->Ten regeneration, where the Doctor gives a brief overview of what's about to happen as the scene builds up to him changing, and the entire subsequent episode has a subplot dedicated to making what it means clearer, and thus providing the context).
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2020-09-30, 08:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-30, 08:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-30, 08:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-30, 08:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-30, 08:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Of course, tha'ts Disney canon.
Legends canon we don't know when he died(Clone Wars is both Legends and Dinsey EU canon, but Rebels is only Disney.)
A think I want to do someday is a roleplay where several different characters from different points in the timeline end up on Tatooine during Phantom Menace and just see how badly they can derail the Prequels.
I imagine that part of the fun is that some of the players would be from the Legends timeline and some would be from the Disney timeline and realize quite quickly that their knowledge of history don't line up in ways that can't be easily explained.I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2020-09-30, 08:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-30, 08:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Didn't you watch like the one episode of nuWho intentionally filled to the brim with references to the classic series? Including them having to make the CGI out of bubble wrap? I suspect if you started with like Series 12, Series 1, or even Season 1 it would make a lot more sense (and no, I'm not going to bother to explain which one comes first).
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2020-09-30, 08:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Rater, the star wars things I mainly have consumed and stick in my mind are the original trilogy, prequels, Kotors 1 and 2, The Force Unleashed and maybe The Old Republic MMO on the rare occasions I feel like playing it instead of better games. I have seen other things in Star Wars sure but not in large amounts, and clone wars is one of those things I never really paid attention to all that much. I am not an avid consumer of everything Star Wars, like everything else I try to be selective and go for what interests me, and I just never got interested in either of those two things about Star Wars.
Edit: oh right I unironically liked the Solo movie, because Han Solos is my favorite character in Star Wars.Last edited by Lord Raziere; 2020-09-30 at 08:34 PM.
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I saw this thing a while ago which puts together a surprisingly good case for Jar Jar's general clumsy awkward messiness actually being an act, and he's actually a Sith (with that bit written out and replaced with Dooku when fans hated him more than expected). It's definitely... something? Honestly I've never been particularly into Star Wars. It could be plausible, it could also be careful cherry-picking. Funny to think about.
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2020-09-30, 09:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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If you actually look at Jar Jar's actions... He's one of the kindest and most selfless people in all three trilogies.
That's why I say toning down the clumsiness a little bit and giving him a different accent would go a long way to salvaging the movie.
(Also, apparently, he's like, really good in Clone Wars. Apparently, the whole thing with Clone Wars was "lets explains and/or make up for stuff that was bad in the prequels.")I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2020-09-30, 09:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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In the very first movie, as a general of the Gungans, he immediately surrenders at the first opportunity to do so, despite the significantly more trained and experienced captain telling him not to. This surrender is on behalf of all Gungans in the field. This is an amazingly selfish act solely to save his own skin without regard for the entire purpose they were fighting to begin with.
Jar Jar is kind and selfless when it doesn't cost him anything.Last edited by Peelee; 2020-09-30 at 09:53 PM.
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