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Thread: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
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2019-12-21, 02:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
I’ll join the Caerulea bandwagon, just to see what happens.
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2019-12-21, 05:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-12-21, 05:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
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2019-12-21, 05:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
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2019-12-21, 05:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-12-21, 10:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
I'll get in on this Caerulea
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2019-12-21, 11:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
End Night One
Well, a large amount of people felt that this Caerulea person was a mite suspicious. Let's kill them now! was the clamour. However, it was getting late, and it's a ship, surely they'll still be there in the morning. For some, though, waiting until morning wasn't enough. One person snuck into the captains cabin, withdrew their gun, and shot him in the head.
Caerulea died. They were the Captain (neutral). Now who's going to sail the ship? Autopilot, probably.
Night lynches are not a thing.
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2019-12-22, 03:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
Wait, by "night lynches are not a thing" you mean that it was a night power or is it just flavor?
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2019-12-22, 03:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
Sounds like we shouldn't bother voting at night anymore because they confirmed it is pointless. I think they were killed by a night kill. If I had to guess I would say it was a town night kill. I could be wrong but it seems like it would be a dumb target for the wolf to go after Caerulea When we didn't even know if they counted as a kill Target. It makes sense for tile to do it if we have someone with the town killability because it would gather information. A wolf however would probably have been better served trying to kill a player. It could have also been some kind of neutral kill.
My only issue with this theory is why would the wolves not kill somebody... Sonata think about it are wolves are either no shows or this one's the action of a wolf. No telling I guess.
Edit: Also Grek
Edit: sorry about the rambling. I figured my thoughts might help somebody better at the game even if they make no sense.Last edited by gac3; 2019-12-22 at 03:42 AM.
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2019-12-22, 04:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
Your thoughts make sense to me, anyway... let’s see what I can deduce.
Assuming that Caerulea was a town/neutral kill (I agree, it’s unlikely for a wolf to kill the narrator), there are a few possibilities (I’m using “wolves” but there might only be one wolf.)
1. The wolves don’t have a night kill. This is extremely unlikely, but in a game like this not completely impossible.
2. The wolves have a night kill but didn’t use it. Whether that’s because they chose not to (makes no sense) or because they’re inactive (possible), I don’t know although I suspect the latter.
3. The wolves were roleblocked. I’d go with this, except that the roleblocker was the late AvatarVecna, who couldn’t have roleblocked anyone. Unless there’s another blocker under the category of “town with extra win-cons and powers”?
So my theory is that the wolves are inactive.
I’ve been keeping a vote count, so I’ll look at Day One:
Spoiler: Day One VotesAvatarVecna (7): flat_footed, gac3, AvatarVecna, Elenna, Erin666, BasketOfPuppies, PartyOfRouges
Unavenger (3): Snowblaze, The Outsider, Valmark.
Snowblaze (1): Unavenger.
Caerulea (1): JeenLeen
Invalid vote (2): Grek, Silent_Interim
Posted without voting (3): C’nor, Xihirli, Chrysocolla
Didn’t post (2): flyinglemur, Xenopax.
So, by that logic,flyinglemur.
(edit) Also, Snowblaze for mayor, if we're allowed to re-elect every day.Last edited by Snowblaze; 2019-12-23 at 09:23 AM.
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2019-12-22, 04:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
Is there auto-lynching in this one? How does it work? Do you only need to post or do you also have to vote?
That said, I think they were roleblocked. With all the hidden roles it'd make sense there would be at least one more... Baner was the term?
While it could be one who didn't post, I'm gonna wait and see what others come up with.
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2019-12-22, 10:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
I like Snowblaze's thoughts. I'll put a second vote on flyinglemur.
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2019-12-22, 10:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
I'll spread the love to Xenopax for my first vote.
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2019-12-22, 10:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
Although Caerulea still hasn't confirmed to me if my mayoral status does anything (Just in case, reelect Unavenger for mayor 2020) it's possible that both the wolves and the medic disagreed, and therefore decided to make sure that I died or that I didn't, respectively. Hence, no nightkill and one safe, happy mayor.
Anyway, I like this counterwagon 'cause it means both of you need to talk or risk biting it, so Xenopax speak now or forever rest in peace.
(Valmark, baner means medic, blocker means roleblocker.)
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2019-12-22, 11:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
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2019-12-22, 11:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
Unavenger for mayor, Grek for BIG,
Xenopaxfor lynch.
The other option was flyinglemur, but they're always a no-show day one.Last edited by Grek; 2019-12-24 at 04:50 PM.
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2019-12-22, 12:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
There can only be one X-name, Pax.
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2019-12-22, 12:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
Unavenger's government led to the death of the captain, so I'm going to vote Snowblaze as mayor!
As for actual murder and death, I'm going to jump on Xenopax wagon 'cause Xi's argument is a really good, sound and well-opinionated point.
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2019-12-22, 05:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
My working theory is that there's only one wolf (the Madman) and a bunch of other factions/roles with their own goals. Which does make "no night-kill because the only wolf was inactive" a reasonable theory.
Anyways, not sure how to feel about the size of the Xenopax wagon? It came up pretty fast, which generally tends to be a sign of the player not being a wolf if nobody is trying to defend them or create another wagon, but if I'm right about there only being one wolf...
Gonna poke flyinglemur instead, since they were also a no-show which could explain the lack of wolf kill.I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2019-12-22, 10:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
I think Elenna has a good point. I'll join in the voting on flyinglemur as well.
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2019-12-22, 10:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
I’ll also get in on the flyinglemur bandwagon
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2019-12-22, 11:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
This is what I get for forgetting to post. Xenopax because yikes I'm doomed if I vote anyone else. Unavenger for mayor, because I've always been so suspicious of him in the past, that I might as well turn a new leaf here.
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2019-12-23, 09:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
...and this is where I realise I've just started two bandwagons based on incomplete information and faulty logic. As Unavenger says, it's also possible that the medic could have protected the wolves' kill target.
The theory I've gone with, though, is a lot easier to test, so based on the fact that flyinglemur has now posted and this is apparently his usual activity, I'm changing my vote to Xenopax.
Vote Snowblaze for Mayor, everyone! (I do have a clue what I'm doing, honestly).
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2019-12-23, 10:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
...well, apparently we're lynching Xenopax now. That's... I mean, I disagree with the logic behind it, but it's possible, I guess. I don't think it's especially more or less likely to have been a town night kill than a wolf one. It's a strategically iffy move either way, though I suppose if there's a vigilante they might have done it for teh lulz. Still, a wolf might well have done it just to see what happens too. If there's a medic who blocked another night kill, I'd encourage them to come forward with that info sooner rather than later, because that would confirm one way or the other, and a successful baning is a very helpful starting point for tracking down wolves.
EDIT: Oh, uh. I suppose I should probably vote. JeenLeen, because second in on a big ol' wagon is a cozy spot for a wolf.
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2019-12-23, 10:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
IMO the difference is that wolves usually have better targets for night kills, but townies should usually refrain from killing N1 because it's more likely that they'll kill an ally rather than a wolf. So a townie has less to lose by probably wasting their night-kill to see what happens, which is why I think the Caerulea kill was a townie.
I'm also not convinced that the medic should expose themselves just to say who they blocked a kill on. It basically makes them useless for the rest of the game as they have to keep protecting themselves. Yes, an unkillable, uncounterclaimed medic could start a network, but networking should be significantly less helpful this game that in the last one since not all roles are known.
And I'm not sure why you say a successful baning would help find wolves? All that tells us is who was targeted last night, and trying to find wolves based on that information is always full of WIFOM.
(Also, does the medic even know if their bane was successful? I feel like Caerulea answered this question but I don't remember...)I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2019-12-23, 11:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
To be honest I feel like the lynch is wasted on account of Xeno getting auto-lynched anyway if they don't post. Which seems likely at this point, since he was last online when he posted in the recruitment thread (actually two days after, but close anyway).
Homewever if you say that flying's modus operandi is to not be around the first day/night then the only suspicious person is Xeno, yes. I find it too unlikely that the wolves kill was blocked seemingly by chance and I can't see why they wouldn't kill, since it gives us more time to find them.
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Also this. A medic or any other kind of spike in the spine shouldn't reveal themselves openly. What if there's an unblockable night kill? I think there was one in the magician's game?
Plus having to protect oneself means thay you'll be leaving the others vulnerable. Or it becomes a game of chance. Which always is, so nothing changesLast edited by Valmark; 2019-12-23 at 11:16 AM.
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2019-12-23, 11:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
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2019-12-23, 01:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mafia/WW Red Atlantic Cruise
Ok, thanks!
So the medic would know if they blocked a kill, but I still don't think it's worth it for them to say so. Also, I'm kind of suspicious of Silent_Interim for suggesting it.
Now, if we could say for sure that the cook stopped a kill, it would be worth it for them to say who they targeted. But I don't see any way to know that for sure. It might be worth it anyways, maybe? I'd rather try a Xenopax or lemur lynch instead.I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2019-12-23, 02:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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