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The Optimization Timeline
For a while now I've wanted to create a timeline of the achievements of the Dungeons and Dragons community in the form of a Timeline, just to be able to see how that particular facet of the game has evolved.
FORMATTING
When I can only find a year, an item will be listed at the end of the year.
PRE-3.X
1985 or 1986- Eric and the Dread Gazebo
November 1987- Tucker's Kobolds described in Dragon Magazine #127
1995- Player's Options: Skills&Powers opens up a new realm of MinMaxing
2002
July 23, 2002- Oberoni Fallacy introduced by user Oberoni on Wizards D&D forum
2003
June 2003- D&D 3.5 Introduced: a Golden Age of Optimization dawns
2003- Pun-Pun created by Khan_the_Destroyer on the Wizards D&D forums
2003- Twice-Betrayer of Shar created by LordofPRocrastination on Wizard D&D forum
2004
January 11, 2004- snow_savant posts the Fighter-20 on the Wizards &D forum
February 21, 2004- That Damn Crab on the Wizards site
November 18, 2004- Frank & K. posts the Wish and the Word for an optimization contest on the Wizards D&D forum
2005
May 1, 2005- Weapons of Legacy suck
June 5, 2005- LordofProcrastionation introduces the 100^10 optimization challenge on the Wizards D&D forum
August 24, 2005 Zemyla creates the Totally Overpowered Basketweaver (to take out LoP's Twice-Betrayer of Shar)
December 3, 2005- LordofProcrastination creates the Omniscifier on the Wizards D&D forum in response to Pun-Pun
2005- Tleilaxu_Ghola's Terminator created on Wizards D&D forum
2005- surreal's first list on Wizards D&D forum
2006
January 10, 2006- The first That Lanky Bugger story
February 27, 2006- Tleilaxu_Ghola creates the Psionic Sandwich on the Wizards D&D forum
March 14, 2006- Tome of Magic released
May 15, 2006- Stormwind Fallacy introduced by user Tempest_Stormwind on Wizards D&D forum
May 30, 2006- caelic posts Jack B. Quick on the Wizards D&D forum
June 22, 2006- Caelic posts Bunko's Bargain Basement on the Wizards D&D forum
July 24, 2006- Tleilaxu-Ghola's Temporal Workshop
August 8, 2006- Tome of Battle released
September 2006- Planar Shepherd
2006- Stupid Monsters someone was paid to make = the best job by Jared Hindman
2006- loneknife posts Experience is a River on the Wizards D&D forum
2007
February 2, 2007- One of the earlies instances of the Commoner Railgun is posted on the GitP forum
June 27, 2007- Dictum_Mortuum creates the Basketweaver's Handbook
August 2007- WotC announces 4E
October 5, 2007- Bassetking creates the 1d2 Crusader on the GitP forum
October 7, 2007- SilverClawShift begins what becomes the first SilverClawShift Campaign journal
September 19, 2007- Fax Celestis posts that Pseudonatural Paragon Damn Crab on the GitP forum
2007- Treantmonk's Guide to Wizards: Being a God is posted on the Wizards D&D forums
2007- caedrus creates the Jumplomancer on the Wizards D&D forum
2007- surreal posts the Lists of Stuff on the Wizards D&D forum
2007- Chuck E. Cheese created on Wizards D&D forum
2007- snizor posts Living in a Flying Box on the Wizards D&D forum
2008
May 13 2008- Saph posts the Horizon Tripper on the GitP forum
May 16, 2008- Ejothims achieves 1,067,212 attacks in a single action on BG
May 17 2008- tsuyoshikentsu reposts ridiculous cohort shenanigans on BG
June 2008- A 4E build is created that defeats the toughest monster in the 4E books
July 6, 2008- JaronK posts the Tier System for Classes on the MinMax Boards
August 28, 2008- Caelic posts the first Iron Chef on BG
December 1, 2008- Oldest thread I can find Emperor Tippy talking about Tippyverse on gitp, although it looks like it was first called that by hewhosaysfish, and it sounds like something Tippy had already established.
December 14, 2008- DeAnno creates the Mailman on the Wizards D&D forum
2009
January 7, 2009- JeminiZero creates the Emerald Legion on the GitP forum
February 6, 2009- Eldariel reposts Being Batman: the Logic Ninja's Guide to Wizards on the GitP forum
June 4, 2009- Test of Spite is created by Doc Roc on the GitP forum
July 31, 2009- Gr1illedcheese posts Why Each Class is in its Tier on BG
October 12, 2009- Fishy posts the Dream of Metal on the GitP forum
September 1, 2009- Olo Demonsbane kills himself while fighting 9mm in a Test of Spite match (bounced Mortalbane Voracious Dispelling)
September 10, 2009- sonofzeal creates Bubs the Commoner on the GitP forum
September 11, 2009- The first Dysfunctional Rules Thread "Wait, that didn't work right" - the Dysfunctional Rules Collection is posted by Firechanter on the GitP forum
September 21, 2009- Person_Man creates X stat to Y bonus on the GitP forum
September 21, 2009- Test of Spite, Olo Demonsbane vs. PhoenixRivers. Olo fails a Will save vs. death urge, delivering 44756 damage to himself
September 22, 2009- ShnekkeytheLost's Takahashi no Onisan wins in Test of Spite
2009- Wizards Gleemax migration
2010
January 4, 2010- Darrin creates the Archon of Nine on the GitP forum
February 18, 2010- First Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge on the GitP forum with Heliomance as chairwoman
April 6, 2010- Darrin posts Shax's Indispensable Haversack on the GitP forum
August 10, 2010- Doc_Roc posts his "Commodore Guff" magic jar trick
October 20, 2010- Darrin reposts Cindy by Karsh, popularized by Emperor Tippy, on the GitP forum
September 2010- Beholder Mage
2011
October 30, 2011- BrilliantGameologists nuked out of existance by spam attacks at about 5am board time
November 7, 2011- MinMax Board launched
November 8, 2011- Definitive Guide to the Tippyverse created by Emperor Tippy on GitP forum
December 8, 2011- First Zinc Saucier competition on GitP forum with motoko's ghost as chairman
December 31, 2011- Dictum_Mortuum preserves LordofProcrastination's Dirty Tricks Handbook.
2012
February 14, 2012- Zonugal posts the Commoner Handbook on the GitP forum
May 10, 2012- Captnq's work on the EVD begins
September 23, 2012- Arcanist posts The Stuffy Doll Vs the PLayground Challenge. V.1 is defeated in 2 minutes. Later versions take CONSIDERABLY longer.
October 18th, 2012- toapat posts the Ultimate Tarrasque on the GitP forum
October 29, 2012- Sgt. Cookie posts the Dread Blossom Swarm Symbiote on the GitP forum
December 28, 2012- Anthrowhale posts the ExFighter on the GitP forum
December 29, 2012- Afroakuma creates the first Planar Questions Thread
December 2012- Crystalkeep's downfall
2012- First Weekly Optimization Showcse by Tempest_Stormwind and his Gaming group
2012- New terrible Wizards forum latyout
2013
March 30, 2013- Captnq posts the Noob Handbook to BG
April 15, 2013- Cruiser 1 posts Priya the Prismatic Priestess on the GitP forum
April 30, 2013- Anthrowhale's The Stutter Caster is posted on the GitP forum, inspired by dextercovia's attacks on the ExFighter
May 29, 2013- Tippy's Terrifically Terrible Trial
August 4, 2013- Vadskye posts the Seventy-Five Theses on the Design and Brokenness of Spells on the GitP forum
November 28, 2013- Dalebert posts the Implications of Witches on the GitP forum
November 29, 2013- Version b0.01 of the Encyclopedia Vinculum Draconis released by Captnq on the MinMax Boards
2014
January 18, 2014- Snowbluff creates the Snowbluff Axiom on the GitP forum
March 19, 2014- Kazudo creates the first Junkyard Wars in the Playground on the GitP forum
June 11, 2014- Grod_The_Giant posts Grod's Law on the GitP forum
Feel free to contribute more or correct dates. I'm really interested in expanding this, so please help! I don't mind adding anyone's handbooks, I just want to put everything I can. I'll add links later.
If you would like your name to be removed just inform me and I'll do so.Last edited by Irk; 2014-07-13 at 10:25 PM.
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We should probably mention something about the more prominent character guides, such as Being Batman: TLN's Guide to Wizards, Treantmonk's Guide Playing a God, and Sir Giacomo's Guide to Partially Charged Wands.
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Well, how about:
1973-2003 thousands of people play D&D for fun without ever hearing the word ''optimization''.
1989-2000 hundreds of people play horrible unbalanced 2E, but even with a character that has, for example less then ten in all ability scores, has fun. There are a dozen or so people that don't have fun, and sadly most of them go on the write 3E.
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This seems unnecessarily sarcastic. The denizens of online forums for D&D optimization probably only make up a small percentage of players. Thousands of people STILL play D&D for fun without caring about optimization, and the reason for the 2E 3E changeover wasn't just satisfaction but also a change in publisher. You'll notice that no 3.e material wears that pretty TSR logo anymore, and WoTC is just doing to D&D what WoTC does to everything: it is prolific. Why lean on all the 3rd party stuff in the world when you can MAKE the 3rd party content?
Eh? EHH???
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There is a thread here that came to the conclusion that Dragonwrought Kobolds are not true dragons, I belive that should be on your list.
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You should probably put information about Mailman/Cindy builds as well. They mark an interesting shift back to 'casters dealing damage' being a thing, and away from save-ors.
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Yeah, Iron Chef at BG should be mentioned, with another mention of Iron Chef itP and its spinoffs.
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Also worth mentioning, August 2007 WOTC announces fourth edition, and since many people complained about 3E's lack of balance, an important design factor is to create a very balanced game. In June 2008, just before the game is released, optimizers respond by creating a mid-level 4E character that by RAW easily defeats the toughest (level 30+) monster in the book.
(edit) other famous charop builds to include are the Jumplomancer, the King of Smack, and the Hulking Hurler; and then there was the Gestalt Challenge right here at the GiantITP forums.Last edited by Kurald Galain; 2014-06-16 at 05:57 PM.
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Pre history a long time ago- somebody realizes sharpening the stick is better and so optimization begins
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This isn't exactly what the OP was asking about, but there's some data I'd love to see, just as a timeline of the evolution of 3.5ed play:
- The average CR gap that parties successfully defeat without casualties as a function of time
- The average value of various statistics (martial ACs, damage per round, etc) as a function of time
- The average value of characters' highest stat as a function of level and time
- The average character level as a function of time
I think it'd be neat to see how the style of playing the game has itself evolved, and it'd be useful data in designing future games to be able to take into account the increase in player skill over a decade of play.
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- Crystalkeep taken down.
- birth of dndtools.eu
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The Tomes series of books released. That's a big one.
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Every type of event is welcome, please don't be sarcastic.
Will add when I can find it
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Certainly would be fascinating, but the general shape of the graph could be predicted, and it would be quite difficult to chart that
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If you have dates for these, feel free to post
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Cindy was primarily created by Karsh. I made it popular but it wasn't my build. My version of that type of build for that particular game was actually worse as it used massive amounts of negative levels but it was fine as both of those builds were developed in conjunction and to work as a team.
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The Wish and The Word: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/The_Wis...aracter_Build)
I also like this one: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/shows...&postcount=732
Have fun!
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To be added:
Gazebo Jones
Any Campaign Jounrals, suggest some
more handbooks (Dictuum Mortuum, etc)
That Damn Crab (that damn pseudo natural crab?)
more builds (chicken infested, festering anger, running guy)
optimization by the numbers, Incarnate by the numbersLast edited by Irk; 2014-06-16 at 09:07 PM.
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2-27-2006: Tleilaxu_Ghola posts the "Psionic Sandwich" trick.
6-22-2006: Caelic posts the original Bunko's Bargain Basement thread on the wizards board.
12-1-2008: Oldest thread I can find Emperor Tippy talking about Tippyverse on gitp, although it looks like it was first called that by hewhosaysfish, and it sounds like something Tippy had already established.
5-11-2009: dark_samurai posts the Utility Belt on BG.
9-21-2009: Test of Spite, Olo Deathsbane vs. PhoenixRivers. Olo fails a Will save vs. death urge, delivering 44756 damage to himself. While this isn't anywhere near a World Record for damage, this is probably the one battle from Test of Spite that anyone can clearly remember.
8-10-2010: Doc_Roc posts his "Commodore Guff" magic jar trick.Handbooks:
Shax's Indispensable Haversack, TWF OffHandbook
Builds:
Archon of Nine, Jellobomber, King of Pong, Lightning Thief
Spells:
Druidzilla, Healbot, Gish
Iron Chef:
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The name of the competition where you emulate a class without using any levels in it is the Zinc Saucier.
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Bassetking's 1d2 Crusader was cut down from level 15 to level thirteen within hours, and brought below level 10 within three days if IIRC.
Valhalla (Level 20 arena matchup) likely isn't going to make the books, as it involved a high Cha 'Handle DM' check and a melee-r taking 1st before rules arguments brought it down.
I'll second the Mailman addition, and make a motion for a flowering of the Warmage (Rainbow Servant) unless that's too basic.
If we're going for a full timeline, who was it that first broke down the argument between Greatsword and Greataxe?Life is a gamble, roll the dice. If your life is like cards, rig the deck.
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Added. The test of spite was same day as X stat to Y bonus.
Wow, I would have loved to read that campaign. Too bad.
Thanks! Added.
Greataxe v. Greatsword would be good, not sure what you mean by rainbow servant, but I'm sure it could be added. Valhalla I can't find.
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King of Smack was originally done by LordShade.
8-24-2005: Zemyla posts the Totally Overpowered Basketweaver (to take out LoP's Twice-Betrayer of Shar).
6-27-2007: Basketweaver's Handbook posted by Dictum_Mortuum.Handbooks:
Shax's Indispensable Haversack, TWF OffHandbook
Builds:
Archon of Nine, Jellobomber, King of Pong, Lightning Thief
Spells:
Druidzilla, Healbot, Gish
Iron Chef:
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I'd say the Commoner Handbook deserves a mention. Perhaps not the most famous, but very well thought-out and thorough.
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Optimization Related
1. Team Solar(not the original thread), by douglas (i think?)
2. Chuck E. Cheese, by skydragonknight
3. Assplomancer
4. ExFighter, by anthrowhale
5. Stutter Caster, by anthrowhale
6. Stuffy Doll vs. the Playground, by Arcanist
7. Shax's Haversack
8. Dirty Trick Handbook fixes, by PlzBreakMyCampaign
9. Tier System for PrC, started by sonofzeal
10. Tier System for Templates, by snakeman830
EDIT: In hindsight, we already do have a Famous Optimized Character Builds thread. So it's either a good place to look at if you still want to add some, or skip it entirely.
not really optimization related
1. Bubs the Commoner
2. E6 (and the E6 Balor challenge *shrugs* probably)