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2021-05-07, 03:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Elennasmells a bit to me too. Not like it's something Town wouldn't do (I did it too in previous games) but it's still a convinient place to put herself in, since it makes perfect sense to not push a wagon that is already ahead.
Not much but it's not like I have anything better on hand.Last edited by Valmark; 2021-05-08 at 07:43 AM.
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Elenna.
Not that I trust totaldileplayz, but I know he's felt very wolfy to me before when he's been Town, and his critique of me has merits. I had stayed on totaldile because, if he flipped wolf, that sorta proves Murksa as Town; figured the death might give more info than Elenna's.
However, there's been a couple times when Elenna has pinged me as wolf, I don't vote her, and she flips wolf. And now, if Elenna flips wolf, good reason to trust Valmark. So Elenna it is.
I'll try to get online later tonight (Day ends around early morning, my time zone, if I understand it right), in case there's relevant movements, claims, and/or counterclaims... but I might not be online until Saturday night.Last edited by JeenLeen; 2021-05-07 at 09:40 PM.
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I'm sort of thinking the same thing. I get kind of a shady vibe from totaldileplayz for some reason but I got a very similar feel from them last game, where they turned out to be town.
That said, I'm feeling unsure about whom to move my vote to. On one hand, I kinda do want to go with my very scientific "response too nice" and vote JeenLeen. Although...
Hmm.
Ah, what the hell. My brain's giving me nothing so I might as well go with my gut. JeenLeen.
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2021-05-07, 07:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, maybe, but I really didn't have any other suspicions besides totadile, so given that I'd rather lynch someone who seems like they're not going to contribute.
See, I kinda figured someone would say "Elenna is a wolf trying to protect totadile". But at the same time, if I hadn't made that post, I was worried people would say "Elenna is throwing shade on totadile but not actually voting them, obvious distancing." So I figured I was better off trying to explain my thoughts.
Anyways, there's other non-totadile wagons right now, and I'd rather totadileplayz get lynched as opposed to me or Jeen, so I'll move my vote.
By the way, why is my critiquing your plan possibly wolfy, but BW critiquing it is towny?
Actually I think BW's comment about Tea not being the baner is NAI. It's a pretty obvious flaw, and one the wolves can't really take advantage of easily. If I were a wolf and I saw that you mistook Tea for the baner, I'd expect other people to notice it too, so I'd probably post about it to try to get town points.
For comparison, Apogee mentioning the vortexer feels towny to me, because that's a somewhat less obvious issue and it's also something that the wolves might hope to quietly use to mess up your plan. So it's something that might actually hurt the wolf side to point out, unlike the thing with Tea.I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2021-05-07, 07:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think it's neat how quick an Elenna wagon manifested.
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I'll get some ISOs done tonight when I've got time. Just wanted to make sure somebody said it.
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2021-05-07, 07:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Elenna kinda justified herself, at least in part, and now I feel totaldile's flip might yield at least as much info as her own... and neither has bothered to claim...
Back to totaldileplayz.
Side note: that Cao has been quiet makes me suspect he might be a wolf avoiding attention. But, really, it's not unlikely the wolves are just laughing and happy with whichever wagon goes through. But I admit there's plenty of potential real life reasons for the quiet, and this thought mainly came from wanting to see a current vote count like he does.
Perhaps just my indecisiveness about whether to vote totaldile or Elenna?
Strange as it is to say it, I feel uncomfortable with the response to me switching my vote, so that's an irrational part of switching it back. But I am rather undecided. If I were Seto, I'd probably target whichever one of them didn't get lynched today.
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AV, I tend to read "neat" in statements like that as "likely caused, or participated in, by the wolves".
After you do ISOs, I'd be curious if you really feel that way. I'd think it way too risky to risk piling up on Elenna late Day to save a scumbuddy.
I saw it more as tensions and suspicions reaching a bit of a tipping point, then Valmark voted her and I followed.
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2021-05-07, 09:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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That's a valid reading. I'm not declaring that's what I think happened, but you gotta admit it looks bad at first glance. It's easy to read your actions as "presents flawed plan, panics and pushes attention onto totadile, then for some reason panics and pushes attention onto Elenna". There's weirdness in there that looks sketchy upon initial viewing, and I'm gonna do my deep dive later and see if there's something more to see with what exists so far.
I'll have time to do ISOs in a few hours, and I'll put full thought into it once I reach that point.
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2021-05-07, 09:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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So, for things that happened since my last post.
gac joins the game
He's had a good number of posts, even if I disagree with a lot of his arguements. No opinion on him yet, but I think his ISO will help me form an opinion.
rogue_alchemist still has not
So, RA doesn't always show up Day 1 which can be concerning but I don't think my vote is best used there. At this point there's been enough talking that I'd rather a lych that we'd get more info from, rather than someone afk.
BatCatHat posts in general
A couple posts that basically say I hope I'm not looking suspicious (but what if saying that was suspicous. At least joins the Jeen Leen wagon near the end. Curious if you have opinions on the other wagons (mostly totadile and Elenna at this point).
Murska v Totadile
A post addressing Totadile (and the accusation against Jeen) before a convo about WIFOM. My gut instinct is that Jeen's plan comes from a town perspective but I'll talk more about that later.
Jeen Leen
So, I understand his vote against totadile and it doesn't feel like OMGUS. But he spends a lot of time discussing his plan and continues on about how bad it can be: how it's not perfect, why he might look wolfish, and then how the plan could be helpful to the wolves in a situation.
The comments of how he'd be suspicious if myself or Murska flips wolf seems... really weird to me. I can't put my finger on exactly how but it feels like a weird bit to add in.
The flipping back and forth between the two isn't great, especially with the lampshading that he was uncomfortable with how people reacted to his vote on Elenna. Still, my gut says again that a wolf wouldn't put that in their post.
tl;dr Feels weird, but feels townie weird to me.
Elenna
Elenna further presses on why the plan wouldn't be great, but still leaves her vote on RA. Gives a couple townreads and then throws some suspicion on to totadile. Later explains:
Seems to only leave the RA wagon once her own was large enough to be a problem. Could come from a townie of course, but I again am not a fan of an RA wagon now so I wish she (and gac, for that matter) had moved her vote earlier.
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Made some more posts, but not enough for me to judge town or wolf. Looking to see a read list soon.
Jeen and gac
They had a back and forth, with Jeen gac's reads as possibly wolfy but also saying he had an overall town read on gac. Don't really have much more to say on this back and forth at the moment but I'm keeping it in mind.
Gonna do another (shorter) post in a bit (with a vote change) but want to get this in before I'm ninja'd too much.
I haven't posted for... over 24 hours, longer than I thought. Real life reason was sleep, then work, then family but that's sort of beside the point. Vote count below.
Vote Count:
totadileplayz (4): BookWombat, Murska, Elenna, JeenLeen
AvatarVecna (1): CaoimhinTheCape
JeenLeen (2): totadileplayz, BatCatHat
Gac3 (1): AvatarVecna
Elenna (2): Apogee1, Valmark
rogue_alchemist (1): Gac3
Not Voting: rogue_alchemist
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At this point, I'm focusing on Elenna and Totodile. Jeen's wagon is the same size as Elenna, but I've talked a lot about Jeen so far and I don't want to lynch him today.
Elenna
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The random vote and the wording doesn't mean much to me either way, but if she's a wolf, it could be someone from the wolf team trying to make it harder for Town to guess their roles even after the group said in recruitment that Dark Necrofear probably wouldn't fit well.
(Side note: took out parts about the RNG wording and the Day length)
A defense of Jeen then keeping a vote on RA for pressure. I'm of the opinion that that pressure vote was not helping, but that's not necessarily strong evidence against.
Talks about Jeen's plan and then about networking. First instinct was that it was good to bring up that part of the game but after rereading it I feel vibes of "we won't be able to trust networking anyway" and I don't like the vague discouragement there.
Townread on Murska and Apogee, shade thrown on totadile. I like that we have some idea of her opinion of other players, even if it doesn't tell me much about her being town/wolf.
Could be exactly what she says in her post, but could be holding back from putting a more helpful vote down. There's the chance that both are wolves and she was trying to stay off of a buddy while distancing.
Moves to totadile only after her wagon has 3 people on it. There's some lampshade hanging with the "I knew someone would think that" statement, so that doesn't really do much for me.
Gives more reads on BW (null) and reinforces a town read on Apogee. Helpful info but doesn't tell me much about her alignment (at the moment).
Totodile
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Random vote, not much of anything here.
Page 1 vote change to Jeen, which has stuck. First read through was that a vote against Jeen (talkative person I have a townread on) was sketchy but now that we've thought about the plan a bit more (and there's more holes in it than I would like) I understand totadile's vote. I don't like the public speculation on Jeen's role, so points against there.
Mostly discussion on gameplay and strategy rather than anything particularly relevant to the case against JeenLeen. Wish there was more to go on but that's the last post.
So, as much as we've talked about both options these very much feel like Day 1 wagons to me (nothing enough to make me completely sure of either). Of the two, I'm going to vote Elenna. Overall Elenna's posts have felt a little more wolfish on a gut level to me (although, totadile hasn't really been around lately to give me any sort of gut feel) and I would like to see competing wagons so we'll push the two closer.
Vote Count:
totadileplayz (4): BookWombat, Murska, Elenna, JeenLeen
JeenLeen (2): totadileplayz, BatCatHat
Gac3 (1): AvatarVecna
Elenna (3): Apogee1, Valmark, CaoimhinTheCape
rogue_alchemist (1): Gac3
Not Voting: rogue_alchemist
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2021-05-07, 11:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-05-08, 12:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: Batcathat ISONAI on its own. If they were a more experienced player, I'd be wondering if this old vote not being crossed out was a sign that something fishy is afoot, but...they're pretty new.
Kinda reads like dunking on deep analysis stuff, but that could just be newbie talking. I could see a newb-wolf doing this kinda thing: joking in a way that subtly tries to discourage deeper analysis. A more experienced wolf would know that's the kind of thing that can get you analyzed harder.
I'm not really a fan of this kinda post in general cuz it's slightly more often than not a wolf thing. Townie points out X, wolf says "I was just thinking X too but didnt wanna say anything". It doesn't really contribute to the conversation, it's trying to look more helpful than you're actually being. Of course, it's an easy thing for newer townies to do, though...
Oh good, you're learning.
Claims to suspect totadile (the leading wagon at the time, IIRC), then votes JeenLeen as part of a counter-wagon to first suspicion. Could be trying to make sure their two suspects are both lynch candidates today, and I do like how the train of thought is clearly shown to just kinda be drifting. If JeenLeen flips wolf, I'm inclined to think BCH is safe. If totadile flips wolf, though, this post suddenly looks a lot worse.
Slight wolf lean. There's a number of things here that would more than justify a vote in my eyes, but they're also moves that newer players could easily make as a townie.
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Spoiler: Apogee1 ISOBoth cases feel a lil weak to me but I can kinda see the logic behind them. And I guess a D1 vote doesn't have to have the strongest evidence ever.
Townie points for bringing up wolf capabilities as a possible counter to a flawed plan. Wolf team would support a plan vulnerable to vortexing. The upside to a wolf reminding town the vortexer is probably in the roster is that it makes town more doubtful of plan results, but given how the convo went in the recruitment thread, I think we all know what kinda powers the wolf team is looking at, so there's no extra chaos to spread by bringing it up - better to let the planner who forgot just not think about it.
I'm not ready to call this townie points, but given that the discussion could've easily lead to a Cao wagon, I think an A1/Cao scum team is less likely than other combos.
EDIT: Correction, at the time this post was made, Cao already had two votes on him. This couldn't have lead to a Cao wagon, but it could've solidified the already-existent one further. If the scum team is A1/Cao, that's cold.
Slight town lean. There isn't too much posting from Apogee1, but I like what I'm seeing so far.
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Spoiler: CaoimhinTheCape ISONAI. As randvotes often are.
I don't think this is overwrought the way Apogee did. It's reasonable to point at "randvotes" as a bad reason to vote Cao when everybody is randvoting.
It was sus then and it's sus now. Apogee even pointed out how my thing about the "if anything"s could've been a wolf-edit to make it look like a less extreme response.
See this is the kinda thorough explanation I was hoping to see from the previous post. This goes into detail on Cao's thought process more, and makes the previous post look a bit better for it. Probably why the wagon on Cao's faded away.
Hoo boy that's a big post. It's a lot of analysis, and while none of it particularly strikes me as something town or wolf would say, there's enough here that this post will probably be useful as evidence one way or the other two days from now, so that's nice.
Slight wolf lean. There's some bad stuff, but it gets explained-ish. There's some analysis, but it's middle-of-the-road. I'm not willing to lynch Cao today, but I want to keep seeing effort, see if he slips up or proves himself trustworthy.Last edited by AvatarVecna; 2021-05-08 at 01:02 AM.
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2021-05-08, 01:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: Elenna ISOOn the one hand, I could see a wolf trying to spread paranoia about what wolf roles are in the game even though I think we're all suspecting the same powers for the wolf team. On the other hand, I could easily see an experienced townie reminding town not to assume they know wolf team's make-up.
On the other other hand, I don't see much benefit to wolf team for convincing town that Dark Necrofear specifically is in-play; if the conversion was a 1/game power they could use, that would spread paranoia, but we know that we only have to worry about a conversion after we see them die, so if there's no DN, there's no real benefit to wolf team for pretending there's one.
The inserted RNG thing seems to be pinging people and I can kinda see what they mean but you gotta admit that's really weak "evidence".
Townie points. I feel like there should definitely be more discussion about how to use the QTs for networking despite the limitations, it always skews the game more fun and tends to lead to town victory just as a result of more conversation to analyze. Elenna gets townie points for bringing it up.
The parts on Murska and totadile feel like a bit of waffle-wolf to me. Hrm...
I feel this post. I'd rather lynch a wolf than a townie, but I'd rather lynch an inactive townie than an active one. If one doesn't think they can catch a wolf with the lynch, better to lynch the inactive than let them autolynch and lose you a day down the line.
Probably the beefiest Elenna post, and makes sense that it comes out once her head was on the chopping block. At the same time, it's a whole lotta words, but they're not really giving great insight. It's mostly saying obvious stuff and repeating what others have already said. There's no individual piece that couldn't come from a townie or a wolf, but taken as a whole it feels like trying to look active. There's a call-out on JeenLeen buried in this post which makes a good point, but Elenna isn't voting JL because the vote is about survival, not suspicion.
Slight wolf lean. There's some stuff here I really like, but there's some stuff here that's really making me nervous, particularly that last post. idk why two people jumped on that wagon before the last post existed, but I'm at least considering a vote here. I'm staying my hand until I ISO everybody though.
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Spoiler: totadileplayz ISONAI. Not explicitly random but basically random. I'm not sure how to feel about them knocking D1 analysis, especially given how eventful D1s have been of late.
Totadile is the first to bring up the vortexer as a possibility, as a reason that the plan might not be great and tbh I'm kinda in agreement. I wouldn't necessarily expect town to just go along with it, but I agree with the sentiment that one person trying to direct all of town's early-game power usage is risky behavior. It's a bad plan, and I don't think pointing out that it's a bad plan is wolfy.
The last sentence seems weirdly worded to me, but it's not really alignment-indicative weird, just..."ensorcelled", really?
The explanation is just more of the same. At least as of now, I don't think putting forward a bad plan is a mark against JeenLeen necessarily, but I can definitely understand why tot seems to think otherwise.
Null read. Honestly, there's not much here to analyze, and what is here is more or less what anybody could do in reaction to the plan as it's been laid out. If there's to be a tot lynch, I'd expect it to be more for gathering information on others rather than people finding tot suspicious.Last edited by AvatarVecna; 2021-05-08 at 02:14 AM.
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Yu-Gi-Oh!
Were the tie rules stated anywhere?
Debating claiming, since I'm going to bed within 15 min and I won't be awake for EOD. Not sure how helpful it'll really be since wolves get a list of unused town roles, but if there's a high chance of my being lynched I'd rather give people that information first.
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2021-05-08, 02:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: JeenLeen ISORight out the gate with some mechanical thoughts and questions. I'm jiving with most of it. I can maybe see the focus on what wolves are in the game and the confidence about those three hinting at JL having inside info, except I frankly feel that's a kinda obvious conclusion and I suspect everybody else was thinking the same thing before the thread was made. Townie points.
If JL is still alive D2, I'd like to here about the initial fake-claim plan, partially for my own amusement but also to get some insight into JL's thought process at the time.
NAI. Easy for a wolf to call out the first wagon formed.
*takes notes on what role JL might be*
A good bit of thoughts here, mostly mechanical stuff though. But then, it's still early-game, there's not much conversation to analyze. Of course, I think there's still not enough conversation to analyze even now, but that's neither here nor there.
I've underlined the parts I find worth commenting on - it's a big post and it's half past 2am, cut me some slack.
1: I never like seeing anything along the lines of "I know this looks wolfy but". It's too easy as a TWTBW and it feels weird for a townie to say.
2: More of the same.
3: The way the post is set-up mostly flows normal. This one feels odd, though: the sentence makes sense as part of the paragraph a line above it, it feels like an unfinished thought. Like, the whole paragraph looks like this to me:
If X occurred, then Y logically follows.
X did not occur.
If X occurred, then Y logically follows. Since X did not occur, then Y doesn't track.
4: I've seen more than a few things that I felt were more townie moves than scum by a decent margin, I think it's weird you think it's mostly been neutral?
Overall, slight wolf lean on this post. It's just really rubbing me the wrong way.
...slight townie points. This feels less like a wolf trying to sell town on a bad plan and more a townie trying to salvage a bad plan.
NAI, easy question anybody could ask, and I've already given JL credit for trying to salvage the plan.
Slight townie points. I appreciate JL realizing that some questions don't need to be answered publicly.
On the one hand, seeing wolves everywhere is a townie sign. And JL's explanations for why they're pinging his scumdar track with me.
On the other hand, that underlined bit in there? That's showing where one sentence got cut off and come back to later. Weak scumlean for what honestly looks like a possible wolf edit. It'd be a stronger lean if the way the sentence was heading would lead to saying the wrong thing maybe, but it just seems like a mistake more than anything, and one that tends to plague scum slightly more than townies.
NAI.
1) While I can see what you're saying about tot flipping scum making Murska look good, I'll also say that I'll only be convinced Murska is town when the narrator tells me so via pure mechanical text.
2) The point made about Cao being quiet actually reminded me that totadile has been pretty quiet. Not just overall (well, their posting speed is about on par with Stranger Things, but much slower than in Upick), but I don't think they've posted in over 24 hours?
3) I've previously made my case for how vigilante shots are more often than not a detriment for town outside of the sole fact that they give town slightly more control over who's dead than they'd otherwise have. I'd be more comfortable if the vig shot was decided by town. So, I kinda agree with the idea that, if Kaiba is present and willing to take a shot, they should shoot the wagon that doesn't die today. However, I'd also like to tack on a caveat: if the person who dies today flips scum, Kaiba shouldn't shoot the other wagon, they were the counterwagon to a wolf.
Urgh. There's a good bit of good and a good bit of bad here. Overall, null, but leaning a bit more towards town because there's a lot of effort going in and it just generally feels earnest.
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Spoiler: gac3 ISONAI.
Good question. Slight townie points.
Murska is most definitely not a new player - very experienced, and very good. I can't really say that Murska pushing for wagons is a scumsign or townsign, though - I've never been good at reading them.
Most of the rest of this post is...fine. Not necessarily conclusions I agree with, but could see most anybody saying these things. Have seen others make the same points, in fact.
Biggest issue I have with this post: Gac has posted after everything that's gone down, and still hasn't seen anything suspicious enough to warrant voting somebody besides RA. And I mean...I get it, I dislike inactives too. But we're getting close to EoD at this point, and that wagon clearly isn't happening.
That actually reminds me of a small mistake I noticed while doing my tot ISO, I'll make sure to bring it up once I escape the spoiler.
"I suspect Murska is a wolf" is one of the most generic NAI statements a person could make. I still don't feel good about the vote lingering on RA.
There's not very much here, even if we count vague musings on who gac suspects.
Null, but probably slight wolf lean. I initially expected that gac just wouldn't have many posts, but turns out they've got solid activity despite not saying very much at all. Makes me worry they're talking to seem busy and are keeping from being noticed due to all the drama.
EDIT: I said I'd come back to the mistake I noticed, and then I forgot. Argh!
Okay so, the way I do ISOs is Ctrl+F for a person's name and search through. Well I did that for totadile and found that in a few of Cao's vote counts, they'd counted votes for Cao in two separate lines:
To quote gac:
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Spoiler: Book Wombat ISO
Barely any posts, and barely any actual content. Not that that's surprising...null lean, slightly leaning wolf cuz could be trying to fly under the radar.
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Spoiler: Valmark ISONAI, this is what Valmark does: votes the first person who doesn't have a vote. My bad for forgetting initially.
Valid question, but NAI.
NAI.
This doesn't particualrly feel wolfy or towny to me, which seems to be the pattern with valmark so far.
This is the most substantial post so far, and there's not even really that much to it. Elenna is being voted for doing something she's no longer doing, which gac is still doing at this point.
Null read, not sure how to feel about Valmark.
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Spoiler: Murska ISOCould've just randvoted and let someone else kick things into gear, but that's not really his style. Looks a lil townie on others, but NAI cuz its Murska.
These are explaining the vote choice in more detail, and given overall behavior I suspect something similar to what I've seen in a previous game but I'll keep that to myself for now.
I disagree about totadile. Calling out a plan that involves telling half of town to target one person as being risky is something worth saying, worth expanding on with explanations like tot did. I don't necessarily suspect a JL/Murska scumteam, I just think it's weird to see shade in tot's post.
TWTBW is a thing - looking so suspicious that nobody could possibly believe a wolf would be that sloppy. Of course, that gets into WIFOM thinking...
I don't think JL's proposed plan is necessarily coming from a desire to trick town, but also I don't think that wolf gambits are solely limited to telling town actually good strategies to use.
This post feels weird but I can't put my finger on why. Like...a wolf can pretend to like a flawed plan put forth by a townie. Keeping quiet and letting town screw themselves with bad plans is an easy play for wolves. And from an outside perspective, the townie who thinks well of the plan and the wolf who pretends to think well of it both look the same.
Seconded, I'm glad somebody is pushing for real wagons and doing analysis.
The Murska Constant is what it is. I'm pretty sure this whole ISO is being biased by it but I don't care cuz you're a scary player and I can't bring myself to just trust you.
You can learn from others defending them. RA is frequently inactive, and wolves can benefit from an inactive wolf: they don't do anything to out you or to draw attention, they'll never bus you, and as long as they don't get autolynched they still count towards team totals for determining when wolves "control the lynch". (Of course, that last bit depends on the narrator in a couple ways, but yeah)
But in general, lynching an inactive is really only something to do when there's not really any better leads, and we've got more than a couple candidates worth voting for.
Null read. It all looks suspicious to me, and I honestly can't tell if that's because it's actually suspicious or if I'm just psyching myself out.Last edited by AvatarVecna; 2021-05-08 at 03:12 AM.
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2021-05-08, 03:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Yu-Gi-Oh!
Read list from towniest to scummiest:
Apogee1
JeenLeen
Valmark
totadileplayz
rogue_alchemist
Book Wombat
gac3
Murska
BatCatHat
CaoimhinTheCape
Elenna
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It's telling that even if I were removed from the list, a full half of the players look scummier than the literal inactive.
Of the three wagons that have an actual chance at getting lynched today, Elenna is the only one I'm scumreading, but also the only one that's claimed, and I really don't like how her wagon popped up real sudden-like. Totadileplayz is a neutral read currently; if they show up again today (and that absence really isn't making them look better), they'll almost certainly switch from JL to Elenna to save their skin (regardless of alignment). But lynching totadile will give us info on the other lynches happening today, given insight into arguments made involving them (even if their involvement was pretty limited). JeenLeen is the towniest read of the three, but even then JL still has a good bit of shady stuff in the ISO, and voting JL puts them in the running properly. The only thing I'm really certain about is that I'd like gac3 and rogue_alchemist to hop on a real wagon and give their reasons for doing so.
Going with my gut and voting Elenna. I could be talked into either of the other two with a good argument, though, and I'd definitely like to see totadile claim if he wants to be properly in the clear.
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Yu-Gi-Oh!
Well Elena has a claim.not a very fancy claim but it is still one.
Do we know the tie rules? I know Elena asked, but i haven't seen an answer and will double check the first post again after this.
For now I'll go with Jeenleen to put them closer to the other wagons, puts them one behind I believe. Will update if I see new developments.
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Mmm... I don't think I want to lynch the only claimed (could be false but still) player currently present, especially since claiming also means that a Seer could choose to verify it (...and also a Fool, so it's not such a good verification) but I also don't have anybody else I suspect.
As such I guess I'll throw a vote ontotalediplayz(did I write it correctly?) and hope that Elenna has something to show for it in the morning. Or that somebody else can prove/deny her claim.
JeenLeen feels towny in the way he writes, I'd rather keep him around.
@AV what's gac3 doing that Elenna isn't anymore? I went back to check the posts but I couldn't understand what you meant.Last edited by Valmark; 2021-05-08 at 08:21 AM.
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Update: I did not find tie rules. So it's either random between the two or the first to reach that, which would be totadileplayz
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Update: my update was ninja'd. Now totadileplayz is up by two? And Jeen and Elena are tied for second?
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Question: why were people expecting low activity from me? Is that what I normally do?
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Yu-Gi-Oh!
Elenna I've kinda been bedridden lately so no I havent been keeping up on this. But I do at least know I'm town, so I'd rather try to hopefully get a wolf today. Even if I dont get the reasoning.
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Oh and right I'm the seer. Dont know if I'm a fool or not, bit I am either one of them.Last edited by totadileplayz; 2021-05-08 at 08:34 AM.
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Yeah, my issue is that while it could be fake or the Fool it could also be the Seer for all I know. I'd rather not risk it.
I honestly don't want to lynch Jeen and I think leaving Elenna alive for the scriers to be able to confirm her identity and which are they is useful, so... Neither of the two wagons appeal to me.
(Yes, obviously they could get redirected or not do it, but having the possibility feels like a decent idea).
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Yu-Gi-Oh!
I agree about not lynching totadile. But wanted to keep it in mind for later, if it becomes an issue.
My concern is that starting a new wagon might be hard. My estimations put the phase at ending in about two hours? Though I could be wrong because I'm a little iffy on when official start was. The first non Xi posts were about two hours from now two days ago if I remember right.
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Current count if the last count was accurate:
totadileplayz (4): BookWombat, Murska, Elenna, JeenLeen
JeenLeen (2): , BatCatHat gac3
Elenna (4): Apogee1, totadileplayz, CaoimhinTheCape avatarvecna
No vote: valmark, rogue_alchemistLast edited by gac3; 2021-05-08 at 08:48 AM.
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Yu-Gi-Oh!
Hmm. Well, we don't have very solid claims from the top wagons but they are claims. I'd rather not push either of them.
Perhaps a quick wagon swap back to CaoimhinTheCape - they didn't get traction early in the day, but perhaps they will now that it's late.