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2019-09-14, 03:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Converting a construct into an organic creature without losing abilities?
Hey there,
It's pretty much all in the title. I know of Incarnate Construct and I've read all of the shenanigans tied to that. I was just wondering if there was some way, no matter how roundabout or wacky, to do something similar without removing the things that made that entity special? I get the type change and maybe the loss of immunities, obviously.
This is more a theoretical question I had so any level of optimization and basically anything not homebrew is in play.
Just as an example, the idea is to take something like a Shadesteel golem and turn that into a...Humanoid? Giant? Monstrous humanoid? And that (insert type here) still has non-construct specific abilities of that Shadesteel golem.
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2019-09-15, 12:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Converting a construct into an organic creature without losing abilities?
Is soulfused construct close enough? That will get you the Living Construct subtype and all the changes in traits that goes with it, so a number of construct immunities are out. You're definitely living now, and you can benefit from consumables so that seems pretty organic.
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2019-09-15, 03:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Converting a construct into an organic creature without losing abilities?
Probably pretty close if the construct in question is already one composed of living parts. IIRC the example monster was already like that? I know there's other constructs built similarly.
Not exactly what I was looking for but I wasn't expecting to get a perfect answer anyway.
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2019-09-15, 04:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-15, 04:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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What you need is a Blue Fairy.
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2019-09-15, 05:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Converting a construct into an organic creature without losing abilities?
I did look at the SS content and it gets a little rocky. Some of it is REALLY open ended. It's still dangerous terrain even with all of this being completely theoretically and not intended for some sort of game.
That said, It'd make an interesting backstory for new races now that I'm thinking about it a bit more.
At that point it'd feel like some divine intervention. Also, mechanically speaking, probably just the same as animating a puppet then using incarnate construct anyway.
Makes me wonder where the Blue Fairy fits into the Disney cosmology.
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2019-09-16, 04:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Converting a construct into an organic creature without losing abilities?
Well, Corrupted by the Abyss (EttDP) can turn any corporeal creature into an Aberration, including golems.
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2019-09-16, 05:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Converting a construct into an organic creature without losing abilities?
Polymorph Any Object; When you're in an Antimagic Field you regain your construct form.
Stone Body does give you some construct traits for the duration of the spell. Persist it daily.
The half-construct template although it turns you evil and the interpretation does imply your character becomes an NPC.
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2019-09-16, 11:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-16, 11:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Converting a construct into an organic creature without losing abilities?
A permanent custom magic item of Greater Humanoid essence plus a bunch of other items that mimic a Construct's native type immunities is the best I can think of.
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2019-09-17, 09:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Converting a construct into an organic creature without losing abilities?
Do you know about the origin of Hellforged Devils (Dragon #306)?
In the past, it were Constructs who worked in the Nine Hells; over ages, they turned into Devils. Shadesteel Devil - how it sound?
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2019-09-17, 12:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Converting a construct into an organic creature without losing abilities?
Not quite organic but there is the awaken construct spell in the spell compendium. Just gives full mentals to any construct. It is SR yes and will negates, but dweomerkeeper or some such gets around that if needed. Also wish is a thing.
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2019-09-17, 09:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Converting a construct into an organic creature without losing abilities?
That's a really weird template interaction. Cool but weird.
I'm not looking for just construct traits. I'm looking at the special abilities that are specifically called out as being removed by things like Incarnate Construct. Like in the earlier example the negatie energy burst and such of a Shadesteel golem. Or it's flight.
I hadn't heard of those before. I'll have to see if I have that issue.
That fixes the issues of abilities scores.
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2019-09-17, 09:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Converting a construct into an organic creature without losing abilities?
If you apply the Corrupted by the Abyss template to an Awakened Shadesteel Golem, it is a living creature (albeit with no Con score), with Int, Wis and Cha scores. It also retains most of it's special qualities (DR, immunity to magic, negative pulse wave etc. It is no longer a Construct, so will lose a lot of immunities, but due to having Con --, retains immunity to ability damage, ability drain, energy drain, and most effects that require a Fort save.
Short of being a Living Construct (or the Incarnate Construct template), probably the closest RAW you'll get to a functional, organic Golem.My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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2019-09-18, 04:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Converting a construct into an organic creature without losing abilities?
A similar effect can be achieved by casting Greater Humanoid Essence on the construct in question and then Nar Fiendbond. Slightly more convoluted, but it has the upside of being achievable in-game, by anyone able to cast 7th-level Cleric spells.
Of course, the resultant creature will be an Outsider, not an Aberration. There may be other type-changing-template-bestowing spells that also work for this method, but I'm not aware of them.
Nar Fiendbond isn't even an [Evil] spell, so even a good Cleric could do this, though it's probably still an evil act as it creates a half-fiend. It also carries an XP cost of 500 XP per character level of the half-fiend created, so that's another downside.
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2019-09-21, 04:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Converting a construct into an organic creature without losing abilities?
Corrupted by the Abyss Soulfused Awakened (Insert construct here). Weird mix but yeah.
Hadn't thought of any of these. I know Holy Transformation (unless I'm misremembering the name) gives the Archon type/subtype bit I think it's temporary.
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2019-09-21, 05:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Converting a construct into an organic creature without losing abilities?
"Transforming" PrC may do it:
Thrall of Zuggtmoy (Dragon #337) slowly replaces thrall's body with fungal matter, so, at the capstone, it's nothing but fungi - inside and outside; fungi are alive, right?
If Elementals are "alive enough for you", you may use Elemental Savant PrC (Although, since the thread's name says "organic", you may be forced to use one of those Elementals. )
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2019-09-21, 07:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-21, 08:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Converting a construct into an organic creature without losing abilities?
For what it's worth the Pathfinder Worm That Walks template doesn't care what type you are before application and turns you into bio matter once applied.
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2019-09-22, 09:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Casting stone to flesh on a stone golem turns it into a flesh golem?
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2019-09-22, 10:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-22, 11:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Converting a construct into an organic creature without losing abilities?
Replace all body parts with fleshy grafts like a reverse Tin Woodsman maybe?
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No. Nevermind. The Graft Fleshmdescri[tion specifies the recipients must be livingLast edited by Bohandas; 2019-09-23 at 12:42 AM.
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2019-09-23, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-09-23, 08:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Converting a construct into an organic creature without losing abilities?
That's all sorts of weird and I love it. Something I'd pull as a DM.
Good mix with the other stuff already mentioned tacked on. Too bad it doesn't work on an Elder Eidolon.
Prior to hearing the suggestion I wouldn't have thought it was possible at all. Buuuttt this is all a sort of theoretical discussion.
Soulfused construct template and/or corrupted by the abyss template would probably count for making it a living creature.
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2019-09-23, 11:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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