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2018-08-28, 10:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
Xykon: [to the MitD] We're seriously evil badasses here. I'm a mighty lich sorcerer, Redcloak is high priest of his evil goblin deity, and you — well, we all know how powerful you are.
Apart from his phylactery(s) and the inability to enjoy food, does Xykon thinks he has flaws or missing skills ?
There are multiple posts on his stats and people put his as wise and very intelligent[1]
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...438-OOTS-stats
But does Xykon see he has any flaw ? and if he did would he do anything about it ?
[1] Although he seems not to have all of the wisdom (eg not all of willpower, common sense, perception, and intuition)) and the intelligence characteristics (eg not all of mental acuity, accuracy of recall, and the ability to reason)
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2018-08-28, 10:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
I think that Xykon see nothing as his missing skill, as it was when he was young and alive.
For him, the only skill you need is the ability to destroy with fire - sometime with lightning - you need nothing more. Power equals power, after all, and he has lots of power. He may even be the single most powerfull being in the oots-universe, exept the gods, for what we know.
For what we think is his flaw, I say it's arrogance. He think that his allies can betray him, but he think that when it will be, he'll have everything under control. Will it be true?
Soon Kim and his ghost martyr, and Darth V, almost killed him for the same reason: he never think there is someone playing in the same league he is.
And the reason why team evil is so strong is that Redcloak is quite the opposite, he compensates.
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2018-08-28, 11:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
I don't think his flaw is his arrogance, because he has the power to back it up, but his lack of caring. He's content with believing the leash he has on Redcloak and MitD is tight enough to keep them docile. We know Redcloak is subtly manipulating him into doing some things he wants, although that little dynamic has been disturbed by V's attack and the subsequent loss of his phylactery. Dunno how much he's wizened up to Redcloak's plans, but it's a fair guess that the last book will handle all those plot points.
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2018-08-28, 02:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
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2018-08-28, 04:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
In SoD he admits that he gets bored easily and has no interest in strategy or tactics or contingency planning. But that's okay because "there's always a level of force against which no tactics can succeed".
It's possible he sees his ability to dominate the likes of Redcloak, who is more tactically-minded, as compensating for his own lack of interest in such things, although if that's the case he certainly doesn't let on in front of him.
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2018-08-28, 10:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
Not having enough minions to sacrifice.
Wolfen Houndog - The World in Revolt (4e)
The Mythic Warrior, a 3.5 base class that severs limbs and sunders armor
The Nameless One, converted to 3.5 and 5e
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2018-08-29, 03:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
He'll probably say his biggest weakness is minions that let him down, like how Redcloak nearly cost him his phylactery.
His biggest weakness is minions that will let him down, like MitD persuading him to leave the Order alone."They couldn't know that the points from the mainline to the siding were frozen, and the signal should have been set at 'DANGER', but snow had forced it down."
- The Flying Kipper
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2018-08-29, 01:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
It's hard to say what Xykon thinks his own personal flaw is. He's immune to cold, electricity, fire, non-magical damage, polymorph, mind-affecting spells, poison, sleep, paralysis, disease, stun, death effects, critical hits, ability drain, energy drain, nonlethal damage, and suffocation.
Seriously, if Xykon is not that level of force against which no tactics succeed — and we hope not, otherwise it could be an unhappy ending for the Order — what tactics would? V will probably have to use ... SONIC!!The Giant says: Yes, I am aware TV Tropes exists as a website. ... No, I have never decided to do something in the comic because it was listed on TV Tropes. I don't use it as a checklist for ideas ... and I have never intentionally referenced it in any way.
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2018-08-29, 03:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
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Currently playing a level 20 aasimar necromancer named Zebulun Salathiel and a level 9 goliath diviner named Lo-Kag.
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2018-08-29, 04:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
Someone's already said this, but Xykon did basically list out some of his flaws, but in the same (figurative) breath he declared them all irrelevant. So, arrogance is the underlying flaw there. Xykon is also, like Tarquin, a control freak who flips out when things aren't going his way (see: the V/O-Chul phylactery debacle).
Even the wind will know agony.
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2018-08-29, 05:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
Regarding the MitD, I think that is missing the key point of that scene.
IMO Xykon understood perfectly well that what the MitD was saying could be hooey. But accepting an argument with obvious holes to overrule Redcloak is much more humiliating to Redcloak than overruling based on a genuinely strong argument. In the moment, Xykon thought the positive value of putting Redcloak in his place via humiliation was well worth the minor strategic risk of not bothering to murder a few dogooder punks.
In a sense, Xykon was acting on a correct insight: the greatest risk to his personal plans is Redcloak.
Xykon is savvy enough to knock people off their game and prevail (e.g. Lirian, Dorukan, DarthV), but does not have what it takes to outplay someone who is a genuinely skilled planner (e.g. Soon, Redcloak). The main point of believing the MitD is to put Redcloak off his game. Unfortunately for Xykon, he failed to understand how clever his opponent here (Redcloak) really is.I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
Using my Bardic skills I see the fate of Belkar...so close!
Using my Bardic skills I see the fate of goblinkind!
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2018-08-30, 01:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
Well the way I see that he sees it, the biggest vulnerability in his scheme that doesn't revolve around D&D stats - because yeah, that monk Belkar replaced in Origin of PCs would have done more damage to Xykon on the dragon than Roy, but that's not interesting - is he has to rely on people who aren't necessarily 100% aligned with him. He kinda sees the danger with Redcloak, active schemer, but MitD developing a mind of his own seems to have flown under his radar.
"They couldn't know that the points from the mainline to the siding were frozen, and the signal should have been set at 'DANGER', but snow had forced it down."
- The Flying Kipper
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2018-08-30, 05:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
Speaking of him doing stuff about weaknesses, in start of darkness
Spoiler: Start of Darkness
There is the whole thing about him being vulnerable to positive energy sneak attacks or whatever. We later find out that he got an item to block it.
So it's safe to say, being undead has some weaknesses to it. Heal spells and such. Do liches have weakness to sunlight? Don't recall.
I disagree entirely. Xykon is always playing around until he realizes there's an actual threat. He was playing around with Roy till he pissed him off then killed him in Azure City.
He was probably going to play with him too in the dungeon, but once he heard the sword can actually kill him? He instantly zapped it.
Darth V? Same thing. As soon as it's clear they are a threat, he even says he'll do what it takes - which includes taking strategy tips from Redcloak.
This is actually very true. Redcloak is the master strategist between those two. He just doesn't have the fire power that Xykon has.
And this was pointed out time and time again. Even the rune traps in their throne room was Redcloak's idea.
To be more specific here, he actually doesn't think his leash on Redcloak is strong enough which is exactly why he is taking many steps to compensate. He sent Tsukiko to find out if Redcloak is hiding something in the ritual (which is true).
He specifically took the holy symbol away from him because he doesn't trust him with it (and he's right about that).
Even in start of darkness
Spoiler: Start of Darkness
He not only tests Redcloak with the killing of his brother, but he also makes sure to put the geas on the monster in the dark.
My guess is that Xykon is extremely suspicious especially because of Tsukiko's death.
It's also pretty much a given after the strategy session with Redcloak before the azure city battle.
Forget that... There was that gate of Lirian that "somehow" blew up.
Or failing to kill them when he could, when Belkar and Haley grabbed Roy's body after the battle.
V would still cast the familicide but Roy wouldn't be there to destroy Girard's gate.
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2018-08-30, 12:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
Okay, that is a good point.
As I see it, Xykon is working on the assumption that the MitD is unreliable for various reasons, but he does sometimes listen while not trusting. Xykon probably rates this lack of reliability as a random and unfocused thing that washes out in the end.
That the MitD might have a personal agenda and has figured out how to manipulate Xykon at times, in spite of not being trusted, that has definitely "flown under his radar".
Xykon likes to play the fool to encourage people to underestimate him. Unfortunately for him, he has completely underestimated Redcloak and MitD.I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
Using my Bardic skills I see the fate of Belkar...so close!
Using my Bardic skills I see the fate of goblinkind!
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2018-09-05, 01:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
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2018-09-06, 01:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
Xykon has one singular weakness.
He just can't enjoy a bad cup of coffee anymore.
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2018-09-06, 03:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
So MitD is a barista ? (so the M in MitD stands for Melbourne or Maybe monster in the Dark Roast ?)
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2018-09-06, 08:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-09-06, 08:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
Attention LotR fans
Spoiler: LotRThe scouring of the Shire never happened. That's right. After reading books I, II, and III, I stopped reading when the One Ring was thrown into Mount Doom. The story ends there. Nothing worthwhile happened afterwards. Middle-Earth was saved.
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2018-09-06, 10:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
Having no way to entertain himself other than killing and hurting other people. He had nothing else, no sex, no coffee, no meals, nothing he used to enjoy in his previous life.
Spoiler
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2018-09-06, 11:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Currently playing a level 20 aasimar necromancer named Zebulun Salathiel and a level 9 goliath diviner named Lo-Kag.
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2018-09-06, 11:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-09-06, 11:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
As an 8th level spell, this might prove more difficult for him to learn, but what about Polymorph Any Object? It doesn't seem to have the same limitations that polymorph does, since it can also target objects and has a different target than Polymorph does. The majority of links I can find online on the subject seem to back this interpretation up.
Number of Character Appearances VII - To Absent Friends
Currently playing a level 20 aasimar necromancer named Zebulun Salathiel and a level 9 goliath diviner named Lo-Kag.
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2018-09-06, 11:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
Well undead traits do say that as long as the spell can affect objects, it would work on them. But as Xykon is a sorcerer, if he doesn't already know the spell, he can't learn it until he levels up, which he could do now that he's fighting stuff that gives him XP, but it probably never dawned on him that it might be possible.
Would be my theory anyway.
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2018-09-06, 12:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
Not to go all R rated here... But why is that exactly?
Tsukiko clearly was making moves on him and he said he wasn't a "biophiliac", which sure it was a joke (and a hilarious one at that) but it does seem to imply that some undead to have the... dance with no pants alongside living beings.
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2018-09-06, 05:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
Using my Bardic skills I see the fate of Belkar...so close!
Using my Bardic skills I see the fate of goblinkind!
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2018-09-06, 08:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-09-08, 02:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-09-08, 05:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What does Xykon see as his flaw or missing skill?
Only when cast by others:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/lich.htm
Immunities (Ex)
Liches have immunity to cold, electricity, polymorph (though they can use polymorph effects on themselves), and mind-affecting attacks.Marut-2 Avatar by Serpentine
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2018-09-08, 07:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Attention LotR fans
Spoiler: LotRThe scouring of the Shire never happened. That's right. After reading books I, II, and III, I stopped reading when the One Ring was thrown into Mount Doom. The story ends there. Nothing worthwhile happened afterwards. Middle-Earth was saved.