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2008-09-29, 11:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
I agree that V probably doesn't have a thing for Haley, but homosexuality is not a new concept for this comic, and Haley does have a latent bisexual side, so V having a thing for Haley would in no way clearly define his gender.
Unholy blight effects neutral characters as well, though.
You, sir, have won this thread.Last edited by Finwe; 2008-09-29 at 11:50 PM.
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2008-09-29, 11:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
i don't think that sucha a deep main character like V will just be thrown aside.
besides, killing a villain so the friggin bard could help him find their partners is far from evil. its just chaotic. and threatening a friend is kinda usual. i knew he/she wouldnt kill elan. I may be plain wrong, but V just want to find his mates again, bring roy back to life and find belkar and haley so they can destroy the friggin xykon and save the world.
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2008-09-29, 11:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-09-30, 12:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-09-30, 12:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
Assuming that V is upset at Elan for perceived disloyalty to Haley, I kind of wonder if V's spouse cheated, which is why they aren't currently together. Would certainly make V protective of others' relationships, even aside from the fact that V seems to be better friends with Haley than anyone else.
Idle speculation, I know, but...
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2008-09-30, 12:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
What civil war? A civil war would be open, armed conflict between 2 or more parties within AC society. That's not what's been happening--rather, they've had political scheming and fighting in the shadows (assassination attempts behind closed doors, as it were, not in public). Given that Shojo had feigned senility for years to avoid assassination attempts, it would seem that is just politics as usual in AC. If there's a civil war, it's one that V's actions just started.
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2008-09-30, 12:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
Actually, comic #53 also leans towards the "V was Good" argument, unless Neutrals can have "pure hearts."
Still, it's hard for me to accept that someone who casually inflicts pain on others (and sometimes calculatedly) and can freak out two CG people with ease (even as a "hypothetical") can really be of a Good alignment.
Maybe V was NG at some point, but not since the end of Book 1. Personally, I think #11 was done purely for the lulzLead Designer for Oracle Hunter GamesToday a Blog, Tomorrow a Business!
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2008-09-30, 02:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
You presume.
Presumably, that is what you meant.
And Kabuto is part of the AC citizenry. On an American boat a British subject would not be required to obey american law. An american could be (by virtue of you have agreed to abide by the rules and regultions of your home country)
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2008-09-30, 02:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-09-30, 02:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-09-30, 03:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
According to
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/unholyBlight.htm
it does in fact affect neutrals.
"Only good and neutral (not evil) creatures are harmed by the spell."
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2008-09-30, 03:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
Not sure if it has been said yet, but V trying to cast a spell within Elan's stabbing distance isn't really smart either. "Disente"*stab**fizzle*
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2008-09-30, 05:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
Yes, but David was talking about getting sick:
From the SRD
The spell deals only half damage to creatures who are neither evil nor good, and they are not sickened.Last edited by teratorn; 2008-09-30 at 05:41 AM.
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2008-09-30, 06:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
And the alignment keeps on slippin' south, ladies and gentlemen!
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2008-09-30, 06:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
Yes, pretty much. The ships are are clearly still running under the authority and laws of Azure City. If they were not because "that's a crime in Azure City, but this isn't AC is it, so your law doesn't apply" then the way the various characters have been behaving wouldn't make sense.
I'm fairly sure in the second part it is a bit more complicated then that. This isn't some sort of diplomatic immunity we are talking about.
Now, say someone is not a legal citizen of your nation when they are on your ship and they break a law like, say, committing a murder (as legally defined by your nation). There are still laws that apply. You don't have to sigh sadly and say "sorry guys, we can't do anything legal to him, he's from Overthere while we're from Somewhere. He's just not bound by our laws."
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I guess it depends on how "pure heart" is defined. If a rogue (granted a very nice rogue) can be pure hearted, then neutrals can probably have a pure heart as well.Last edited by Dr. Cthulwho; 2008-09-30 at 07:17 AM.
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2008-09-30, 06:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
Well yeah. If you were an American on a British ship or visa versa, you still have to abide by the law. If you killed someone, then who gives a rat's rear where you're from. You still need to face justice. (Although your country would probably work with the other natio to make sure you had a fair trial)
V's not from Azure City, but if he broke a law, he still needs to face justice.
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2008-09-30, 08:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
Possible…perhaps V’s angry for having a mate and therefore being unable to pursue Haley, who is happy with Elan even though the bard is always wrapped in the arms of some bandit or police officer. However, V & Red are bunkmates who on occasion compare their, um..jewels…
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2008-09-30, 11:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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2008-09-30, 12:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
Has anyone else considered the possibility that some of the Order are going to be replaced? We know Belkar's on his way out the door (even if it'll take him a while to hobble there), but we know Durkon's days are numbered, too. V's behavior's into uncharted territory as well, and there's still the lingering possibility that Roy may not be coming back (the Giant's certainly laid evidence along those lines, starting with 496 and continuing up until the potential defiling of the corpse). Hinjo, Julia, and Celia have all already been introduced, have some potential for replacing the story and personality dynamic roles lost, while having motivations for joining the team.
Does anyone here seriously think that Nale wouldn't be tickled pink at this last comic, and try to recruit V? Does anyone think that if V were to truly fall, V wouldn't accept (albeit with the conscious decision to manipulate the Linear Guild from Nale's control)?
PS: V's eyes appear to be enpinkened, not red. I think the Giant intends us to view this as a very obvious point that V's losing it, but is not yet lost.Last edited by San Diablo; 2008-09-30 at 12:05 PM.
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2008-09-30, 12:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
How about this.
Elan showed V how poor (and dangerous morally) his reasoning was by showing Belkar agreeing with this train of thought.
V wanted to show Elan that if V were like Belkar, Elan would now be geography, because Belkar would have killed Elan to stop him being arrested. When it looks like Elan won't get it, V gives up trying to explain.
Must V still be Evil?
Does that not cover everything we witnessed in this strip?
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2008-09-30, 12:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
I agree, and think even an evil character can have a "pure heart" under the right circumstances. In that context, it's less about good/evil and more about what the character's intentions are for activating the sigil. The Linear Guild certainly had unpure hearts when it came to the sigils, so they were excluded. The Stick, however, had good intentions (or lacked evil intentions), so they were good to go.
That said, I can't imagine Thog having any clue or intention as to why they needed to touch the sigils. So I may be wrong about the whole evil thing.
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2008-09-30, 12:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
I agree, there probably are circumstances where an evil character could be pure hearted if defined right. And I kind of think of Thog as being a bit like the MitD, probably not impure or evil in any real sense, but more as victims of the bad crowd they hang out with
But Nale was probably just being cautious in wanting Roy to touch the Sigil. I guess if you want the best chance to find someone pure of heart you start with good alignments and if necessary work through the neutrals and only go evil as a last resort.
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2008-09-30, 12:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
I don't follow the logic there. Celia just said "ONE of you with a pure heart..." She wasn't saying that they all had pure hearts, and considering Sabine and Zz'dtri were both in the group at the time, it would be absolute nonsense to imply that she was! (You'll also note that it was Haley, not V, who ended up touching the Air sigil).
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2008-09-30, 01:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
Celia expected that anyone who was searching for the sigils was only searching them for a good cause. She couldn't detect their aligment (unless she cast a Detect Aligment)
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2008-09-30, 01:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-09-30, 01:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
It doesn't really read like V is making any sort of comparisons with Belkar. As it was, if Elan is genuine, V's intimidation ploy proved to complex or unfathomable, so for V to be trying to influence Elan in the way you're suggesting would mean she was seriously overestimating Elan's deduction abilities.
It really looked pretty like what it was. V is saying "Ok Elan, we've just established I'm not acting appropriately or maybe even reasonably and will take serious steps to avoid distractions. So don't you think it would be foolish, considering my state of mind, to become a distraction yourself because.... I might do the same to you?!!"
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2008-09-30, 01:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hmm... I haven't been hyping the next update this much, ever since Roy was meteor blaster.
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2008-09-30, 01:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
And this is the Vaarsuvius we know and love. His use of sixty words to say "Can I have a cheeseburger?" is a clichè that rarely annoys.
But, it seems not a threat to me, just a way externalize frustration. It would very, very easy for Vaarsuvius to sum his threat in a non-confusing way, like "Elan, if you speak, I'll kill you". Both are intelligent enough to use and recognize a short live threat.
The last speech ("Take a cookie"), seems the way a known sarcastic character would say "I take back what I say, you are not worth an headache".
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2008-09-30, 01:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
Yeah. I think we're not seeing things from V's point of veiw.
My best bet is that the next comic we'll see V have a mental breakdown in his room as he tries to locate Haley and Roy once again.
V isn't Darth Vader. Just because s/he zapped one person doesn't mean s/he's now going to start zapping Hinjo's ship.
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2008-09-30, 02:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #597 - The Discussion Thread
Alignments change based on the actions of the characters. Even if one grants that V was once good (which is likely but not certain as of #11 and maybe the "pure of heart" episode as well), I think V's recent actions have been enough to ensure that V at least isn't good anymore, if not yet outright evil.
When you wake up, look in the mirror and see veiny skin and glowy eyes, you may not yet be evil, but you are sure as hell on your way there.
I think most people who are still defending V as being good aren't really interested in the effect V's actions would have on V's alignment, but rather are of the opinion that "evil is cool and good is dumb" and so simply want to defend characters the more evil that they start to get. It's pretty noticeable that most if not all of the recent defense of V as good comes from those with evil-looking avatars. Zombies, mind flayers, Cthulhus, evil Parsons, shadowy-glowy-eyed-things, etc seem overrepresented in the "V is still good" camp.