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2015-01-26, 02:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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How Would GitP players handle this?
A spellcaster of some sort appears in the sky one day, and takes 6 rounds and casts a bunch of fireballs into a major city. The fireballs kill a lot of people. Just as soon as they appeared, they vanished. There were some witnesses who said they might have seen a person dressed all in black appear in the sky, but did not see them shoot any fireballs.
Assuming that you can make a character no higher than level 8, using 3.5 core rules, with the Complete series, Book of 9 Swords, and Miniatures Handbook as sources, how would you go finding out who was responsible for this atrocity?
Note: This didn't actually happen exactly like this, but something close.
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2015-01-26, 03:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Nov 2012
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- Cambridge, MA
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Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
Druid, Cleric, Wizard, Sorcerer, Archivist, or Erudite 8.
I spam-cast Scrying till the fire balling person fails a will save. With what I see of their surroundings I spam cast Commune to find out just where their location is.
EDIT: scratch the Archivist and Erudite. I just realized they're on your no fly list.Last edited by (Un)Inspired; 2015-01-26 at 03:03 AM.
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2015-01-26, 03:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Dec 2010
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- Calgary, Alberta
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Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
That was my first thought as well, but I'm not sure if Scrying would work. Don't you need to have some connection to the person? I guess if there were none, they would get a +10 to their Will Save, but enough level 8 investigator Clerics and Sorcerers doing it and the culprit will probably roll a low save eventually.
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2015-01-26, 03:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Nov 2012
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- Cambridge, MA
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Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
amazing avatar of my favorite character, Gheera, by Pesimismrocks
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2015-01-26, 03:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Mar 2014
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- NC
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Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
From the SRD
Spoiler: Scrying
Scrying
Divination (Scrying)
Level: Brd 3, Clr 5, Drd 4, Sor/Wiz 4
Components: V, S, M/DF, F
Casting Time: 1 hour
Range: See text
Effect: Magical sensor
Duration: 1 min./level
Saving Throw: Will negates
Spell Resistance: Yes
You can see and hear some creature, which may be at any distance. If the subject succeeds on a Will save, the scrying attempt simply fails. The difficulty of the save depends on how well you know the subject and what sort of physical connection (if any) you have to that creature. Furthermore, if the subject is on another plane, it gets a +5 bonus on its Will save.
Knowledge Will Save Modifier None +10 Secondhand (you have heard of the subject) +5 Firsthand (you have met the subject) +0 Familiar (you know the subject well) -5 Connection Will Save Modifier Likeness or picture -2 Possession or garment -2 Body part, lock of hair, bit of nail, etc. -10
If the save fails, you can see and hear the subject and the subject’s immediate surroundings (approximately 10 feet in all directions of the subject). If the subject moves, the sensor follows at a speed of up to 150 feet.
As with all divination (scrying) spells, the sensor has your full visual acuity, including any magical effects. In addition, the following spells have a 5% chance per caster level of operating through the sensor: detect chaos, detect evil, detect good, detect law, detect magic, and message.
If the save succeeds, you can’t attempt to scry on that subject again for at least 24 hours.
Arcane Material Component
The eye of a hawk, an eagle, or a roc, plus nitric acid, copper, and zinc.
Wizard, Sorcerer, or Bard Focus
A mirror of finely wrought and highly polished silver costing not less than 1,000 gp. The mirror must be at least 2 feet by 4 feet.
Cleric Focus
A holy water font costing not less than 100 gp.
Druid Focus
A natural pool of water.
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2015-01-26, 03:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Nov 2012
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- Cambridge, MA
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2015-01-26, 03:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Jan 2012
Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
Unless they have a method of avoiding failure on 1.
Circle Dance would be a good method to locate the blaster (if they are on the same plane). You would need witnesses to cast the spell. Easiest way to do this would be to craft single-use items. Which is easiest to do as Artificer 8.
Or cast Commune / Contact Other Plane to learn if they'll attempt this again if so learn location and time of next attempt and preempt them then (again easiest as an Artificer).
EDIT: I forgot to explain why I included second plan. First one has many failure modes (DM not allowing custom items, suspect being able to teleport after I locate them, being far enough to make triangulation useles,...). When the second plan doesn't work I still have Commune /COP which gives me a good chance to locate the blaster (unless they are Vecna-blooded or Mindblank blocks my divinations).Last edited by ahenobarbi; 2015-01-26 at 04:16 AM.
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2015-01-26, 05:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Jan 2007
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- Sweden
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Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
I don't think being told about "A person wearing all black that possibly appeared in the sky and may or may not be associated with the fireballs" actually counts as second hand information. Considering the amount of bad guys wearing black and using bad tactics (blasting), you might end up scrying on a thousand different people.
Although being realistic, what the playground would ACTUALLY do is find the guy, then explain to him how fireballs are suboptimal and help him pick more optimal spells for terrorizing people. And we'd probably argue over what alignment his terrorizing was.
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2015-01-26, 05:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Sep 2011
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- Calgary, AB
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2015-01-26, 05:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Mar 2014
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- NC
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Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
bwahahaha... so spot on accurate too... "Look, I can see the value in wanting a fireball that looks cool, but really what you should do is switch to being a Whisper Gnome Illusionist, and go into Shadow Adept and then into Shadowcraft Mage, then cast Shadow Evocation Fireballs..."
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2015-01-26, 05:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Dec 2006
Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
Homebrew:
• Bewildering Bladesman
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2015-01-26, 06:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Jan 2007
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- Sweden
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Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
You are most welcome to (not that you were asking for my permission or anything )
I can actually imagine a bunch of playground regulars sitting in a fortress, monitoring events like the one the OP describede, and launching a quick-response optimization team when when the bad guy shows himself. When the bad guy tries to teleport out, he ends up in a conference room where Tippy is looking over his build and Red Fel is drawing a chart showing how he could increase terror inflicted by 128% by using the same amount of spell slots he's using now.
Half reality TV show, half intervention, all optimized!
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2015-01-26, 07:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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- May 2013
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2015-01-26, 07:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Feb 2014
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- Sovereign State of Denial
Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
1. Play a kobold psion.
2. You know the rest.
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2015-01-26, 07:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Dec 2013
Spoiler: Avatar & Iron Chef AwardsAwesome Dragonfire Bard Avatar by Oneris. A detailed version is here.
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2015-01-26, 08:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Mar 2014
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- NC
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Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
Tonight at 8e/7c, our new hit reality series, "Intervention, Optimized"! See such controversial topics as Travel Devotion versus Spirit Lion Totem, Psion versus Wizard, and finally, an interview with the all powerful Pun-Pun, with guest commentary by Madness McTarrasquekiller! All coming up tonight, after "Mythbusters"!
Because, you know, it would totally be on Discovery Channel
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2015-01-26, 09:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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- May 2013
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- Gainesville, GA
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Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
"See, how you destroy a city is using snowcasting flash frost fell drain Locate City. Not with Fireballs. Don't you know anything?"
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2015-01-26, 09:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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- May 2007
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- The Land of Cleves
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Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
OK, first off, the OP seems inconsistent:
A spellcaster of some sort appears in the sky one day, and takes 6 rounds and casts a bunch of fireballs into a major city.
But anyway, to investigate this, I'd start by making Gather Information checks about the victims, to try to find one who was known for being friendly, cooperative, and observant (in the process, I'd also try to find some connection between the victims, in case they weren't just random targets of opportunity, but that's a just-in-case). Then, I'd cast Speak with Dead on that victim. That should give me a much better description of the perp, as well as possibly some information on his MO. Repeat for as many other victims as I have spell slots available, to corroborate the information and fill in details.
I'd also contact any wizard's guilds, academies, etc. on the continent, and ask them if any of their members have recently become more reclusive than usual, or malcontent for some reason, or the like. Then I'd toss in some more Gather Information checks in the city, asking about people matching the caster's rough description who have disappeared recently, or around whom strange things have been happening lately, or possibly if someone matching that description has a relationship (possibly one recently gone sour) with anyone in the city.
I realize that I'm using abilities from two different classes here (Speak with Dead is a cleric-only spell, and they don't have Gather Information as a class skill). If we're allowed a party, make it a bard and a cleric. If it has to be a single character, then it's a cloistered cleric with a one-level dip in something with Gather Information. Take the dip on a later level, so we can dump all that level's skill points into Gather Information, and cut down on the number of cross-class ranks needed.Time travels in divers paces with divers persons.
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2015-01-26, 10:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Jan 2007
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- Sweden
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Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
Are they allowed to have shows that's not about building cars? Maybe warforged counts?
I was actually thinking more along the lines of "Pimp my ride" or "Queer eye...": "Tonight, our crack team of evil optimization experts meet their toughest challenge yet: a BBEG who just can't get it together!"
Originally Posted by CoDzilla the holy, PC party leaderOriginally Posted by Mook #385, minionOriginally Posted by Batelf, PC wizardOriginally Posted by Lord McEvilzors, BBEG
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2015-01-26, 10:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Apr 2007
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- A dungeon
Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
I would start by assuming the person flying was an illusion, then begin hunting down and killing the wizards at the local school. Once the GM gets tired of 1st level wizard fights I'll start asking them questions.
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2015-01-26, 10:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Jan 2015
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2015-01-26, 10:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Jan 2007
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- Sweden
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2015-01-26, 10:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Jan 2015
Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
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2015-01-26, 12:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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- May 2006
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- Siebenwind
Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
I might be the outlier here for not pulling some spells as a first option, but the dude must have some kind of motive, so my character would start investigating who this could have been. Check the local historians, mage guild, taverns for rumors. Try to find out if he targetet specific people or places, or if he appeared at a location with some history.
Basically, knowledge checks and social checks. Perhaps some bardic knowledge?Thanks for Zefir for the custom avatar.
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2015-01-26, 01:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Aug 2012
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- Austria
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Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
Fireballs? Why would he use Fireballs? If he wants to burn the town, he should wait two levels and throw blistering radiance. Sure, it isn't as much damage at once, but most people have neither the hp nor the fire resistane to survive it. And its radius is 250% that of fireball.
Now, if you are unwilling to wait two levels (or maybe one), there are some other options to terrorize a city we could use. Personally, I would use a good old fashioned Fell Drain, followed by flying away, until the wights can no longer reach me. Sure, it's not as personal as evocation, but has the potential to be far more damaging to the economy, morale and population.
Edit: And if you DO want Evoaction, it still doesn't have to be fireballs. In fact, I think you can have a Blistering Radiance look like a Fireball. I'm not sure where the passage is, but somewhere in the PHB or DMG it says that you can have a unique appearance for your spells.Last edited by Orderic; 2015-01-26 at 01:07 PM.
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Homebrew: Arcane Architect
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2015-01-26, 01:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Aug 2013
Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
This? This isn't a slice of brilliance. This is the whole freaking pie. (Admittedly, my specialization is more in thematics than spell mechanics, but I always appreciate the vote of confidence.)
We need to have a "Pimp My BBEG" thread now. Or a series of them. You know, DMs present villain concepts, and the Playground chips in with how to make the villain more mechanically sound, more thematically intimidating, better backstory, sample dialogue and descriptions, updated motivation... The works.
This is a thing that has to happen.
And Sam K should have a cookie. Sam? Go out and get a cookie. You've earned it.My headache medicine has a little "Ex" inscribed on the pill. It's not a brand name; it's an indicator that it works inside an Anti-Magic Field.
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My signature got too big for its britches. So now it's over here!
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2015-01-26, 01:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Jul 2010
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- Kitchener/Waterloo
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Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
If you can get to the scene within a minute, a Psion with Trace Teleport is a good first step. Similarly, getting there within a few minutes could let you use Detect Magic to pick up on any lingering auras, and their schools.
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2015-01-26, 01:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Aug 2013
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Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
Do you think we could make a challenge thread like the Iron Chef Optimization Challenge thread, would that work? I could throw some sample villains together, and the playground could make several villains with a few caveats that have to stick, like must be true to this concept.
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2015-01-26, 01:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How Would GitP players handle this?
amazing avatar of my favorite character, Gheera, by Pesimismrocks
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2015-01-26, 01:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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