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Thread: Crazier Idea Mafia
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2020-11-10, 07:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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I barely even feel like I need to argue with your point, because you're now getting called out as a liar by two separate people, but...
This argument didn't read to me like "nobody picks town over survivor, therefore Xihirli must be scum", it reads like "Xihirli doesn't pick town over survivor, therefore Xihirli must be scum". It's a very basic "if X then Y" argument. If X gets refuted, you can't say "well it applies in general tho, so Y is still correct".
And I'm not even saying I trust Xihirli just cuz you happen to have been double-called out. I'm just saying you can't point to a plank of wood and call it a table after the legs got sawed off. Those legs provided support that was integral to that plank of wood being a table, and without the legs it no longer is a table.
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RNGesus was right all along! I also roleblocked Apogee1 last night, I didn’t trust his claim, and I couldn’t think of any better targets
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2020-11-10, 08:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Trust in the divine guidance of RNGesus. It shall not lead you astray.
On another note, that certainly explains how Xihirli stayed alive. Unfortunately, none of the claims made are Town-exclusive, so pretty much anyone could be evil at this point.
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2020-11-10, 08:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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What if town is evil?
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2020-11-10, 09:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: CaoimhinTheCape ISOLet me summarize that back and forth a little bit:
Cao: "there's not much indication of what someone did pick based on their discard"
TO: "Anyone have thoughts on what Town-aligned discards are more likely to be evil?"
Cao: "I don't think it's necessarily an indicator."
JL: "AV would want to be one of the factions to be able to network and have more fun [...] Her discarding a Town card, while meaning nothing in itself, lends credence to this."
Cao: "The AV vote... I kinda actually agree with the logic?"
Cao: [doesn't vote AV despite agreeing with the logic to vote AV]
Strong scum lean.
Vute count and nothing else. Null, since Cao does this literally all the time.
I'm really hoping this a townie unsure how to prove their town-ness, rather than the laziest pocketing attempt in existence.
Not sure what to make of the part about Elenna. Could be alien getting some distancing in, could be werewolf pointing out a possible mafia/alien, could be town pointing out the same.
Null.
Townie points for pushing discussion with the two wagonees.
Overall townie vibe from the post.
"Elenna gives a bit of a reason for voting Captain Cap, JeenLeen, and Valmark. Probably means that none of them are aliens with Elenna?"
General rule of thumb: if you see somebody give a list of three people they're suspicious of, and later the list-giver turns out to be scum, guaranteed one of the people on that list is a scum-buddy. For whatever reason, scum is allergic to being entirely "right" or entirely "wrong" when they cast suspicion on people, since if they die it's the kind of thing that gets analyzed later, so the list tends to be "two townies and one scumbuddy".
The only hesitance I feel in saying that's definitely the case here is that there's multiple scum-factions and scum might feel comfortable fingering three non-scumbuddies on the assumption that at least one of them would happen to be scum by accident.
Null lean, not much that couldn't be posted by anybody.
Null.
A1: "I'm vig and I shot Xi but Xi survived."
Cao: "Why didnt you claim vig yesterday?"
A1: "Because any faction with a kill would want me dead."
Cao: "Seems legit."
I think it's weird that Cao let it go so easy, but unless today is going super weird, it can't be that Cao is specifically aligned with Serial-Killer-Apogee. More likely, Cao is just some non-town faction (probably mafia) putting a touch of pressure on and then leaving because he doesn't actually mind a survivor vig.
Scum lean.
Nul, slightly leaning scum. Most of Cao's posts are fine and towny, but when there's a scummy post, it's really pinging me.
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2020-11-10, 10:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: Captain Cap ISO"Confusion on mechanics", "restating the obvious", and "quoting recruitment OP". It's a big post saying nothing, and while it's their first one so the randvote isn't inherently suspicious, the rest of it isn't a good look either.
"I don't think lynching Apogee would give town any info. But it risks the least damage to town so they're a good kill. Of course, in a game like this, a random lynch also has a good chance of getting a non-town anyway...eh screw it, just lynch the claimed survivor. Also I'm still not voting anybody."
This doesn't read like a town trying to make the D1 lynch useful, this reads like non-town trying to muddy the water and taking the easy route to doing so, while still trying to look useful-ish without actually contributing.
CC latches onto another person's reasoning and asks questions, but never seems to really share their own thoughts.
Slight town lean. This is a solid point about how Caerulea could be non-town playing clueless to look like an innocent casual townie, and I think scum would've pushed it as damning evidence rather than pointing out it's NAI.
NAI, although tbh if Cap is town I really can't blame them for seeing Cae's post of "I'm town (but saying so means nothing)" and thinking it's not exactly the strongest argument for Cap to move their vote.
IIoA, but an understandable example so eh.
Null. Could be town trying to save the town claimant, could be non-town jumping off a wagon to get townie points while knowing Cae wouldn't survive the lynch anyway.
NAI. Anybody can play "follow the leader". Really wish they'd been around the first half of the day to provide insight.
Good that somebody else was calling this out besides me. Might be biased, but I'm thinking slight town lean for this.
I'm enjoying the way Cap just keeps handing Apogee a shovel to dig himself deeper with. Slight town lean in general.
NAI.
NAI.
A fair point, although one anybody could make.
Early on there's a good bit that gets under my skin but things improve over time. Null, slightly leaning scum.
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Spoiler: gac3 ISONAI. Anybody could (and apparently did) point this out.
Same as above. Not sure if it's townie sharing honest thoughts, or scum trying to make town feel bigger than it is.
"I've been quiet, but I'll try not to be going forward. Also I don't have a lot to say."
...aaaaaaand that's the most recent post from gac3.
Null lean, need more info. GTH I'd say scum, but in a game like this with more total scum than town, that's not saying much.Last edited by AvatarVecna; 2020-11-10 at 10:18 PM.
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2020-11-11, 02:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: JeenLeen ISOI'd've chosen non-town if I'd been given a choice in the matter.
Once more we have somebody giving their reason for doing a thing, and then immediately having an aside about how it's obviously not going to convince anybody regardless of their actual alignment. And then there's the Valmark thing: JeenLeen just explained that they don't think a Mafia Innocent discard is necessarily proof of anything, but now they're interrogating Valmark for doing literally the same thing??? Idk it all just really rubs me the wrong way, and not just the part where they blindly accuse me of choosing scum because I like to network.
If Xihirli is scum, this is the post that inspired her to claim to have drawn/stealth-discarded Survivor. It might even be true, but this is part of why I'm saying that Apogee dying doesn't prove Xihirli trustworthy - it could be a townie move, but it could also be a scum move to try and look more townie.
So...Captain Cap probably isn't Survivor or Alien, one of which we now have maybe-confirmed-ish? Good to know?
Calling out Universal Backup as trash for both Survivor and Serial Killer...
*looks at how things have gone today, with Apogee claiming Survivor, and somebody else claiming Apogee is Serial Killer*
...okay yeah that tracks.
NAI. Anybody could've pointed out that it looks sketchy.
Edit/followup feels like slight town lean, even if it's looking to be definitely not true. Rewrites are scummy, edits are towny.
Moves vote, claims to think my self-vote is now towny, but also still wary of me. Mmmmmm.
Overall town vibes from this response. Can't really put my finger on why but it just generally feels more measured.
My QT had a similar note about talking to myself.
"Survivor is a safe claim for scum, but it hasn't been counterclaimed so let's trust it"
15 minutes to go and changes vote to The Outsider on very shaky grounds.
Null lean overall for this one - some good, some bad.
I've already said my bit about apologizing to the dead. Scum lean.
The whole point about apologizing to dead villagers is that it's a mistake. Townies who take part in a mislynch deal with the fallout of that later, and don't apologize to the dead cuz it does the dead person no good. Meanwhile, wolves feel a need to pretend that them lynching a townie was an accident (even though it was totally on purpose), and so they'll publicly perform as being sorry to look townier. But that means it's a thing that townies basically never do and wolves do a good deal more often (even if it's still rare for a wolf to do). This is almost exclusively an act scum do - even good scum players. It's a bad habit.
"I've voided AV just in case she's the survivor. Or maybe the serial killer, idk. Or maybe a wolf."
"I think AV knows she'll be watched/scried tonight, so I think AV would've chosen to do the kill tonight when she thinks she's being watched"
Trying to preemptively take credit for fewer NKs than there should be. Boooo.
"I'll pretend to consider changing my action, but then leave this suspicious blank void at the bottom of my post, so anybody who knows the forum well enough can highlight or quote it to learn that I actually am trying to throw off the wolves in general and AV in particular."
This works a whole lot better if you don't basically announce it. Not that it matters, since I don't have a NK to void anyway.
Although really, if you thought people would be watching me in the night, your best bet would've been to let me get the kill, that way town watcher could see me target (for example) JeenLeen, and then wake up to a dead JeenLeen the next day. That would make me look pretty bad if I was un-voided and watched, but since I was voided, that hypothetical watcher got nothing for watching me last night. Nice job breaking it, "Hero".
I'm curious to reach the part of this ISO where JeenLeen will have to walk back the "AV is survivor or serial killer" theory without actually giving up on accusing me or making his old arguments look like lies in hindsight.
EoN note is NAI on its, as JeenLeen points out. It's the content I disagreed with, and how he immediately pretended to walk it back. It just looks like a giant public facade, JeenLeen putting a show to play at being townie but always leaving an "oops shouldn't've said that publicly" out when it appears to backfire on him.
The gall of this boy, voiding me and then, with a straight face, asking if I can claim a power use from last night that can be verified by somebody else. I've claimed even if nobody noticed, I'm not going to repeat myself. My power didn't affect anybody last night, so I can't tell you what I did or who I targeted in a way that anybody can confirm.
The reasoning about townies up for the lynch telling what their other cards were is a townie move. Every faction gains useful info from that, but town gains the most, and encouraging townies to do so is a good sign.
These are some worthwhile thoughts, and tbh I'm thinking it over and I'm unsure why town!Xihirli would hold off until D2. Maybe I'll see an answer when I get to that ISO. ISOs tend to be how I end up experiencing the thread arguments, and things only really come into focus once they're all done. Town lean.
Z: "either apogee or xihirli is lying, maybe both. So I'll vote AV"
JL: "yeah seems legit"
lol, scumlean
It seems extra unlikely that holding off on a kill N1 would deflect attention away from such a role in the long-term, because the kills (both this game and last game) have both fluff and color-coding appropriate to the faction that performed the kill.
Also you're awfully quick to threaten people with voiding.
If I thought you were town, I'd probably eat the kill out of spite at this point.
"I dont see why town AV would want to die" says the person who already explained to new players that AV self-voting doesn't necessarily indicate a desire to die. You're getting your narratives tangled, my dude.
Leaning town from this. A good deal more analysis than I'd expect scum to provide, even just for cover.
While I also think the reasoning is shaky I'm glad it was shared. Very slight town lean for being willing to share a knowingly-weak argument.
Town lean. I feel like there's a lot of effort and analysis here, and while it's aimed at me a lot more than I'm comfortable with, and frequently looks sketchy, overall it's more "towny unconcerned with optics" sketchy.
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2020-11-11, 10:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crazier Idea Mafia
In response to your question, AV:
I didn't think the counterclaim would help Town in the night, and waited until we could get a vote done. And I didn't counterclaim the day before because I wasn't checking this thread from the time of Apogee's claim to the end of day.Spoiler: Check Out my Writing!
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2020-11-11, 01:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Day 2 End
Please wait a few minutes for votes to be counted.
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AvatarVecna voted APOGEE1
Valmark voted APOGEE1
The Outsider voted APOGEE1
PartyOfRogues voted APOGEE1
gac3 REFUSED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CORRUPT INSTITUTION OF DEMOCRACY
Xihirli voted APOGEE1
Captain Cap voted APOGEE1
rogue_alchemist voted APOGEE1
Apogee1 voted XIHIRLI
JeenLeen voted APOGEE1
CaomhinTheCape voted APOGEE1
Zelphas voted APOGEE1
plenty voted APOGEE1
Apogee1 recieved 11 votes
Xihirli recieved 1 vote
1 person refused to participate in the corrupt institution of democracy.
Apogee1 died today. He was hanged. Apogee1's role was Serial Killer Spy.
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2020-11-11, 02:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Praise RNGesus for his guidance
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2020-11-11, 09:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Praise be.
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2020-11-12, 08:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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To help coordinate with the other Roleblocker/JOAT in play: I'm not targeting Xihirli or AV tonight. (Or, at least, I'm submitting now to change the Night action I put in yesterday, such that I'm not. Not lying this time.)
So, if there is a mafia kill, keep that in mind.
I would wait until Day to post this, but I wouldn't be surprised if I don't last to Day break, but maybe I've been suspicious enough the baddies will leave me alive and hope I'm lynched instead.
Also, just pointing out that our Town JOAT could be an Alien JOAT... though I'm inclined to think otherwise. I reckon the Aliens might've wanted to leave the Serial Killer around a touch more in hopes they take Town/werewolves. Baners, if you exist, please help. Or RA, if you're able to get online this Night, maybe good to bane yourself, but I definitely understand if real life keeps you busy.
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2020-11-12, 02:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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To new players: as you may have gleamed, most people don't talk during Night phase because generally that only helps the baddies. That is, the main decision to make at Night is 'who to kill' by the wolves, so giving more intel at Night generally just helps them more than Town. There's sometimes exceptions, but it's rare. (And, yeah, more info does help Town decide who to target with their powers, but there's usually enough info from the prior Day that it's not worth it.)
Also, as FoS on new players, the fact that they haven't talked at Night makes me think a scum-buddy may have told them that it's generally a wolfy move.
On the other hand, the new players have been relatively quiet even during the Day, so maybe their silence at Night doesn't mean much. And they might've looked at a previous game where that aspect of the metagame was mentioned.
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2020-11-13, 01:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Night 2 End
You awaken to an unusual sight: one of your number has been clawed to death by a werewolf. However, someone seems to have managed to take revenge for last night's killing. One of the werewolves lies dead, their body burned by a shot from what appears to be some kind of directed energy weapon - a blaster gun, so to speak.
JeenLeen died today. They were clawed to death. JeenLeen's role was Town Roleblocker.
gac3 died today. They were shot to death with a blaster. gac3's role was Werewolf Universal Backup.
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2020-11-13, 01:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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So, the gac death is lucky and I really should have seen the JeenLeen shot coming.
Either the aliens have a mind slaver who found a good target or the Aliens have a Vig who missed last night.
And since gac was a universal backup, we know there's at least one more Wolf out there.
After two nights of no Mafia kills, I'm guessing that there is likely no Mafia though they could be really unlucky.
@rogue_alchemist as a claimed Investigator did you get anything helpful last night?
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2020-11-13, 01:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sorry, I'm a bit confused. The aliens have a vig who missed? Didn't WW die to aliens? And where does a mindslaver play into any of this?
Regardless of that, I'm voting forCaptain Cap. Here's my reasoning:
-Cap has made a lot of posts that have served to muddy waters and generally say little while attempting to appear like a Townie engaging in discussion. See AV's ISO.
-Cap jumped off of a vote wagon to no effect on a target that turned out to be Town.
-Elenna, an alien, voted for them first and then never threw shade his way again. It could just be a random vote, or it could be an attempt to distance.
None of these on their own are enough to make me suspicious. But together, it's enough to grab my attention.
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2020-11-13, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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The vig would have missed last night- as for the mindslaver, it's exactly what happened last game. A mindslaver that catches the one doing the killing or a strongman can use their kill (and I'm still bothered by that. I think the interaction between strongman and mindslaver is something I actively dislike).
At least it seems likely Mafia isn't present in the game by now, unless they've been super unlucky.
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2020-11-13, 01:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, I wasn't very clear and wanted to get my thoughts down.
Aliens do not have a factional kill. There are two Alien roles that can pull off a kill:
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I like the vote on Captain Cap and may join at some point but I'd like to hear from rogue_alchemist first.
Vote Count:
Captain Cap (1): The Outsider
Not voting: AvatarVecna, PartyOfRogues, Zelphas, Xihirli, Valmark, plenty, Captain Cap, rogue_alchemist, CaoimhinTheCape
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It's not. The mindslaver redirects the target normally, but if they target a Strongman the Strongman's kill still goes through and the Mindslaver gets to aim a kill at somebody else.
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And if the Strongman isn't doing the kill a Mindslaver still gets the kill.
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I should clarify that a mindslaver kill will not show up as a blaster attack - it's exactly the witch, except for the fact that we have strongmen in this game.
(I'm not 100% satisfied with the way mindslavers work on strongmen either, but I like either of the other ways it could work even less, so...)
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Huh. I was really hoping we'd taken out all the aliens.
If they've taken a killer, may I suggest a usual suspect to mind-enslave inAvatarVecna? Nothing you've done, AV. Just if I were an alien you're who I'd mind control. It's a compliment, really.Last edited by Xihirli; 2020-11-13 at 11:48 PM.
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