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2010-05-28, 09:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Portable hole filled w/Holy water
So, as usual, I were thinking about ways to fight the undead and it hit me:
Let's assume:
1) I have a Cleric character (high levelish)
2) The character has a portable hole and plenty of time and money (and powdered silver!)
3) He uses Bless Water to make enough Holy Water to fill the portable hole
4) Later, he manages to stuff a Medium sized undead monster (with like, a bajillion hit points) to this portable hole... and closes it
What would happen? I'd say that would either:
1) Destroy any undead monster instantly, or
2) Inflict so many times 2d4 damage (per round) that any undead monster would be eventually destroyed.
So... any thoughts?Signatures are so 90's.
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2010-05-28, 09:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Portable hole filled w/Holy water
It inflicts a great deal of constant damage, and so the creature is screwed unless it has some kind of teleportation ability and can make the Concentration checks to use it.
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2010-05-28, 09:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Portable hole filled w/Holy water
Since acid deals 1d6 on a hit or 10d6 per round for total immersion, and lava deals 2d6 per hit or 20d6 for total immersion, logically an undead creature totally immersed in holy water ought to take 20d4 damage per round.
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2010-05-28, 09:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Portable hole filled w/Holy water
I would be inclined to suggest that after the creature has been immersed in the Holy Water and taken its first round of damage, the Holy Water has been contaminated and is no longer "Holy".
Pretty much for the same reason that regular Holy Water doesn't deal continuous damage.
Now, you might allow either:
- A couple of rounds of damage if the the volume of Holy Water is very much greater than the creature
- A larger amount of damage since this is an immersion rather than a splash
...But I can't see it being an instant kill or a permament continuous damage effect.Warning: This posting may contain wit, wisdom, pathos, irony, satire, sarcasm and puns. And traces of nut.
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2010-05-28, 11:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-28, 12:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-28, 12:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Portable hole filled w/Holy water
and for Vamps, they die instantly.
Personally, I'd fill a Portable hole up as much as possible and hurl the water at him, like a geyser
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2010-05-28, 12:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Portable hole filled w/Holy water
I'm running a Water themed cleric right now in an undead-rich campaign.
Step 1 - Wall of Water
Step 2 - Sanctify Water
I can then use Control water or other spells to move that wall around the battlefield. Happy..
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2010-05-28, 01:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-28, 01:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-28, 01:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Portable hole filled w/Holy water
I'd say 10d6 for immersion since holy water specifically deals damage as acid.
How? Assuming the gravity of the plane onto which the hole opens affects the contents of the hole relative to its orientation to that plane, I'm not sure how you'd accomplish this.
I don't see why not. But what would it accomplish? +1d6 damage to its attacks against creatures vulnerable to holy water seems like the maximum benefit.Last edited by Irreverent Fool; 2010-05-28 at 01:20 PM.
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2010-05-28, 01:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-28, 01:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-28, 01:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Portable hole filled w/Holy water
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2010-05-28, 02:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Portable hole filled w/Holy water
Go for the Holy Super Soaker instead, a Decanter of Endless Water with continuous Bless Water on it.
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2010-05-28, 03:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-28, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-28, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Portable hole filled w/Holy water
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2010-05-28, 04:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Portable hole filled w/Holy water
You know, by core rules, it'll take a 20th level cleric 2349 days and 352 335 gp to fill a portable hole with water.
That's casting only Bless Water as your 1st level spells for SIX and a half YEARS.
Or 14 094 1st level clerics could do it in 1 minute.Last edited by Altair_the_Vexed; 2010-05-28 at 04:06 PM.
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2010-05-28, 04:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-28, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Portable hole filled w/Holy water
Quite.
I missed something, by the way. If you burn off ALL your spells per day at 20th level in casting Bless Water - you know, use up 2nd to 9th level slots to cast that crumby little low level spell - then it could take you as little as 314 days!
Less than a year of dumping all your power into the project?! Sign me up!
Or you know, you could cast Searing Light twice, for the same damage.Last edited by Altair_the_Vexed; 2010-05-28 at 04:17 PM.
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2010-05-28, 04:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Portable hole filled w/Holy water
holy water doesn't lose its holyness for being "contaminated" by the undead it is splashed on... it stops dealing demage because it discharged the !MAGIC! that it contained...
if you cast enough magic and spent enough silver to create 14000 doses of holy water then there are 14000 doses of holy water in there...
You will deal 20d4 from total immersion per round, and each round 10 doses of holy water would be lost due to having discharged their magic.
also gets around a DM who decides the water was contaminated after 1 round ruining 14,000 castings of holy water.Last edited by taltamir; 2010-05-28 at 04:20 PM.
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2010-05-28, 04:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-28, 04:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-28, 04:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Portable hole filled w/Holy water
...how do you get the decanter to make alchemist's fire instead of water? Is there a spell that could transmute that water into another liquid?
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2010-05-28, 04:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-28, 04:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Portable hole filled w/Holy water
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2010-05-28, 04:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-28, 04:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-28, 04:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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