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2014-08-01, 12:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Apr 2011
- Location
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Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
Welcome, contestants, judges, and guests to Iron Chef LIX. Here in Optimization Colosseum, contestants will endeavor to create an optimized and flavorful character using a specified D&D3.5 prestige class as a "Secret Ingredient".
Contestants: You will need to present a write-up of your build at at least one of the following points: 5th level, 10th level, 15th, 20th, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a fully-fleshed out 20-level build in the table below. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:
Menu: For most challenges, the "special ingredient" will be drawn from Core plus Completes. There will, from time to time, be special challenges that showcase secret ingredients from other books--for example, the XPH.
32 point-buy is the presumed creation method, but we have generally allowed other levels of point-buy.
If you do use a different point-buy, please make your case for its necessity in your entry. Keep in mind that for using exceptionally large or small point-buys may warrant deductions in elegance and/or power.
Kitchen: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt or Generic Classes are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Also, item familiars are forbidden because I hate 'em. Please refrain from using Taint unless it's necessary for the Secret Ingredient.
Cooking Time: Contestants will have until 23:59 GMT on Thursday, August 14th, 2014 to create their builds and PM them to the Chairman, Kuulvheysoon. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have until 23:59 GMT on Saturday, August 30th, 2014 to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted.
Judging: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated on a scale from Excellent/Average/Poor in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Secret Ingredient.
Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavor for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is considered in poor taste, and judges are asked to take a dim view of this option, taking it into account while grading. Other things that will cause penalties here are excessive multi-classing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, will lose you points.Please note the following change: a legal source's relative obscurity should not be considered as penalizing Elegance, excepting the aforementioned issues with Unearthed Arcana. Using too many sources may result in a penalty to Elegance at the judges' discretion, but a book's relative obscurity may not. In that same vein, drawing solely from the Core 3 (and the d20 SRD) should not be punished for lacking Originality.Presentation: Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!
Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.SpoilerNAME OF ENTRY
Level Class Base Attack Bonus Fort Save Ref Save Will Save Skills Feats Class Features 1st New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 2nd New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 3rd New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 4th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 5th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 6th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 7th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 8th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 9th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 10th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 11th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 12th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 13th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 14th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 15th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 16th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 17th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 18th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 19th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities 20th New Class Level +x +x +x +x Skills Feats New Class Abilities
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[td]Feats[/td]
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[td]New Class Level[/td]
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[td]New Class Level[/td]
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[td]7th[/td]
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[td]8th[/td]
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[td]Feats[/td]
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[td]9th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
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[td]10th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
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[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[td]11th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
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[td]12th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
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[td]Feats[/td]
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[td]13th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
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[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[td]14th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[td]15th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[td]16th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[td]17th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
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[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[td]18th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]Skills[/td]
[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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[td]19th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
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[td]Skills[/td]
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[td]20th[/td]
[td]New Class Level[/td]
[td]+x[/td]
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[td]+x[/td]
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[td]Feats[/td]
[td]New Class Abilities[/td]
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For entries with spellcasting, use the following table for Spells per day and Spells Known. (Spells Known only if necessary, i.e. Sorcerer or Bard, but not Wizard or Warmage)SpoilerSpells per Day/Spells Known
Spells per Day/Spells Known
Code immediately below (spoiler)Level 0lvl 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 1st - - - - - - - - - - 2nd - - - - - - - - - - 3rd - - - - - - - - - - 4th - - - - - - - - - - 5th - - - - - - - - - - 6th - - - - - - - - - - 7th - - - - - - - - - - 8th - - - - - - - - - - 9th - - - - - - - - - - 10th - - - - - - - - - - 11th - - - - - - - - - - 12th - - - - - - - - - - 13th - - - - - - - - - - 14th - - - - - - - - - - 15th - - - - - - - - - - 16th - - - - - - - - - - 17th - - - - - - - - - - 18th - - - - - - - - - - 19th - - - - - - - - - - 20th - - - - - - - - - - Spoiler[B]Spells per Day/Spells Known[/B]
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[td]1st[/td]
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[td]4th[/td]
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[td]5th[/td]
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[td]6th[/td]
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[td]7th[/td]
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[td]8th[/td]
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[td]12th[/td]
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[td]13th[/td]
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[td]14th[/td]
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[td]15th[/td]
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[td]16th[/td]
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[td]17th[/td]
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[td]18th[/td]
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[td]19th[/td]
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[td]20th[/td]
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For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list.Speculation: Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until the "reveal," in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.
Leadership is banned; we're producing a meal, not a seven-course banquet for a hundred diners. If your entry includes a prestige class or ACF that grants Leadership or a Leadership-like ability as a bonus feat, the feat should be ignored and is not eligible to be traded away for another feat or ACF through any means.
So! Who wants to sign up as a contestant, and who wants to sign up as a judge? Looking for as many contestants and judges as feel like playing!
This week's special ingredient is:
Dragon Magazine Compendium's Fleet Runner of Ehlonna!
We will award 1st through 3rd places, as well as a shout-out for honorable mention. The honorable mention prize is given to the most daring or unexpected build. Judges, contestants and guests alike are invited to vote for honorable mention via PM.
Allez, optimiser!
Contestants
Judges
The Builds
Past Competitions
Spoiler: The First FiftyIron Chef I: Entropomancer
Iron Chef II: Psibond Agent
Iron Chef III: Cancer Mage
Iron Chef IV: Stonelord
Iron Chef V: War Chanter
Iron Chef VI: Master of Masks
Iron Chef VII: Green Star Adept
Iron Chef VIII: Pyrokineticist
Iron Chef IX: Animal Lord
Iron Chef X: Mythic Exemplar
Iron Chef XI: Blade Bravo
Iron Chef XII: War Mind
Iron Chef XIII: Vigilante
Iron Chef XIV: Seeker of the Song
Iron Chef XV: Drunken Master
Iron Chef XVI: Assassin
Iron Chef XVII: Ardent Dilettante
Iron Chef XVIII: Unseelie Dark Hunter
Iron Chef XIX: Dread Pirate
Iron Chef XX: Incandescent Champion
Iron Chef XXI: Ghostwalker
Iron Chef XXII: Dervish
Iron Chef XXIII: Divine Crusader
Iron Chef XXIV: Tactical Soldier
Iron Chef XXV: Scion of Tem-Et-Nu
Iron Chef XXVI: Shadowdancer
Iron Chef XXVII: Mindbender
Iron Chef XXVIII: Cryokineticist
Iron Chef XXIX: Consecrated Harrier
Iron Chef XXX: Initiate of Pistis Sophia
Iron Chef XXXI: Shadow Sentinel
Iron Chef XXXII: Temple Raider of Olidammara
Iron Chef XXXIII: Drow Judicator
Iron Chef XXXIV: Dragon Disciple
Iron Chef XXXV: Death Delver
Iron Chef XXXVI: Acolyte of the Skin
Iron Chef XXXVII: Justiciar
Iron Chef XXXVIII: Hand of the Winged Master
Iron Chef XXXIX: Renegade Mastermaker
Iron Chef XL: Nightsong Infiltrator
Iron Chef XLI: Geomancer
Iron Chef XLII: Shadowblade
Iron Chef XLIII: Bladesinger
Iron Chef XLIV: Urban Soul
Iron Chef XLV: Talon of Tiamat
Iron Chef XLVI: Cipher Adept
Iron Chef XLVII: Cold Iron Warrior
Iron Chef XLVIII: Shadow Sun Ninja
Iron Chef XLIX: Thrall to Orcus
Iron Chef L: Corrupt Avenger
Iron Chef LI: Black Flame Zealot
Iron Chef LII: Anointed Knight
Iron Chef LIII: Zerth Cenobite
Iron Chef LIV: Osteomancer
Iron Chef LV: Mountebank
Iron Chef LVI: Dwarven Defender
Iron Chef LVII: Darkrunner
Iron Chef LVIII: SpellswordLast edited by Kuulvheysoon; 2014-08-01 at 12:04 AM.
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2014-08-01, 12:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LXI
FAQ:
What's this even about? I'm glad you asked, actually...
Is Dragon Compendium Allowed? Yes (as well as its Errata), but individual issues of Dragon Magazine are not.
What about 3.0 materials? 3.0 materials, whether online or in printed form, are allowed unless they've been officially updated to a 3.5 edition.
Are Dragonlance, Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, or Kingdoms of Kalamar allowable sources? The Dragonlance Campaign Setting is allowed, but the subsequent books for Dragonlance are considered 3rd party, and are therefore not eligible, despite the "WotC approved" status of those books. The same holds for Oriental Adventures (1st party) and the subsequent Rokugan books (3rd party). Materials from Ravenloft, Planescape, Dark Sun, and Kingdoms of Kalamar are considered 3rd party for purposes of this contest, and are therefore not allowed.
What about online sources in general? If the online source is a) published by WotC, and b) not replaced by an updated version at a later time, it is eligible. Use it, link it.
Where's the line drawn with "acceptable/unacceptable" for Unearthed Arcana? This will likely vary a bit from Chairman to Chairman. Item Familiars and Gestalt have always been verboten, since before IC migrated to GitP; don't expect that to change. Flaws have similarly always been noted as warranting a deduction; while I am Chairman, I'm extending that to Traits, though they warrant 1/2 the penalty in Elegance that a Flaw would because they're roughly 1/2 as useful. Alternate spell systems, alternate skill systems and alternate crafting rules all create an uneven playing field, and as such, will be disallowed for as long as I am Chairman. Bloodlines and the Retraining options presented in the PHB2 are ripe for abuse, and will be strongly discouraged as long as I am Chairman. Note that judges are allowed to look askance at any use of Unearthed Arcana not specifically mentioned above, at their discretion, and otherwise penalize Elegance according to their preference.
What, exactly, does the ban on Leadership mean? As folks have started to try to work around the edges of this one, I'm forced to spell it out more plainly. No Leadership, Draconic Cohort, or Feats that grant a similar ability are allowed EXCEPT Wild Cohort while Kuulvheysoon is chairman. Any PrC you choose with Leadership or a Leadership-analog has that ability entirely ignored for this contest, as it may neither be used nor traded away via any means whatsoever.
What's the minimum score in a category? Assuming an entry is legal, the minimum score in any category is 1. If a judge is convinced that an entry is mechanically illegal by the RAW, the judge may give the build a score of 0 in Elegance, and proceed to judge the entry as if the offending material was not included. Failing to meet a special requirements for a prestige class does not merit a 0, but may qualify for a penalty, at the judge's discretion. Because this contest focuses on Player Characters, an entry that is not technically allowed for a PC, but is viable as an NPC, counts as a legal entry, but may receive a minimum score at the judges' discretion.
Ruling on Generic Classes? It's now tucked away in the OP -Originally Posted by Iron Chef OPLast edited by Kuulvheysoon; 2014-09-15 at 06:08 PM.
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2014-08-01, 12:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
Ugh ... been looking at that class previously, and was lost on how to make it ...
That said, any ruling on going for it with a setting specific character, either FR or Eberron?
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
Wow. That is an... interesting class. This will be difficult.
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2014-08-01, 02:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
Huh. Well, I'll mull this one over. If nothing else, the new judging rules make that a lot faster and easier, so if I don't come up with anything, I'll do that.
I think that point scores and the disputes that come with them are ultimately probably necessary evils. My suggestion would be to allow disputes only for a few days at the very end of the competition, as that'd give people a chance to cool off about criticism of their work, and would make it clear who has a shot at medaling or reaching a higher medal with a few extra dispute points (maybe require that they submit math based on what they think is a best case scenario for the dispute).
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2014-08-01, 04:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
well the slight change to how judges need to do things should streamline it , the SI looks interesting.
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2014-08-01, 05:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
Gotta love a class that gives both Improved Evasion, and Reflex as the only bad save
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2014-08-01, 06:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
We'll see how the experimental scoring system changes the tenor around here, if at all. . .[nitpick]"responsibilities," not "responsabilities"[/nitpick]. I'll mull over whether I'm competing or judging this round.
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2014-08-01, 08:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-08-01, 08:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
I can understand the need for a new judging system but since only one person--ever--used a ridiculous overcomplicated formula it seems kind of silly to revamp a whole system. It seems to penalize those that used the previous system they way it was meant to work. Likewise I'm also not sure how multiple judges scores would be handled.
That said, I will participate one way or the other as per usual.Chairman emeritus for Zinc Saucier.
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2014-08-01, 09:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
Hmm. No ideas forthcoming, but who knows - that might change.
I'll be interested to see how the new judging system works. I do like the new streamlined aspect, although I do have a couple of potential concerns...
1. As OMG mentioned, determining rank with multiple judges becomes harder. You can simply average all the build's placements, but I suspect that will end up seeing a greater number of ties than usual. Of course, ties aren't necessarily the worst thing in the world, so this may not be the biggest deal, but it's still a potential concern.
2. Right now, judges can only tank a build in any one category so far - a build with several mistakes might go as low as a 1 in Elegance, for example, but if it does well in the remaining categories, it can still get a passable score. Now, a judge can put that same build as low as he or she wishes based on a single category. This is especially potentially problematic because some judges really value one category over the others - I've seen judges that go crazy for cool ideas and originality, for example, and others who seem to spend most of their focus on Elegance.
3. In general, I worry that this will encourage judges to spend less time really looking at the builds in detail, and more time scoring by "feel." I can point to a couple of contests where judges seemed to score in this fashion, and it caused a lot of upset among contestants.
Still, I'm interested to see how it goes in practice. If it works and it makes it easier to judge, and serves to keep the contest from getting bogged down by disputes, I'm all for it!Optimization Showcase in the Playground
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2014-08-01, 09:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
So far, Wallace Shaun nixed my first concept, and my next two ideas are oddly incompatible with the SI's prerequisites. For such seemingly simple entry requirements, this is harder than it looked at first glance.
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2014-08-01, 09:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
If the goal of the new system is to discourage disputes, it seems to do it in a really roundabout way. I think it might have been more productive to leave things as they were and just ban disputing.
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2014-08-01, 09:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
That was attempted (IIRC) in Private Prinny's circuit as chairperson.
I personally like the way this ends up. Though note that it's not banning the notion of each judge assigning scores based on their own whims, but that there won't be a universal scoring system aside from "I like this one better than the rest and here's why."
I'm with you fellers. If I can't figure out a build, I'll judge.
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2014-08-01, 10:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
got a couple of protential build ideas but them working depends a lot on how settings without Ehlonna (that is, everything but Greyhawk) are called.
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2014-08-01, 12:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
Ah yes I remember way back when I asked for this as an ingredient. It's....worse than I remember. This class is bananas. It heads in 5 different directions at once. I'm still totally in, though.
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2014-08-01, 12:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-08-01, 01:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
It requires Dodge, Mobility, and Run...and Monks can't qualify for it.
It has medium BAB, a d8 hit die...and charge-based class features.
It requires divine casting...and gives half casting progression.
It has a bad Reflex save...and Improved Evasion.
It lets you jump from a standing start...without giving you Jump as a class skill.
It is...the most confusing Prestige Class in the world.
I don't always say "screw optimizing", but when I do, I take Fleet Runner of Ehlonna to 10th level.
Stay puzzled, my friends.Last edited by AvatarVecna; 2014-08-01 at 01:19 PM.
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2014-08-01, 03:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
Gah... I keep running head first into a wall on this one, flipflopping between either having something that (argubly, maybe) work, and something that i don't think is going to be done 5 times over by different cooks (but critically needs some things that the former bring to the table).
the most elegant idea i've had as of yet is short 2 feats and a level to actually fit together.
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2014-08-01, 03:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
First time competing, but I'll go in unless work gets in the way.
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2014-08-01, 05:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
I'm competing!I withdraw. I've grown too used to our houserules that I forgot how much I hate D&D without them.
Also, how RAW-based is the tournament? Like, are alterations to fluff allowed even if the mechanics are the same? What about something like Savvy Rogue applied the Psychic Rogue like one thread mentioned earlier?Last edited by heavyfuel; 2014-08-01 at 08:35 PM.
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2014-08-01, 06:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, the time I decide to try to come back and give this a try again, we get a class that I have no clue about, and when I look it up looks dreadful. I want to compete, I really do. I might cook something up; if I can't it will be from lack of ability, not lack of desire.
And I must have missed this somewhere, but why is the judging stuff changing?
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2014-08-01, 06:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
Don't I wish that were true.
Recent rounds have seen a huge upswing in disputes and questions over judging methods. Thus, the chairman decided to try something out. Like he's said upthread, folks, if it doesn't work we can always revert to the old way, but let's see what shakes out with this method first.
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2014-08-01, 07:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
it could always be limited to one dispute per contestant per round, and you can pick which judge to dispute. stops people whining about every judge because they did not judge the way they wanted them to.
i was perfectly fine with all of my scores honestly. i only had one minor dispute because i felt left out.... nothing to moan about... so i added a +5 to my ac that was missed
on the topic of the secret ingredient.... i don't understand...... its like someone wrote it specifically to confuse the reader...... i don't know if i will enter....
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2014-08-01, 09:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
This has happened way too often to me in the Iron Chef...
-look at the SI, confused about what was the original intention.
-Moment of inspiration where something is the obvious answer.
-It is so obvious, everyone must be using some variation of it.
-Reveal comes, noone used it.
-Angrily shake fist at the monitor.
Well, I am in.
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2014-08-01, 11:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
I know, isn't amazing? This is exactly the sort of reason I selected this. It's so bad that it's actually freeing, like Cipher Adept was. It's so hard to be "good" you might as well just be terrible in a different way. Plus, while one would likely go mad trying to utilize everything, there still are many aspects here to jump off from and build on.
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2014-08-01, 11:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
I've already had a couple ideas, but the crux of the problem seems to be managing to qualify for the SI without rendering it irrelevant with the qualifying build
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2014-08-02, 12:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
I think I'll give this one a shot. This class has been vexing me for a while and I just had an idea that might work.
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2014-08-02, 01:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
Got an idea for how to get my build to work in the middle of the night and wrote it down before going to back sleep, and it actually looks promising
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2014-08-02, 11:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground LIX
Three crappy feats needed to qualify, I can't depend on the casting to save the build, and the class features are so all over the place that just about any build designed to use all of them is going to be terrible.
Barring a miracle breakthrough, I'm staying out of this one.
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