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Thread: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
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2021-06-04, 07:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
What is LYLO? For those of us who don't know all the abbreviations yet.
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2021-06-04, 07:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Lynch or You Lose - it's the situation where town has to lynch correctly or lose the game. Eg if there's two wolves snd three town.
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2021-06-04, 07:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Lynch-Lose, essentially a situation where "if we don't lynch a wolf today, the game is over by tomorrow because wolves control the lynch". 5 wolves/5 neutrals is only D1 LYLO if:
1) In the night, no wolf/neutral dies to a vig shot or wolf-NK that got redirected
2) On D2, wolves and neutrals coordinate their votes perfectly despite no neutral starting in private contact with wolves
3) No powers screw with vote totals in town's favor
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2021-06-04, 07:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-04, 08:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
End of Night 1
Some small amounts of conversation happen in the night before people retire to their tents. Then the exciting things happen.
There are noises and flashes and laughter and finally everyone hears the crack of thunder. When they arrive they find a body, still letting off some electrical energy.
AV has died. They were the child of Apollo. They were Town.
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Apollo: Children of Apollo are some of the most diverse in powers because of his diverse list of domains.
You have the following Power:
Prophecy: With the approval of your father, you have limit access to his gift of prophecy to help find the culprits. Each night target one person and see their faction (town, neutral, wolf).
You are town aligned.
Day 2 Begins. You have 48 ish hours. Since it will be Sunday evening, I may not be quite as exact as I was the past two times but if I don't end on time, I'll make sure I'm at least late so people have their full chance.Last edited by gac3; 2021-06-06 at 04:55 PM.
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2021-06-04, 08:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Jeenleen believes there is another neutral a Champion of Hera, since it can't be batcathat, emmy, jeen, or snowblaze there must be a fifth.
Now Yes, the Lylo scenario is relatively low, though not completely unlikely. Emmy could easily be convinced by the wolves simply due to the greater number of players willing to work with her to achieve her objectives. Batcathat the same deal. Snowblaze needs a dionysus child alive if one is in the wolf pack that people seem to be believing is the case that's another willing to join the wolves.
That only really leaves, Jeen, and The Mysterious Champion of hera, which we don't really know much about.
The Votestealer, and The Doublevoter are vote manipulators. With unknown alignments, and shouldn't be factored into the case, since I hope Gac is smart enough to realize that if he's leaving those roles independant of alignment, that he needs to prepare for the worst case scenario. This is why I'm confident there can not be 5 wolves, and 5 neutrals, and the proportion one way or another has to be lower then that.
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Snowblazefor the reasons I have stated and tried to explain.Last edited by totadileplayz; 2021-06-06 at 09:31 AM.
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2021-06-04, 08:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
If anyone was expecting feedback and didn't get it, let me know.
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2021-06-04, 08:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Okay, this is bad...
We just lost one of our most important roles.
The description of the kill points to the Child of Zeus, not a Wolf night kill. But there is only one kill... So... Poseidon did a better job than Zeus?
@Gac can you tell us how the wolf kill would work? Is it an ability they have to use? Can a wolf both deliver the night kill and use his normal power? Could Dionysos drunken power prevent a wolf kill?
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2021-06-04, 08:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
I believe I said this in the pregame chatter so I feel safe revealing that the wolf kill is considered a to be used by a specific person in nearly every case. The child of ares is the one exception. Whichever wolf uses the kill, it functions as a second power and abilities that interact with power usage would apply to the kill. So either Dionysus power would be able to affect it. Yes.
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2021-06-04, 08:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
@Apogee: was AV killed by the Town Network, or is this a wolf kill?
Or did the vigilante!Zeusling try to kill someone else and get redirected (presumably by the other Zeusling)?
I don't know if gac's statements thus far 100% confirm it was a Zeusling that killed AV, but it seems likely.
I'm inclined to believe Snowblaze, and also have reason (being a neutral) to try to keep neutrals around. I know Elenna isn't one of the Zeusling via my Night power, so I'll go withValmark.They looked iffy D1 according to AV, but suspicions kinda died out with the focus on Batcathat and EmmyNecromancer. Perhaps he killed her in hopes that suspicion didn't rearise?
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OH. A thought: I figured two kills probably were attempted last night, but one was stopped by a baner or voider. But if the "vigilante"-powered Zeusling is a wolf, it's probably not that the wolves get two kills a night, but some augmentation to the power. (Or the wolves effectively got someone without a power.)
Not sure what to make of that, but gac3 did state (I think) that every named Role had a chance of being Town or Wolf. I would think that one had a small chance of RNGing wolf, but it's still possible.
I reckon any baners/voiders/watchers/trackers should give intel to Apogee, and maybe they can puzzle out who the killer is.Last edited by JeenLeen; 2021-06-06 at 07:08 PM.
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2021-06-04, 08:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
I gotta confess I do not remember what happened last night. hic. I woke up... head... guh. My... hic. I'm not drunk! You're drunk!
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2021-06-04, 08:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Also, it's possible AV still got her Night Feedback, and could tell it to the necromancer (if in play) via deadchat.
Though, well, I guess we don't know if that would happen or not.
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Xi is claiming she's not the killer.
How very odd this game has been. Active D1. Neutrals winning D1. Xi saying we shouldn't kill and then not killing anyone.
But, sincerely, thanks for sharing that the void happened.
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2021-06-04, 08:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
So, if a Town Vig targeted or was redirected to AV, that would mean that the Wolf kill didn't go through for one reason or another.
We should also get info from the Child of Hades: Highway to Hades. AV would have gotten a result, can pass it along to the Child of Hades who would pass it along to Apogee. If AV got someone guilty then Apogee can pass along the info, if innocent then Apogee has someone new to trust.
So, in short, we're waiting on info to travel through the grapevine. I'm comfortable placing a vote on Snowblaze while we wait.
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2021-06-04, 08:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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I gotta be honest I didn't know that the alcohol thing was a voiding. I haven't actually read most of the opening post.
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So why is it that we see the Seer lying dead and aren't like "oh, it's the wolves at it"? Why do we think this was the vig?Spoiler: Check Out my Writing!
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2021-06-04, 09:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Right, yeah, that's what I was forgetting.
By the way, I'm waiting for an answer about why you're sure there's 5 wolves.
Yes, technically if 5 wolves and 5 neutrals were alive as of D2 they could win the game. Technically. But that would a wolf to randomly out themselves, hoping that there are 5 neutrals, and hoping that they are all willing to cooperate with the wolves. I can't imagine a wolf team ever making that gamble, so I wouldn't consider it LYLO. (Also, it sounds like Jeen and the Champion of Hera are opposed somehow, if Jeen is telling the truth, so I doubt they would both work with wolves.)
Anyways, that's mostly a theoretical comment on the definition of LYLO. I agree that in this particular game, it seems unlikely that there are five neutrals.
If there aren't actually five neutrals, that means either Jeen or Snowblaze is lying, and I know which one seems more suspicious to me. Besides, Snow's lack of a power seems really weird, as I said earlier.
Oh, I missed that bit in the narration. Yes, I think the vigilante probably killed AV. Apogee, if you have any comments you can share on how the vigilante ended up hitting the seer, I'm very interested to hear them.
I guess one possible answer is "the vigilante is a wolf". I really hope that's not the case, but IIRC gac said no role was absolutely 100% town or 100% wolf, so it's possible?
There's a few possible ways that the wolf kill could have been prevented
- The baner (child of Poseidon) protected the wolf target.
- The wolves targeted the child of Ares who has Hard to Kill.
- The voider (the person with Drunken Fun) targeted the wolf who did the kill.
This is probably obvious, but the baner and voider should let Apogee know who they targeted tonight if they haven't already.
@gac: Does the person with Hard to Kill get notified if they lose their extra life?I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2021-06-04, 09:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Flavor text makes it sound like a Child of Zeus did it. And most seem to assume that the Zeusling with a NK power is gonna be Town.
Though we should be clear that, probably if either Zeusling did the kill just as the factional kill, it'd likely have similar flavortext
We can presume the Town!vigilante wasn't voided, since Xi was voided. (She could be lying, but seems a foolish thing to lie about, as a Dionsyian could claim.)
I feel like writing something like "how could this happen if any of these are true: both Zeus Town, both Zeus wolf, vortexer Town and vig Wolf, vortexer Wolf and vig Town"--but I'm a bit tired, and I think I'd like to hear from Apogee if the Town Network had planned to kill AV anyway before I put the effort in.
I don't rule out that another person could have done the kill, but it seems unlikely.
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2021-06-04, 09:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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It was a flash of lightning. Lightning Control is a power that allows you to kill someone with lightning.
The Fact the person was killed with lightning probably means that the child of Zeus was the one behind it. That doesn't mean that they are a vigilante, they can be a wolf. It just means they were the one to Kill AV.
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2021-06-04, 09:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
It is possible that the vig kiled AV and wolf!Xi planned to kill someone else, and she posted her post
1) knowing it meant she was voided, and doing a fun move (and perhaps to get some WIFOM shielding since 'of course a wolf wouldn't admit that if they were the NKer')
2) honestly not realizing it meant anything about a void, and just posting it
Not saying I suspect Xi a ton, but, well, Elenna implicitly was noting a scenario that pegs Xi as the wolf, so drawing explicit attention to that.
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2021-06-04, 09:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ninja'd. I guess the voider doesn't have to say who they voided. Unless they voided someone who's not Xi, in which case I'm going to have a lot of questions.
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2021-06-04, 09:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-04, 09:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, if the voider says they didn't target Xi, there could also be a vortex (or two) involved. Anyways at this point I'm just waiting for Apogee to pass on anything he wants to pass on. Although if he doesn't want to say anything, I'm also 100% fine with lynching Snowblaze.
...if Snowblaze is somehow another neutral telling the truth about having made an incredibly bad and unlikely play, I will... be very confused, I guess.I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!
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2021-06-04, 09:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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I would say, there are three reasons.
1) The power description of lightning
2) AVs role analysis gave the Lightning power a good odd of being town
3) The fact that Team wolf couldn't know AV was the seer after one day. (Only chance would be someone told them. Apogee? Did you know AV s role and told anybody in order to verify the claim? I think this is very unlikely, since AV was quite vocal in the defense of Apogee)
Plus, there was only one kill tonight. So either there is no child of Zeus with the killing power or one kill was blocked. Or...
@Gac Can you tell us if there would be a hint in the death description if one target was hit by two killing powers?
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Now, what do we think about a drunken Xi?
If we take it as a result of Dionysus power, this would either mean Xi was the wolf carrying the kill OR poseidon was successful.
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2021-06-04, 09:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Losing a Seer is... not the best for Town, for sure. I'm still shaking out what exactly we've learned over the night, but for now I'm willing to add my vote to Snowblaze due to the weirdness of her claims the day before and the likelihood that with all the neutral claims we've already gotten, someone is probably lying on that front.
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2021-06-04, 09:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-04, 09:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Werewolf/Mafia: Percy Jackson
Snowblaze
As advocated. Further analysis is going directly to Apogee rn."Trust bladescape, Shadow of Doubt,"
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2021-06-04, 09:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Now that AV is dead and confirmed town, I see some things in a different light.
I did not like her analysis before, but I also admitted that some of this might be clouded by her bad review of me.
I still stand by one thing: AV had totally underestimated the number of Neutrals.
We can be sure there were at least two and I tend to believe Jeens neutral claim.
So, we should take this part of her analysis with a grain of salt.
The rest of it... well, I hate to say it, since it will mean I'm high on the list of suspects... she had good intentions and tried to help town.
So, for now I will put a vote on AVs suspect number 1.ValmarkLast edited by Rogan; 2021-06-05 at 07:41 AM.
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2021-06-04, 09:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-06-04, 09:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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AVs ISO posts from the beginning of the game.
I intend to reread AVs other posts as well. But not today. The song of birds singing in front of my window is a clear sign I should be asleep a long time ago...Last edited by Rogan; 2021-06-04 at 09:44 PM. Reason: Late night
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2021-06-04, 09:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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