OOTS #1015 - The Discussion Thread

[Zwiebelchen]

Wait, we are still discussing overcoming the vampire DR with favored enemy? Hasn't that train left the station already?

Vampires have a DR vulnerable to *magic* *blunt* damage. Guess what weapon the vampire is wielding? Exactly...

[Pyrous]

Wait, we are still discussing overcoming the vampire DR with favored enemy? Hasn't that train left the station already?

Vampires have a DR vulnerable to *magic* *blunt* damage. Guess what weapon the vampire is wielding? Exactly...

Vampires have DR 10/silver and magic.

This new vampire could be a vampire spawn though, in which case the DR is 5/silver.

[littlebum2002]

Vampires have a DR vulnerable to *magic* *blunt* damage. Guess what weapon the vampire is wielding? Exactly...

What does the vampire's weapon have to do with overcoming his own DR? He's going to hit himself with his weapon?

(And you're thinking of liches BTW)

[8BitNinja]

Wait, we are still discussing overcoming the vampire DR with favored enemy? Hasn't that train left the station already?

Vampires have a DR vulnerable to *magic* *blunt* damage. Guess what weapon the vampire is wielding? Exactly...

Craig: "Clyde said I was immune to magic and blunt damage"

[KorvinStarmast]

Uhh, can you not make me an accomplice to taking a dump on people for having a dumb rules argument? Thanks

You are not an accomplice to my post.

As an action, I praised your good post.

As a bonus action, I threw out my disappointment in the preceding efforts to pick the fly turds out of the pepper. As you can see, the zircon encrusted tweezers are still in use.

[8BitNinja]

You know that moment where you just read an oots comic, and want to read more?

[Quibblicious]

Rich himself is barely allowed artistic license, and he draws the thing!

I lost my artistic license after getting stuck in a poetry jam.

[8BitNinja]

I lost my artistic license after getting stuck in a poetry jam.

I've been in a gnomish one once

It was brutal

To this day I still have flashbacks

Liek if u crie every tiem I liek= 4d6 grammer and speeling checkz

[littlebum2002]

I lost my artistic license after getting stuck in a poetry jam.

My Artistic License is a fake ID

[Landeraxe]

If you recall from our readings he's going to fake character growth[/URL].

The other take on that is that by the simple act of faking character growth for long enough, it happens anyway, almost unintentionally.

Bingo! I look forward to that, if he survives. However, a part of me can't shake the gravity of the oracle's words concerning him.

[Seward]

Wait, we are still discussing overcoming the vampire DR with favored enemy? Hasn't that train left the station already?

Vampires have a DR vulnerable to *magic* *blunt* damage. Guess what weapon the vampire is wielding? Exactly...

magic+silver actually. Magic+blunt is Liches.

[Shining Wrath]

Bingo! I look forward to that, if he survives. However, a part of me can't shake the gravity of the oracle's words concerning him.

If being thrown off a mountain didn't kill him, he doesn't really have to worry about gravity.

[KorvinStarmast]

If being thrown off a mountain didn't kill him, he doesn't really have to worry about gravity.

Getting thrown off of a mountain isn't what kills you: it's that sudden stop at the bottom of the fall that kills you.

With Feather Fall mitigating that drop, the worry about gravity is mitigated until that feather fall device stops functioning.

[pendell]

Stupid question regarding the ring of feather fall:

As discussed earlier in thread it activates automatically after a fall of five feet, then lasts for sixty seconds. As discussed, this isn't enough time to save someone who's falling off a really high mountain.

BUT .... I've heard that it also has unlimited usage.

So here's one way it could be used, and allow the user to survive a fall such as that Belkar experienced;

1) User is kicked off the mountain.
2) User falls five feet. The ring activates.
3) The user falls for ((however many levels the ring's maker was) * 6 seconds) at a greatly reduced speed.

4) After that time, the effect terminates and the wearer resumes the fall with normal acceleration.
5) After ANOTHER five feet, the effect kicks in again.
6) Repeat steps one through five until landing occurs.

If the ring works in this fashion, a user could fall from the stratosphere and take no serious harm. In fact, it would be better than knowing the spell, since you wouldn't have to prepare and cast it, thus saving a spell slot.

Is that the way it's supposed to work?

Respectfully,

Brian P.

[rodneyAnonymous]

Is that the way it's supposed to work?

No, it would just reactivate every 5 feet, staying active until the wearer lands. Falling at a greatly reduced speed is still falling. Step 4 would not happen, there is no reason for the effect to terminate after 60 feet, it doesn't have to wear off before the ring is activated again.

[littlebum2002]

Stupid question regarding the ring of feather fall:

As discussed earlier in thread it activates automatically after a fall of five feet, then lasts for sixty seconds. As discussed, this isn't enough time to save someone who's falling off a really high mountain.

BUT .... I've heard that it also has unlimited usage.

So here's one way it could be used, and allow the user to survive a fall such as that Belkar experienced;

1) User is kicked off the mountain.
2) User falls five feet. The ring activates.
3) The user falls for ((however many levels the ring's maker was) * 6 seconds) at a greatly reduced speed.

4) After that time, the effect terminates and the wearer resumes the fall with normal acceleration.
5) After ANOTHER five feet, the effect kicks in again.
6) Repeat steps one through five until landing occurs.

If the ring works in this fashion, a user could fall from the stratosphere and take no serious harm. In fact, it would be better than knowing the spell, since you wouldn't have to prepare and cast it, thus saving a spell slot.

Is that the way it's supposed to work?

Respectfully,

Brian P.

That's how I always use it. Because magical items usually default to the lowest possible caster level, and having a ring that only stops you for 60' of a fall forever isn't all that useful. The only reason you need a Ring of Feather Falling isn't for the short falls, its for the long ones that would kill you. So it's either a pretty cheap but useless item or a pretty cheap and very useful item depending on your interpretation.

[rodneyAnonymous]

That's how I always use it. [...] So it's either a pretty cheap but useless item or a pretty cheap and very useful item depending on your interpretation.

That interpretation is wrong. The item is pretty cheap, and even more useful than that.

[littlebum2002]

That interpretation is wrong. The item is pretty cheap, and even more useful than that.

What I mean is that if you interpret it where it only negates the first 60' of a fall it's not a terribly useful item.

[rodneyAnonymous]

I understand, and I am saying that's wrong. It is basically continually on, but it only triggers if the fall is more than 5 feet. Being a truly continuous effect item (which is common, especially for magic rings) might be inconvenient for an adventurer.

[littlebum2002]

I understand, and I am saying that's wrong. It is basically continually on, but it only triggers if the fall is 5 feet or more. Being a truly continuous effect item (which is common, especially for magic rings) would be inconvenient.

Ahh gotcha. In that case I agree

[KorvinStarmast]

1) User is kicked off the mountain.
2) User falls five feet. The ring activates.
3) The user falls for ((however many levels the ring's maker was) * 6 seconds) at a greatly reduced speed.

4) After that time, the effect terminates and the wearer resumes the fall with normal acceleration.
5) After ANOTHER five feet, the effect kicks in again.
6) Repeat steps one through five until landing occurs.

This is why one should carry an air sickness bag when using a ring of feather fall and waltzing about near cliffs.

[pendell]

Thanks korvin, littlebum , and Rodney! I have been educated. I was always one for the emergency scroll of teleport, but that's not useful if your unconscious, but the ring -- since it reactivates every few steps and has unlimited usage -- is actually a pretty neat contingency item.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

[littlebum2002]

This is why one should carry an air sickness bag when using a ring of feather fall and waltzing about near cliffs.

If I was a DM, and you purposely parachuted in over the BBEG so you could stop-start featherfall, get sick, and vomit on him, I would totally give him a penalty to Fortitude saves for that fight simply because that is the best use of chemical warfare ever.

[8BitNinja]

If being thrown off a mountain didn't kill him, he doesn't really have to worry about gravity.

If he can survive falling that distance, he shouldn't have to worry about blunt force trauma at all

[rambaldi]

Stupid question regarding the ring of feather fall:

As discussed earlier in thread it activates automatically after a fall of five feet, then lasts for sixty seconds. As discussed, this isn't enough time to save someone who's falling off a really high mountain.

It has been posted before but people seem to be missing it (although the rest of your post was on something different so you can probably ignore this). Falling off a mountain is not the same as falling off a cliff. To fall off a mountain and fall all the way to the bottom you need a lot of sideways momentum, even with your ring of feather fall extending the duration of your fall. DnD doesn't really model momentum at all (although arguments can be made for things like charge/shield bash/lances yada yada yada). Belkar getting thrown off isn't going to send him all the way to the bottom just 400-600 feet (made up numbers) vertically depending on how steep the mountain is at that point. Still enough to go splat without the ring, but a distance that is recoverable within the time frame of the Gods moot.

[IamWeasel]

OOOH my mistake! I thought it started with silly nonsensical forum-created hypothetical situations but instead it started with silly nonsensical professionally-created D&D rules.

That's much worse.





And he's all out of bubblegum?

Mixed media quotes. He was going for a CSI David Caruso thing and you are in the movie They Live.

[Zwiebelchen]

magic+silver actually. Magic+blunt is Liches.

Ohh, you are right. Damnit, but at least I know where I got it from, cause I had been reading up on Lich and vampire creature features after some time spent in the geekery thread (this thread is pure brilliant evil btw).

Well, there goes my theory that Belkar is trying to disarm the vampire (followed by a hilarious weapon shrinkage joke) to beat him with his own weapon.

[Ron Miel]

magic+silver actually. Magic+blunt is Liches.

So why did Niu have a spikey ball when expecting skeletons? I thought the joke was that this was the ideal weapon for liches.

[lenon3579]

This... This sounds eerily possible. It'd explain how the vamps spread so quick when Durkon was on a tight timer.

Not possible... Durkula got the staff with him. He loses it during the fight with Roy, but it seems pretty unlikely that someone picked it up and handed it to a vampire outside, even if it was something possible to do.

[Pyrous]

So why did Niu have a spikey ball when expecting skeletons? I thought the joke was that this was the ideal weapon for liches.

That is a morningstar, it does piercing and bludgeoning damage. Note that she also has a warhammer and holy water.

Not possible... Durkula got the staff with him. He loses it during the fight with Roy, but it seems pretty unlikely that someone picked it up and handed it to a vampire outside, even if it was something possible to do.

I think Landeraxe was implying that the staff Durkula had in the gathering isn't Malack's staff, and he lent the real one to one of the new vampires so they could fast vamp the Creed during the voting.