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2010-06-23, 01:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Planar Shepherds
I was wondering if a druid/planar shepherd can hire a high level wizard to cast Genesis for him to create a demi-plane and then attune himself to the created demi-plane. Would you guys say this is possible?
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2010-06-23, 01:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Planar Shepherds
It depends on whether your DM considers a "demiplane" to be equivalent to a "plane."
Why would you want to though? There's one plane that already gives you everything you need - the Region of Dreams from MotP (pg. 201)
- Every creature in the game
- Fast time (10:1 rounds)
- Mildly Neutral
- Normal Magic
- Subjective Gravity
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2010-06-23, 02:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Planar Shepherds
Dal Quor- the Eberron version of the Region of Dreams? has the Enhanced Magic trait as well (for spells of the illusion subschool- which become extended)
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2010-06-24, 01:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Planar Shepherds
But custom planes are even better.
Choose divinely morphic, and you are literally God in your planar bubble.
You can also go for the Enhanced Magic (all) trait, which means everything has metamagic automatically applied. There's also the plane of dreams trait where, spell slots used while in there return when you go out of it. And if you die, you merely wake up.
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2010-06-24, 11:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Planar Shepherds
Are you shure the spell allows you to do all that when i looked it up it didnt mention being able to do any of that.
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2010-06-24, 11:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Planar Shepherds
It also depends on what exactly can be specified by Genesis. This argument has been had many times, and I think the end result is that it's ambiguous at best whether or not planar traits are allowed. Your DM is entirely within his rights to rule that Genesis planar traits are the same as Prime Material or Astral, without letting you choose Flowing Time and all that other jazz.
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2010-06-24, 11:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Planar Shepherds
"It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2010-06-24, 12:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Planar Shepherds
Well yes. And attempting to use "Planar Sheppard" and "Genesis" in the same breath is probably grounds for lighting the character sheet on fire. I just wanted to clarify that the super-lenient reading a lot of people assume works is by no means certain.
SpoilerPlanar traits aren't on the specifically-allowed list, nor are they things a caster can "visualize", but it might count under "environment" (but even that is not 100% under caster control, just "mostly"). The specific prohibition against the time trait from the Psi version complicates matters though, as it implies other traits are allowed, but even that doesn't outright say it.
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2010-06-24, 01:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-06-24, 01:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Planar Shepherds
Specific unique beings (deities or similar great powers)
But it's specific, so no one else can use it against you if you don't say they can.
I like the enhanced magic the most though
If a spell is enhanced, certain metamagic feats can be applied to it without changing the spell slot required or the casting time. Spellcasters on the plane are considered to have that feat or feats for the purpose of applying them to that spell.
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2010-06-24, 01:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-06-24, 01:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Planar Shepherds
Well, I've seen someone who wanted Planar Sheppard solely so they could be a Druid who turns into cuter and more colourful things like the Senmurv. The DM still said no, and rightly so, but it was a polite no rather than setting them as an example to the next ten generations of characters that some PrCs are just that bad.
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2010-06-24, 01:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-06-24, 01:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Planar Shepherds
In summary to the OP - IF your DM lets you play a Planar Sheppard, AND he allows the spell Genesis, AND he allows a very abusive and not at all necessary reading of Genesis's power... THEN you can probably get away with anything, so you might as well just roll PunPun and get it all over with already, because it's all downhill from here anyway.
For extra points, use the original Druid build for PunPun, and go Planar Sheppard on top of that for extra lulz.Last edited by sonofzeal; 2010-06-24 at 01:57 PM.
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2010-06-24, 02:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Planar Shepherds
No, the "specific" is referring to needing to have the divine ranks (deities or other Power who use the system) as opposed to any mortal being able to control it, not individual beings that someone specifies; Kord can muck around with Baator just as well as Ysgard, and if you statted Bel or Dispater with divine ranks they could mess with Celestia, Baator, and the Abyss equally.
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2010-06-24, 02:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Planar Shepherds
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