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2021-02-03, 11:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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What's The Science Behind The Groundhog Predicts The Season?
This is an inspiration for Groundhog Day which happened yesterday. Anyway, I never understand how can a groundhog can predict the season by its shadow. Is there science behind it or no?
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2021-02-03, 11:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's The Science Behind The Groundhog Predicts The Season?
There is no science at all. It's just a superstition.
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2021-02-03, 11:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's The Science Behind The Groundhog Predicts The Season?
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2021-02-03, 11:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-02-03, 11:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's The Science Behind The Groundhog Predicts The Season?
Supposedly, cloud cover helps retain heat. If the groundhog sees it's shadow, it's not cloudy, therefore it will take longer for the temperatures to return to normal.
But that's probably just nonsense to explain the superstition.
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2021-02-03, 02:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's The Science Behind The Groundhog Predicts The Season?
StarDate 2021-02-02
Originally Posted by Stardate.orgWarhammer 40,000 Campaign Skirmish Game: Warpstrike
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2021-02-03, 02:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's The Science Behind The Groundhog Predicts The Season?
The problem with that is that the seasons lag the solstices by months. In the northern hemisphere it's a toss up whether February or January is the coldest month, some places it's January, some it's February (is there anywhere far from a sea where it's December?), it tends to be nearness the Gulf stream or similar flows that makes the cold later.
Nearer the equator it doesn't make much difference, but in Britain or further north it matters quite a lot when the coldest times are.Last edited by halfeye; 2021-02-03 at 02:59 PM.
The end of what Son? The story? There is no end. There's just the point where the storytellers stop talking.
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2021-02-03, 07:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's The Science Behind The Groundhog Predicts The Season?
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2021-02-03, 07:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-02-08, 06:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's The Science Behind The Groundhog Predicts The Season?
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2021-02-09, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's The Science Behind The Groundhog Predicts The Season?
The high here for the next week is 8 Fahrenheit, dipping down to a biting -15. I conclude the groundhog decided screw this noise and retreated to the warmest hole he could locate.
Still better than two years ago, when we got polar vortexed all the way to -40. Delightfully, -40 is the same in Fahrenheit and Celsius, so you don't have worry about people complaining about how exactly you're measuring your happy fun weather times.Blood-red were his spurs i' the golden noon; wine-red was his velvet coat,
When they shot him down on the highway,
Down like a dog on the highway,And he lay in his blood on the highway, with the bunch of lace at his throat.
Alfred Noyes, The Highwayman, 1906.
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2021-02-16, 10:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's The Science Behind The Groundhog Predicts The Season?
The weird thing to me always was, how did they actually ever know what the groundhog saw? They might have missed their shadow, or thought it was something else. Is there a fellow on-staff fluent in groundhog whistles to ask him? And if so, how do I get that job?
Me: "Are you like, trying to destroy the world or something?"
DMPC: "...I'm eleven."
Me: *suspicious* "Is that a 'yes'?!"
―my current PTU campaign
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2021-02-17, 01:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's The Science Behind The Groundhog Predicts The Season?
The logical and cultural implications of this are very funny.
"We saw the groundhog scurry back into its hole."
"Groundhogs are timid creatures, so clearly it was scared."
"What's the most logical thing for it to be scared of?"
"Its shadow, obviously. We're all braver than groundhogs, but we're still terrified of our shadows."
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2021-02-17, 07:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2021-02-18, 07:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2021-02-18, 08:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's The Science Behind The Groundhog Predicts The Season?
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2021-02-18, 02:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-02-20, 08:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's The Science Behind The Groundhog Predicts The Season?
That's probably something that prevents it being easily defalsified.
Practically I think there's also a case that you do get seasonal events (e.g. this Texan snowfall) that do correlate with others (warmer weather in the northern states)
It doesn't seem unreasonable that a warmer day in early Feb is more likely to happen when you get an early spring and less likely when it's not (similarly a rainy St Swithen's day is more likely to be the case in the years when it's more likely to rain generally).
And with a bit of fudging about whether it really was a cold early spring or warm late winter, and "it might have been that bird he saw", a 60-40 predictability could easily be presented as 75-25 [with fake hindsight]Last edited by jayem; 2021-02-20 at 08:33 AM.
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2021-02-20, 01:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-02-20, 02:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2
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2021-02-21, 05:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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2021-02-21, 09:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What's The Science Behind The Groundhog Predicts The Season?
Well, Phil isn't the only player in the game (though they act like he is). Among a few notable others, there's Fred la marmotte, who as a father and son have been pulling weather prediction duty for a decade now. Unlike Phil, they are not undead abominations.
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
Number of times Roland St. Jude has sworn revenge upon me: 2