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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusk Eclipse View Post
    I think Darrin explains my point much better than I would be able to, so I'll limit myself to quote him



    Here is the class feature, as Darrin mentions in his TWF Off-handbook, the abilities are separated.


    Emphasis mine

    Now you or your DM may rule differently; I don't see the problem with allowing that, since you are burning two feats and a class level to simply be on par with level 1 Two handed fighter, but then again that might be just me.
    Thanks! That makes it a lot clearer, and I agree that the sentence in question puzzled me as well. It's a most reasonable interpretation.

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    In the end, I made up my mind of going off with Iaijutsu Master, so my build would go as follows, please rate it honestly. For now, the character is level 3rd, beyond 3rd is the planned build.

    It is a Factotum 8/Iaijutsu Master 8/Exotic Weapon Master 1/X 3

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    STR: 14
    DEX: 16
    CON: 8
    INT: 16
    WIS: 8
    CHA: 14

    Increases at 4th, 8th, 12th, 16th and 20th are as follows and in order:

    DEX, CHA, CHA, DEX, ?
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    Factotum 3

    Factotum 4
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    Factotum 6
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    Factotum 8
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    Iaijutsu Master 2
    Iaijutsu Master 3
    Iaijutsu Master 4
    Iaijutsu Master 5
    Iaijutsu Master 6
    Iaijutsu Master 7
    Iaijutsu Master 8
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    [Lv1] Faerie Mysteries Initiate (Passion)
    [Human] Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Katana)*
    [Spice Melange] Wild Talent
    [Flaw] Improved Initiative
    [Flaw] Quick Draw
    [Lv3] Weapon Focus (Katana)
    [Lv6] Flick of the Wrist
    [Lv9] Einhander
    [Iaijutsu Master] Weapon Finesse
    [Lv12] Combat Reflexes
    [Iaijutsu Master] Skill Focus (Iaijutsu Focus)
    [Lv15] Robilar's Gambit
    [Lv18] Power Attack

    *Listed as Katana, but it is essencially Bastard Sword.


    This game is aimed to reach 30th, so I am trying to move this as far as I can, but that's as far as I can think, the concept is in-place, and I thank you all for the ideas, any addition to the list?
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    Apart from knowing it exists, I know basically nothing about Iaijutsu Master. So take what I say next with that in mind.

    Factotum is extremely happy if you bump INT as high as possible. Font of Inspiration is an excellent feat that will get you extra Inspiration Points for... well everything the Factotum can do.

    Gnomish Quickrazor is an awesome weapon if you're focusing on Iaijutsu strikes as you can sheath it as a free action. You can use weapon familiarity to swap out a Gnome's original favoured weapon for another one (Complete Warrior lets you do this.)

    If you focus on Iaijutsu, then you're going to want to focus on getting as many abilities to keep your opponents flat footed. Things like; Grease, Sapphire Nightmare Blade, Acrobatic Backstab, Invisibility.

    Also stuff to increase your damage output: Knowledge Devotion, Collector of Stories.
    Whirling Blade allows you to multi target Iaijutsu strike (if you're undetected by everyone in the area).
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    Thing is I have no space for 2-4 Font of Inspiration feats, every feat from 1st to 3rd is a prerequisite for Iaijutsu Master, and Faerie Mysteries Initiate is to reduce MAD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UrashimaJamez View Post
    Thing is I have no space for 2-4 Font of Inspiration feats, every feat from 1st to 3rd is a prerequisite for Iaijutsu Master, and Faerie Mysteries Initiate is to reduce MAD.
    You can make an Iaijutsu focused character without Iaijutsu Master, which would free up those feats.
    Else if you want to stay with the PrC you may be able to custom craft items with the prereq/Font of Inspiration feats on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rubber Band View Post
    You can make an Iaijutsu focused character without Iaijutsu Master, which would free up those feats.
    Else if you want to stay with the PrC you may be able to custom craft items with the prereq/Font of Inspiration feats on them.
    And how a Iaijutsu character would go w/o Iaijutsu Master?
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    simply take the skill from an expert/factotum/Rokugan Samurai level and ignore the Iaijutsu master's abilty to add their Cha mod to each damage die since it requires a lot of feats and prestigue class levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malroth View Post
    simply take the skill from an expert/factotum/Rokugan Samurai level and ignore the Iaijutsu master's abilty to add their Cha mod to each damage die since it requires a lot of feats and prestigue class levels.
    So Xd6 damage + X times Cha mod isn't worth? How could I pump up my damage output then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UrashimaJamez View Post
    And how a Iaijutsu character would go w/o Iaijutsu Master?
    Everything that I posted here can easily be done with a Factotum.

    Factotum has become the defacto class for those who want to do an Iaijutsu character.
    They get the skill, Iaijutsu Focus, as a class skill (as they get all skills as class skills).
    They're Int based with a tonne of skill points and all Dex/Str skills get a bonus from Int. Use Knowledge Devotion and Collector of Stories to pump your Iaijutsu strikes' damage.
    They can use Cunning Insight (I think that's the one) to pump an Iaijutsu strike higher.
    They have access to extra actions. (Level 8)
    As you have Dex and Int to initiative (Int being your main stat and Dex being a very good second) you're mostly going first. If someone hasn't acted in combat they are flat footed.
    You've then got Gnomish Quickrazors for free action sheathing (Gnomes can swap out a racial weapon proficiency to be able to use these).
    Skill tricks like Acrobatic Backstab to make your opponents flat footed. Spells such as Invisibility to do the same.
    If you dip Warblade you can get Punishing Stance (extra damage) and Sapphire Nightmare Blade (another source of flat footed).

    As a Factotum you just have a tonne of utility and a million different options to do any problem you come up against.
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    Well I can't go gnome, but Quick Draw can be used to do a Quick Sheathe maneuver in our games. So that solves the Gnome Quickrazor factor, as I wanted my character to wield a Katana in the first place (you know, proficiencies).
    Is Skill Focus (Iaijutsu Focus) viable? Is Knowledge Devotion's bonus that good? The race I'm running, by the way, are psionically augmented humans that adquire the Wild Talent feat and a bonus skill point each level (4 at 1st), this is in addition to the human's bonus skill points, and bonus feat. Also, their favored classes are Erudite (Dragon Compendium), Factotum, and Beguiler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UrashimaJamez View Post
    Well I can't go gnome, but Quick Draw can be used to do a Quick Sheathe maneuver in our games. So that solves the Gnome Quickrazor factor, as I wanted my character to wield a Katana in the first place (you know, proficiencies).
    Is Skill Focus (Iaijutsu Focus) viable? Is Knowledge Devotion's bonus that good? The race I'm running, by the way, are psionically augmented humans that adquire the Wild Talent feat and a bonus skill point each level (4 at 1st), this is in addition to the human's bonus skill points, and bonus feat. Also, their favored classes are Erudite (Dragon Compendium), Factotum, and Beguiler.
    Looks like you're bloody well set then!
    I don't see why you couldn't get that skill focus. Also as it's a skill you could get a masterwork tool for it (a special scabbard that allows easier draw, or sharpens the blade when you draw/sheathe your weapon).
    Knowledge Devotion is rather good with a Factotum as you can always Cunning Surge the bonus damage and you'll have at least one point in each Knowledge skill. I mean, it's not like you don't get enough skill points
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    The Storm Knight is an interesting build from the boards formerly known as 339. Totally works with a 1 hander only. Plus, you have the potential to be a freaking airship captain1




    1 Assuming you are playing in a game with airships and the rules governing them are at least similar to the Eberron rules.
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    To finish up the factotum build, what about three levels of Unarmed Swordsage at strategic points? I know you don't want ToB, but you wouldn't be taking it for the maneuvers. Instead, you want the Wisdom to AC (switched to Int with Kung Fu Genius, ideally), and the free Weapon Focus and IUAS. This frees up a feat, with which you take Two Weapon Fighting. You also drop Einhander for Snap Kick and Robilar's Gambit for Superior Unarmed Strike. Assuming your DM rules you can sheathe your katana as a free action with Quick Draw, you can use Iaijutsu Focus with your unarmed strike since you don't need to attack with the weapon you just drew to get the extra damage. So every full attack, standard attack, or AoO you get another set of IF dice.

    Also, Emerald Razor is nice to supplement Flick of the Wrist. So are the Hidden Blade, Sudden Draw, and Acrobatic Backstab skill tricks.
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    I just have to wonder about this:

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    32 PB used.
    STR: 14
    DEX: 16
    CON: 8
    INT: 16
    WIS: 8
    CHA:14

    Increases at 4th, 8th, 12th, 16th and 20th are as follows and in order:

    DEX, CHA, CHA, DEX, ?

    This game is aimed to reach 30th, so I am trying to move this as far as I can, but that's as far as I can think, the concept is in-place, and I thank you all for the ideas, any addition to the list?
    Good luck getting to level 30 with a CON penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlowe View Post
    I just have to wonder about this:



    Good luck getting to level 30 with a CON penalty.
    Meh, go CON 3 and be a Necropolitan ASAP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlowe View Post
    I just have to wonder about this:



    Good luck getting to level 30 with a CON penalty.
    I think the appropriate response to this is... yolo?

    That's what that LoreDrake said, didn't he?
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    YOLO is gramatically incorrect. The proper acronym should be YLOO. I got pedant in my swag.
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    That's nice. I don't suppose it would trouble either of you gentlemen to speak English?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlowe View Post
    I just have to wonder about this:



    Good luck getting to level 30 with a CON penalty.
    He has Faerie Mysteries Initiate. Fortitude saves might be a problem, though.
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    Just looked that up. I no longer wonder why people ban Dragon magazine material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keld Denar View Post
    YOLO is gramatically incorrect. The proper acronym should be YLOO. I got pedant in my swag.
    I'm not arguing with the LoreDrake. It's his motto after all.

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    That's nice. I don't suppose it would trouble either of you gentlemen to speak English?
    Never. But if you're actually wondering... check this song out (I'm sorry in advance) Also NSFW.

    Good thing I hit preview before posting this. Still leaving it in for amusement. Apparently hyperlink trumps white text.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlowe View Post
    Just looked that up. I no longer wonder why people ban Dragon magazine material.
    Yeah, it's a bit much for me, and I have a pretty high dairy tolerance. However, there is some good stuff in there, so it's worth taking stuff from Dragon on a case-by-case basis if you have the time and experience to review it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff the Green View Post
    Yeah, it's a bit much for me, and I have a pretty high dairy tolerance. However, there is some good stuff in there, so it's worth taking stuff from Dragon on a case-by-case basis if you have the time and experience to review it.
    Which issue is it from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff the Green View Post
    Yeah, it's a bit much for me, and I have a pretty high dairy tolerance. However, there is some good stuff in there, so it's worth taking stuff from Dragon on a case-by-case basis if you have the time and experience to review it.
    Pretty much what I do. However it's not cheddar content that bothers me so much as that it's just plain bizarre. You get hp based on Intelligence because you had really great sex with a certain person a while ago.

    Sex+Intelligence=Hit Points.

    What.

    If it worked on Charisma, or if actual Fey races could take, it would make slightly more sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atemu1234 View Post
    Which issue is it from?
    319.

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    Pretty much what I do. However it's not cheddar content that bothers me so much as that it's just plain bizarre. You get hp based on Intelligence because you had really great sex with a certain person a while ago.

    Sex+Intelligence=Hit Points.

    What.

    If it worked on Charisma, or if actual Fey races could take, it would make slightly more sense.
    Sensual ≠ sexual. You could give each other massages or eat chocolate-covered fruit just as well as having sex.

    But yeah, it doesn't make any more sense to me.
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    "Physical fitness comes from a healthy diet and regular exercise; not from a chocolate-covered make-out session with a pointy-eared tart of indeterminate gender! Now we see the absurdity inherent in the system!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlowe View Post
    "Physical fitness comes from a healthy diet and regular exercise; not from a chocolate-covered make-out session with a pointy-eared tart of indeterminate gender! Now we see the absurdity inherent in the system!"
    ...can I sig this? It literally (meaning literally literally, not figuratively literally) made me laugh out loud.
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    Sure. Glad you enjoyed.

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    Sensual ≠ sexual. You could give each other massages or eat chocolate-covered fruit just as well as having sex.
    Or non-chocolate covered. Just ask Vonnegut!
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    So I worked up what we talked about a while ago, so I came up with this:

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    STR: 13
    DEX: 17
    CON: 8
    INT: 16
    WIS: 8
    CHA: 12

    Increases at 4th, 8th, 12th, 16th and 20th are as follows and in order:

    DEX, DEX, DEX, CHA, CHA.
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    [Lv1] Faerie Mysteries Initiate (Passion)
    [Human] Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Katana)*
    [Spice Melange] Wild Talent
    [Flaw] Font of Inspiration
    [Flaw] Quick Draw
    [Lv3] Flick of the Wrist
    [Lv6] Knowledge Devotion
    [Lv9] Einhander
    [Lv12] Font of Inspiration
    [Lv15] Font of Inspiration
    [Lv18] ?

    *Listed as Katana, but it is essencially Bastard Sword.


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