Tactics of the Extremely Tiny

[TripperdeCleric]

First off I would like to say this is off from Birdmans Idea of the Morbidly Obese and his tactics.

Now I have an idea that came from reading his...what If I was extremely small?

I mean like I could be eaten...do you die when you are eaten? Or could I be an organ stabber?

I know the exit would suck...but in general how small can I get?


On another note...any other tactics with a small small person?

[Starscream]

Well, any character of Small size or smaller can take the Confound the Big Folk tactical feat from RoW. It's pretty awesome, and one of the main reasons I prefer to play halfling rogues, even though humans are usually better at everything.

[TripperdeCleric]

What is that book? and what does the feat do?

[arguskos]

Well, any character of Small size or smaller can take the Confound the Big Folk tactical feat from RoW. It's pretty awesome, and one of the main reasons I prefer to play halfling rogues, even though humans are usually better at everything.

Dude, Hengyokai Sparrow Warlock with Confound the Big Folk. Proceed to giggle madly.

[TripperdeCleric]

So the idea is not a dead one and has been used before I see.

[arguskos]

So the idea is not a dead one and has been used before I see.

Hell yeah. Hengyokai (Sparrow) is like the go-to race for Confound the Big Folk silliness. Hit up Races of the Wild for Confound the Big Folk (IIRC) and Oriental Adventures for Hengyokai. Proceed to giggle.

[BIRDMANﺕ]

Well to be honest my thread was about really really really really fat characters not necessarily big. but yeah tiny characters definitely can be useful. Nice pranksters and stealth... also in a large group they can be pretty silly

Like that one scene in army of darkness.... or if you go for an Anorexic like character he could be so skinny the guards can be all "Stop Right there Criminal Scum!" and then you get locked up but since your so anorexic skinny you actually fit in between the bars!

but your talking about tiny. Tiny things very useful I can see... despite being easily eaten and having a very interesting set of enemies to fight. (You thought housecats were a danger to the aspiring first level wizard wait till your smaller than a mouse!)

[Kylarra]

Pixie warlock! invisible laser shooting sprites

[sofawall]

DC 80 escape Artist check to climb up someone's rear
Enlarge person.
???
Profit!

Also, gives a chance for the old rectum/killed 'em line.

[BIRDMANﺕ]

DC 80 escape Artist check to climb up someone's rear
Enlarge person.
???
Profit!

Also, gives a chance for the old rectum/killed 'em line.

OOOOOOOH! thats gotta hurt!

[TripperdeCleric]

DC 80 escape Artist check to climb up someone's rear
Enlarge person.
???
Profit!

Also, gives a chance for the old rectum/killed 'em line.

Oh thats just nasty...


What about if I went with skinny and tiny?

I mean I could crawl into your ear...my biggest enemy would be bugs/cats/stomach acid...and the all famous rain/snow

[BIRDMANﺕ]

Oh thats just nasty...


What about if I went with skinny and tiny?

I mean I could crawl into your ear...my biggest enemy would be bugs/cats/stomach acid...and the all famous rain/snow

yeah you could crawl into ears and all of your enemies would be everything from "Honey I shrunk the kids"

[TripperdeCleric]

yeah you could crawl into ears and all of your enemies would be everything from "Honey I shrunk the kids"

That and a powerful spy and a flea sized attacker..making it alot of fun...would need a high jump skill. Wonder if I can use a roach as a mount...

[BIRDMANﺕ]

That and a powerful spy and a flea sized attacker..making it alot of fun...would need a high jump skill. Wonder if I can use a roach as a mount...

well that all depends if you can tame it.... a bee would be a good mount too

[TripperdeCleric]

well that all depends if you can tame it.... a bee would be a good mount too

Hmmm..I wonder if i could...maybe i should make a mini druid and have fun with that...

[BIRDMANﺕ]

Hmmm..I wonder if i could...maybe i should make a mini druid and have fun with that...

Yes a tiny druid that can summon bees or wildshape into tiny insects as well...

Actually... a flea for a mount would be AWESOME.

[sofawall]

This was an oldpost I found that I copied into notepad a long while back. I just found it:

Extremely Tight Space: This is the DC for getting through a space when one’s head shouldn’t even be able to fit; this can be as small as 2 inches square for Medium-size creatures. Halve this limit for each size category less than Medium-size; double it for each size category greater than Medium-size. If the space is long, such as in a chimney, multiple checks may be called for.
See, I'm sure they were thinking of sliding between the bars in a cage, or moving up a chimney, except it was pointed out, on the thread which exists no longer, that one could therefore use such a skill check to fit inside someone's arse. Indeed, the entire party could fit themselves in the backside of a hireling/captive/monster that they hit with a Hold Monster spell, and then choose the right moment to leap out, surprising all foes.

Or using one of the "You grow. If you are in a container or room that you can't fit in, make a STR check to break it open." abilities. Possibly while wearing full plate.

A CharOp board thread was made to try getting +70 (so as to take 10) as early as possible, with ideal abilities to use once there, but I don't like the chances of it not being deleted.

[TripperdeCleric]

Yes a tiny druid that can summon bees or wildshape into tiny insects as well...

Actually... a flea for a mount would be AWESOME.

Im going to work on it...how do i achieve such tiny size though?

[BIRDMANﺕ]

Im going to work on it...how do i achieve such tiny size though?

well there is clearly races of course...

Brownies tend to be very very tiny... (no not the chocolate ones!

[Starscream]

Im going to work on it...how do i achieve such tiny size though?

There aren't many tiny races, but a few do exist. Imp, Petal, and so on. Then there are a few that can be tiny at will, like Tibbits.

Then, if you want to go even smaller, cast reduce person and become diminutive. I think there's an item somewhere that let's you always be under the effects of that spell. I forget what it's called, but I think it's from Lords of Madness.

[TripperdeCleric]

where is that race that can change smaller at will? ill try and hunt that item down.

[BIRDMANﺕ]

where is that race that can change smaller at will? ill try and hunt that item down.

It's the dragon compendium and its almost smaller at will. basiclly its a werehousecat kinda cute, and kinda creepy at the same time

[TripperdeCleric]

Ill hunter it down and try this spy idea.

[BIRDMANﺕ]

Ill hunter it down and try this spy idea.

yeah dragon compendium isnt a bad book. its basiclly all this popular stuff from dragon magazine. I personally like the jester class the best from it

[TripperdeCleric]

I dont know just looking for a fun idea for later in my life once I join another game or this one ends.

[Starscream]

It's the dragon compendium and its almost smaller at will. basiclly its a werehousecat kinda cute, and kinda creepy at the same time

Yeah, you can become a housecat at will.

Downsides, though. As a cat you can't cast spells with somatic components, and wielding weapons is out of the question.

Also, you are a Monstrous Humanoid, and so can't be affected by Reduce Person to become even smaller. Reduce Animal is still probably on the table, but since you can't cast for yourself in that form, you'd need someone to do it for you.

[TripperdeCleric]

Yeah, you can become a housecat at will.

Downsides, though. As a cat you can't cast spells with somatic components, and wielding weapons is out of the question.

Also, you are a Monstrous Humanoid, and so can't be affected by Reduce Person to become even smaller. Reduce Animal is still probably on the table, but since you can't cast for yourself in that form, you'd need someone to do it for you.

Whats another choice then?

[Starscream]

Whats another choice then?

Well, I've looked it up, and there is indeed a magic item in LoM that can help. The Ring of Reduction costs 20K and can reduce the size of any intelligent creature, regardless of type. So combine with any tiny sized race and enjoy.

[TripperdeCleric]

Well, I've looked it up, and there is indeed a magic item in LoM that can help. The Ring of Reduction costs 20K and can reduce the size of any intelligent creature, regardless of type. So combine with any tiny sized race and enjoy.

Can you wear 2 of these for combined effect? Or even 4 if you have wear extra rings?


On another note..Im kinda likeing Brownie

[Starscream]

Can you wear 2 of these for combined effect? Or even 4 if you have wear extra rings?

I seriously doubt it. There's also the Hengeyokai option. A sparrow is already Fine, which is basically as low as you can go within the rules.