I'll Smash You to Pieces! (3.5 Feats, PEACH)

[NeoSeraphi]

Strike of the Minotaur (Fighter)
Prerequisites: Str 13, Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Any Melee Bludgeoning Weapon), Power Attack, Improved Sunder
Benefits: When successfully destroy a creature's weapon or shield with a Sunder attempt, you may make a second Sunder attempt at the same bonus as a free action against any valid item target within your melee reach. You only gain this benefit if you are wielding an exotic melee bludgeoning weapon in both hands. This feat does not stack with itself, but you may get multiple uses out of it per round (if you use your iterative attacks to Sunder).
Special: If you gain a way to Sunder armor, such as through the Deadly Concussion feat, this feat's benefit also applies to successful Sundering of armor.


Might of the Minotaur (Fighter)
Prerequisites: Str 13, Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Any Melee Bludgeoning Weapon), Power Attack
Benefit: You can put an amazing amount of force behind your swings with your hammer. You add twice your Strength modifier to weapon damage rolls made with an exotic melee bludgeoning weapon you hold in both hands, instead of 1 1/2 times your Strength modifier. If you make a Power Attack with at least a -5 penalty while wielding an exotic melee bludgeoning weapon in both hands, you add three times your Strength modifier to all weapon damage rolls you make that round, instead of twice your Strength modifier.


Bloody Rampage of the Minotaur (Fighter)
Prerequisites: Str 13, Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Any Melee Bludgeoning Weapon), Power Attack, Improved Sunder, Combat Brute, BAB +6
Benefit: You can use the momentum from shattering a foe's item to crush them to pieces. When you use the Sundering Cleave tactical maneuver from the Combat Brute feat while wielding an exotic melee bludgeoning weapon in two hands, you take a -2 penalty to your attack roll. If you hit, your attack automatically threatens a critical hit.


Shattering Hammer (Fighter)
Prerequisites: Str 13, Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Any Melee Bludgeoning Weapon), Power Attack, Improved Sunder
Benefit: You can make Sunder attempts against armor worn by creatures. You only gain this benefit while wielding an exotic melee bludgeoning weapon in both hands.


Devastating Hammer (Fighter)
Prerequisites: Str 13, Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Any Melee Bludgeoning Weapon), Power Attack, Improved Sunder, Shattering Hammer
Benefit: When attempting to Sunder a non-weapon item while wielding an exotic melee bludgeoning weapon in both hands, you ignore all hardness if the item has hardness of less than 20. If you attempt to Sunder a non-weapon item while wielding an adamantine exotic melee bludgeoning weapon in both hands, you instead ignore the item's hardness completely.

[Hiro Protagonest]

Wrong section.

[NeoSeraphi]

Wrong section.

Craaaaaaaaaaap! Thanks Swift.

[Wyntonian]

These look pretty solid. Good bonuses, reasonable pre-req's. Overall a good job.

[NeoSeraphi]

These look pretty solid. Good bonuses, reasonable pre-req's. Overall a good job.

Why thank you, Wyn. Those orcs and their masterwork shortswords are going to wish they had never been born.

[Hiro Protagonest]

Craaaaaaaaaaap! Thanks Swift.

Geez, how many months have I had this username now?

And the fact that this avatar is completely unassociated to my old name is another thing.

[Dumbledore lives]

I don't think you need quite so many prerequisites for Bloody Rampage, because six feats is a huge investment for anyone but a fighter, for example a barbarian taking it would only gain it as his last feat at level 18. I'd say don't require strike or might, just BAB +6 and it should be fine.

[Hiro Protagonest]

I guess I should actually post some feedback.

...I'm stuck on wondering how you carve someone up with a hammer.

Anyway, why is this Minotaur Greathammer only? What if it was...
Requirement: you must be wielding two-handed bludgeoning weapon, or a one-handed bludgeoning weapons being wielded in two or more hands.

[NeoSeraphi]

Geez, how many months have I had this username now?

And the fact that this avatar is completely unassociated to my old name is another thing.

Sorry. SwiftMongoose is, in my opinion, the superior username.

I don't think you need quite so many prerequisites for Bloody Rampage, because six feats is a huge investment for anyone but a fighter, for example a barbarian taking it would only gain it as his last feat at level 18. I'd say don't require strike or might, just BAB +6 and it should be fine.

The Minotaur Greathammer has a critical multiplier of x4. You automatically get to deal quadruple damage for pretty much free, in addition to smashing through someone's armor. It should be expensive (I think quadruple damage at-will is a pretty nice end to a six feat chain, actually)

[bobthe6th]

wait... these feats involve no carving!

not sure on the exact stats of a great hammer, but I think the crit was x4. so instant quad damage for the fighter at the end of his charge?

and nija'd... annoyed

[NeoSeraphi]

I guess I should actually post some feedback.

...I'm stuck on wondering how you carve someone up with a hammer.

Anyway, why is this Minotaur Greathammer only? What if it was...
Requirement: you must be wielding two-handed bludgeoning weapon, or a one-handed bludgeoning weapons being wielded in two or more hands.

Because the Minotaur Greathammer is clearly the superior bludgeoning weapon. It smashes face harder than mauls or flails.

Don't think of it as singling the minotaur greathammer out. Think of it as making the minotaur greathammer actually worth the Exotic Weapon Proficiency feat.

[NeoSeraphi]

wait... these feats involve no carving!

not sure on the exact stats of a great hammer, but I think the crit was x4. so instant quad damage for the fighter at the end of his charge?

and nija'd... annoyed

The carving refers to the items being Sundered, not the enemy.

Edit: Changed the title. Better now?

[bobthe6th]

sorry, my smart ass habits were playing up.

I'm not sure about these feats though... some DMs make enemy equipment not retrievable, or worthless. then breaking it is fine. but some DMs let you loot properly... and a sword is a few good GP.

[NeoSeraphi]

sorry, my smart ass habits were playing up.

I'm not sure about these feats though... some DMs make enemy equipment not retrievable, or worthless. then breaking it is fine. but some DMs let you loot properly... and a sword is a few good GP.

These feats are obviously not for people who don't want to Sunder. They are definitely for people who want to Sunder everything. (Except Might of the Minotaur. That's just power)

So, ignoring the underlying problem with the Sunder maneuver, what do you think of the feats?

[bobthe6th]

fun, scary in the hands of an ubercharger but fun. I don't have a good balance point for long feat chains like that though...

I could see players geting pissed when the minotaur breaks all their stuff though, and the DM having to field more natural weapon heavy foes. perhaps a feat to allow for sundering natural weapons?

the middle feat... well, again, scarry in the hands of an uber charger. not quite to chargadin levels but scarry none the less.

[NeoSeraphi]

I could see players geting pissed when the minotaur breaks all their stuff though, and the DM having to field more natural weapon heavy foes. perhaps a feat to allow for sundering natural weapons?

Yeah, that's why generally speaking DMs don't Sunder players' gear (at least, not without telling them about it beforehand)

[bobthe6th]

but but but... the look on the fighters face as his last shred of meaning is lost to a hammer is priceless! admittedly shatter is more entertaining but still...

really, I think more sunder focus would be good. the first feat is good for that, but the second drops the ball. then the last feat is crazy bonus damage veiled with sunder.

the middle one just... bothers me. I would rather see more sundering in the middle of the chain, then super charging the damage... but thats just me. perhapce some anti- construct power boost?

[NeoSeraphi]

but but but... the look on the fighters face as his last shred of meaning is lost to a hammer is priceless! admittedly shatter is more entertaining but still...

really, I think more sunder focus would be good. the first feat is good for that, but the second drops the ball. then the last feat is crazy bonus damage veiled with sunder.

the middle one just... bothers me. I would rather see more sundering in the middle of the chain, then super charging the damage... but thats just me. perhapce some anti- construct power boost?

Anti-Construct Power Boost is completely invalidated by the fact that every Sunder build in existence is getting an adamantine weapon anyway. But...Okay let's see what I can do about more Sunder support. Hold on.

[NeoSeraphi]

Added Shattering Hammer and Devastating Hammer.

[bobthe6th]

heh, mountain sides.

[Noctis Vigil]

Congratulations, you have now guaranteed every campaign I GM will make a player cry. Thank you.

In all seriousness, these are nice feats. I can actually see these getting use in one of the games I'm running (where the one using them will be, amusingly, a minotaur).

[Cieyrin]

Because the Minotaur Greathammer is clearly the superior bludgeoning weapon. It smashes face harder than mauls or flails.

Don't think of it as singling the minotaur greathammer out. Think of it as making the minotaur greathammer actually worth the Exotic Weapon Proficiency feat.

I don't see why you couldn't do it with a Goliath Greathammer, a maul, a Ramhammer or a Warmace. Especially since the Minotaur Greathammer is just a poorly edited copy of the Goliath Greathammer.

Also, hope you're a Greathorn Minotaur to really push the minotaurness.

[herrhauptmann]

I think you should include a caveat for Bloody rampage that some or all 'autoconfirms' for crits won't work with the feat.
ex: Blessed weapon, particularly BoED version. Autoconfirm on crits against evil creatures.
Taking a mere -2 on attack for a guaranteed x4 damage is pretty sweet. But putting that on a PC will make the DM cry, and make the rest of the party useless in melee besides their flanking bonuses.
Perhaps, if you use the feat, and roll a crit threat anyway, it should autoconfirm.

And yeah, I also wish you'd expanded it for other bludgeoning weapons, not just the minotaur greathammer. It's a sad fact that bludgeoning is the unwanted stepchild of melee, while slashing weapons are the golden-child.

[NeoSeraphi]

Okay, updated. The feats now apply to any exotic melee bludgeoning weapon you hold in both hands.

[Hiro Protagonest]

I don't see why you couldn't do it with a Goliath Greathammer, a maul, a Ramhammer or a Warmace. Especially since the Minotaur Greathammer is just a poorly edited copy of the Goliath Greathammer.

No, Goliath Greathammer is a poorly edited copy of Minotaur Greathammer. Minotaur Greathammer is actually worth the feat.

[NeoSeraphi]

No, Goliath Greathammer is a poorly edited copy of Minotaur Greathammer. Minotaur Greathammer is actually worth the feat.

Indeed. A +2 bonus to Sunder checks (which are just attack rolls with Size modifiers) is not worth the blow that minotaur greathammer took.

[Cieyrin]

No, Goliath Greathammer is a poorly edited copy of Minotaur Greathammer. Minotaur Greathammer is actually worth the feat.

Races of Stone came out in August 2004. Monster Manual IV came out July 2006. I really doubt they based the Goliath Greathammer on a weapon that didn't exist. The difference between the Minotaur Greathammer and Goliath Greathammer is the Minotaur one may or may not have a 19-20 crit range, since the minotaur stat block says it's just x4 and the latter section says 19-20/x4. It also doesn't list a price, unlike the Goliath Greathammer They also both have that +2 sunder bonus, so either you use Races of Stone version, which doesn't need any DM fiat on how to acquire one or you talk to your DM about the exact stats of the MM4 version. Having to decide what those stats are to me sounds like bad editing. There was no errata, either, since it was on the tail end of 3.5, but what do I know, a d12 x4 bludgeoning weapon that gives a bonus to sundering is apparently not enough in comparison to a Greataxe or Heavy Flail. *shrug*

[NeoSeraphi]

Races of Stone came out in August 2004. Monster Manual IV came out July 2006. I really doubt they based the Goliath Greathammer on a weapon that didn't exist. The difference between the Minotaur Greathammer and Goliath Greathammer is the Minotaur one may or may not have a 19-20 crit range, since the minotaur stat block says it's just x4 and the latter section says 19-20/x4. It also doesn't list a price, unlike the Goliath Greathammer They also both have that +2 sunder bonus, so either you use Races of Stone version, which doesn't need any DM fiat on how to acquire one or you talk to your DM about the exact stats of the MM4 version. Having to decide what those stats are to me sounds like bad editing. There was no errata, either, since it was on the tail end of 3.5, but what do I know, a d12 x4 bludgeoning weapon that gives a bonus to sundering is apparently not enough in comparison to a Greataxe or Heavy Flail. *shrug*

It does give a +2 bonus to Sundering? Well, my knowledge was from a third-party source. Thanks Cieryin. That's good to know.

[Cieyrin]

It does give a +2 bonus to Sundering? Well, my knowledge was from a third-party source. Thanks Cieryin. That's good to know.

I rant passive aggressively for the good of all on the forum. You are all welcome.

[NeoSeraphi]

I rant passive aggressively for the good of all on the forum. You are all welcome.

I'd trust the actual weapon's entry over the minotaur entry though. WotC fails at sample characters all the time. (Level 1 Psychic Warrior has Weapon Focus as his feat, for instance)