Doctor Who (again) [SPOILERS]

[horngeek]

...holy ****, you're right. That could have multiple meanings.

But still. WHO makes something like this a SEASON OPENER?

Moffat, the rest of this season had better be as good as this episode.

[Kobold-Bard]

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Moffat, the rest of this season had better be as good as this episode.

You are likely going to be disappointed.

[Starscream]

You are likely going to be disappointed.

Well, they can't all be winners. I personally thought season 5 was excellent, with only Vampires in Venice and the 2nd Silurian episode being a little "meh".

But Neil Freaking Gaiman is writing one this season. That had better be epic!

[BRC]

Well, they can't all be winners. I personally thought season 5 was excellent, with only Vampires in Venice and the 2nd Silurian episode being a little "meh".

But Neil "Scary Trousers" Gaiman is writing one this season. That had better be epic!

I didn't mind Vampires in Venice. I didn't care for Spitfires in Space because Science Does Not Work That Way, and I didn't like the Silurians. The rest of the season was varying levels of amazing.

[Starscream]

I didn't mind Vampires in Venice. I didn't care for Spitfires in Space because Science Does Not Work That Way, and I didn't like the Silurians. The rest of the season was varying levels of amazing.

To me the spitfires were totally justified by Rule of Cool.

DW isn't much for hard science. I'd never accept that from, say, Star Trek.

[Avaris]

Ok, new episode...

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I don't know what on earth is going on, but I'm enjoying it. This episode was fairly awesome... so. many. questions.

Number one of which... THE LITTLE GIRL IS A TIMELORD?!? I think we may have just been shown how Who will continue without the doctor...

Also, point of debate beyond ravid 'OMGOMGOMG!', which is most of what you'll get from me. Current Who is definately providing one season long story, to the extent that individual episodes don't have so much of a self-contained plot. I love this, my family less so. What do others think?

[Kobold-Bard]

So....apparently I have to now go back and watch most of last Season now that we know what the Silence was and laugh as it all makes sorta sense.

There goes my tomorrow.

And I'll bow to peer pressure since the OP hasn't added spoiler tags to the title yet:

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Little girl is a Time Lord. mfw:


Perhaps Jennie, or Rory & Amy's baby with a time head/timelorditis?

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More importantly, is this our final input from River? <crosses fingers>

[factotum]

Definitely more questions than answers in this one, although it seems likely we'll be seeing Canton again at some point...

Kobold, re: River Song:

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Obviously it can't be the last time we see her because the snog at the end was the first time she'd done that from the Doctor's point of view, whereas it seems clear she'd done that to him a number of times in her timeline.

What's with all the River hating anyway? She seems fine as a character to me.

[Kobold-Bard]

Definitely more questions than answers in this one, although it seems likely we'll be seeing Canton again at some point...

Kobold, re: River Song:

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Obviously it can't be the last time we see her because the snog at the end was the first time she'd done that from the Doctor's point of view, whereas it seems clear she'd done that to him a number of times in her timeline.

What's with all the River hating anyway? She seems fine as a character to me.

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Hmm....I suppose that makes sense. Annoyingly.

I don't hate her, I just want a conclusion to her flippin' story.

[Dvil]

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Well, we know that the kid at the end isn't Amy's baby (whatever's up with that whole baby thing), because she regenerated nine months after Amy first told the Doctor she was pregnant.

[Drglenn]

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Hmm....I suppose that makes sense. Annoyingly.

I don't hate her, I just want a conclusion to her flippin' story.

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We've already had the conclusion (Forest of the dead) its the beginning you want to see.

Which may or may not happen this series. Though Doctor Who Confidential outwardly states that we're going to be seeing more of River this series.

[Kobold-Bard]

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We've already had the conclusion (Forest of the dead) its the beginning you want to see.

Which may or may not happen this series. Though Doctor Who Confidential outwardly states that we're going to be seeing more of River this series.

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True.

And crud

[Jibar]

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Well, we know that the kid at the end isn't Amy's baby (whatever's up with that whole baby thing), because she regenerated nine months after Amy first told the Doctor she was pregnant.

You're honestly citing time passed as evidence in a series about time travel?
Really?

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I think a better question about the timing is how it took her 6 months to die from living by herself. I would've guessed sooner in the 70s.

[Dvil]

You're honestly citing time passed as evidence in a series about time travel?
Really?

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That kid..

.. probably doesn't have access to a TARDIS. I may be wrong, but just sayin'

[Heliomance]

Well, that raised more questions than it answered.

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My theory: overlapping timelines. On timeline where Amy had a kid with the Doctor, one (ours) where she didn't. For some reason, the two timelines are colliding, hence the "pregnant/not pregnant/pregnant/not pregnant" thing the scanner did.

[Jibar]

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That kid..

.. probably doesn't have access to a TARDIS. I may be wrong, but just sayin'

I'd say maybe

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that kid

IS a TARDIS, but then I'd sound like a TvTropes WMG page.

Besides, Jack bip booped all over the place with a watch and River did the same. Time Travel doesn't seem exclusive to TARDISes... TARDI? Whatever the plural is.

[Avaris]

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On the River Song front, I'm really enjoying her character arc. Her romance with the doctor is far better than previous ones, quite possibly as she is only around half the time. I actually found the bit at the end of today's episode really sad; the first time I've felt like I've cared even remotely about the whomances.

[Iskandar]

I gotta admit, that was an EXTREMELY clever thing the doctor did there. "You should kill us on sight." indeed. Whoops.

And the last minute of the episode... I sounded like the Tenth Doctor for a moment "What? What. What!"

[Dvil]

Besides, Jack bip booped all over the place with a watch and River did the same. Time Travel doesn't seem exclusive to TARDISes... TARDI? Whatever the plural is.

TARDsIS? It looks weird, but if you separate out the acronym then that makes sense. You do have a good point though, time-travel tech isn't as sparse as I thought. But then, what's the significance of it being "6 months later"? I'm even more confused now.

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On the River Song front, I'm really enjoying her character arc. Her romance with the doctor is far better than previous ones, quite possibly as she is only around half the time. I actually found the bit at the end of today's episode really sad; the first time I've felt like I've cared even remotely about the whomances.

I agree completely.

[Starscream]

That was pretty awesome. I have no idea what's going on, but I'm loving every moment of it.

[Aidan305]

Wow, that was impressive.

Moffat definitely has a gift. First he makes us terrified of stopped clocks, then statues, following that up with dust, shadows and nothing at all.

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The Silents are certainly one of the most intriguing villains I've ever come across in Dr Who. As for the girl, is it possible that the Doctor and Amy got together but completely forgot it all due to the machinations of the Silents?

[Thufir]

You missed out children at the start there.
Also, I think it's fair to say at this point that Moffat is just trying to make our heads explode with this stuff.
More specific comments to come later.

"[SPOILERS]" added to thread title, but I think it might still be good to institute some set period of time after the new episode during which we still talk in spoiler tags. Don't know how long that should be, though. A week would be far too long, sorry Australia, but until the episode's been aired in America maybe? How long would that be? I don't know time zones.

[Aidan305]

Pony thread gives it two and a half days.

[Giggling Ghast]

Well, the episode just aired in Canada.

That was a bit difficult to follow. Not sure how they got from escaping NASA to being hunted down throughout America and the Doctor in chains, but it was obviously a scheme of the Doctor to build that impregnable enclosure.

Pretty impressive conclusion, however. River gave me a laugh with that "I'm an archaeologist" bit.

Regarding Amy Pond's pregnancy:

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Did my eyes decieve me or was the Doctor's scanner alternating "positive" and "negative"?

[Rappy]

My own personal epileptic tree is that...

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The little girl is the Rani.

It won't happen due to the all-encompassing might of Copyright Arguments, I know, but I can dream, right?

[Mauve Shirt]

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WHAT TIME LORD AMY'S DAUGHTER WHAT?!
If that's Amy's daughter. Even if it's not, WHAT?!
My friend just had a terrifying thought: what if the girl is River?
That doesn't hold because River is human. Right?

[Fifty-Eyed Fred]

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WHAT TIME LORD AMY'S DAUGHTER WHAT?!
If that's Amy's daughter. Even if it's not, WHAT?!
My friend just had a terrifying thought: what if the girl is River?
That doesn't hold because River is human. Right?

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Not to mention potentially incestuous...

[Szilard]

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Last week I briefly mused that the Doctor was the father and that the girl was Amy's daughter. This week... I have no idea. It'd be interesting if she was Jenny, but I don't think Jenny changes when she regenerates. Hmm... this is gonna be a great season.

[Leecros]

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I think a better question about the timing is how it took her 6 months to die from living by herself. I would've guessed sooner in the 70s.

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On that point....she could have died previously. She didn't seem all that concerned/confused/shocked/insert emotion here when she did regenerate.

Do Timelords get any kind of innate knowledge as to how regeneration works?

[Lioness]

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She kissed him! Yes!

Woohoo *dances*

I ship them...so much.

Uhm, anyways.

Possibly because of my shipping...I think it's also possible that the girl is the daughter of River + Doctor. Because, surely, there'd need to be some time lord blood in there somewhere.

Also, I thought Rory's comment at the end was interesting..."Exactly what sort of Doctor are you?"

She just says "Archaeologist"...but, well, she could so easily be lying.