Upick 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Snowblaze]

Why is everyone trusting me?

(Note to self: find the particular quote I think makes Meta not a wolf when I start going through bladescape/gac3).

[bladescape]

Why is everyone trusting me?

(Note to self: find the particular quote I think makes Meta not a wolf when I start going through bladescape/gac3).

The wolves tried to use you to save Cao.

Easy.

[Rogan]

Why is everyone trusting me?

For me three reasons.
1) You got Cao lynched. You started the wagon with weak reasons, but stayed there till the end.
2) A logical facility, as it's unlikely the top two wagons are both wolves.
3) You got my alignment right and show the right amount of confidence.

Sure, you still could be a wolf, banking on point 2. Or the SK. Or another neutral. But honestly? I expect you to die tonight. If you don't, I can start to be paranoid again.

[Book Wombat]

.I had the same feeling especially during the first two-three pages of the game. You're posting a lot, the vast majority of them short and jokey with no content. It brims with excitement, and that often gives away a serial killer, more so than a wolf because they have their wolf chat to HYPE! HYPE! HYPE! HYPE! in. That, or you must really like what Unavenger came up with for your concept.

Tit for tat now: what was that spoilered message about?

1. Makes sense, though one reason is that I'm currently in holiday so I have more free time and I like making jokes like that.
The latter is correct, even though it was my second choice.
Being the Serial Killer's twin brother the Survivor is a new feeling. Thirteen really is an auspicious number.

2. The "telegram" is important for the recipient. Not going to say more than that.

[Snowblaze]

I understand why people are townreading me, just not why they think my reads are likely to be accurate. I get stuff wrong a lot.

Also, I might have started the wagon on the Cape, but it's hardly my original joke reason that has folks pile up on him like that.

Here's the Meta quote I was thinking of, as a response to my waffle about them yesterday. If you're a wolf bussing your partner, and you're being suspected, do you turn round and say "but it's not my fault this wolf is being wagoned"? I certainly don't.

Beyond that it's just generally the fact they had plenty of opportunities to escape the Caoimhin wagon if their initial vote was "distancing gone wrong" but didn't take any of them.

- - - Updated - - -

Also is the above an actual Survivor claim?

[Metastachydium]

Thanks, folks! I'm feeling much better already! Now, let's see:

This post is giving me some bad vibes. It could be a wolf, trying to direct towns attention to save targets. AV, Fext and to a lesser degree blades and myself. Also a partly defense of Xi.

It was you who reminded me that we should check people before just, you know, trying to kill them off (and that was, mind you, partly about Cao). AV's two kill powers and the apparent overlap between their power and Fext's is something worth investigating, so I recommend that we investigate it. Even AV agreed to this course of action.
As for Xihirli, I'm not defending her. I'm calling her a headache that I find suspicious.
I find your day actions more dubious than mine, frankly.

Rogan, I can see where you're coming from with some parts of that, but
a) how do you know these people are "safe targets" for wolves? Why couldn't AV/Fext/bladescape be wolves?

b) Meta is never partners with Caoimhin, so they're town. (Or SK, I suppose... actually that sounds kind of plausible. Still, I'd rather hunt wolves than the SK for now.)

I find it understandable. She either has no night kill power, and made an ill-considered joke, or she has one, and posted before considering that it would give her away. If she has one, it will instantly make her sus just like it did AV and Fext. If she says she doesn't, most of us won't believe her anyway. There's no good answer to give.

My Day 1 notes tell me: you claim not to have any kill powers, but would lynch AV and Fext for doing so (heavy emphasis on claim, because why would an innocent keep bringing it up?). You also responded to Wombat's spoilered all-caps message with "oh it must just be roleplaying", but in that very same post warned of a vote manipulator. Sounds like there's something you know that the rest of us don't. It is entirely possible that you are our serial killer, feeling threatened by having two people on your heels (one from each team, perhaps?). Definitely part of the game.

Lovely! But I'm not the serial killer. Iwas pretty enthusiastic about Fext right until AV claimed to have roughly the same role, which prompted me to think that one of them is lying or (and it just occured to me) the serial killer is stupidly strong. I don't like either of those options, but the most we can do is to check out AV and preferably Fext.
As for the rest: a.) again, I'd love to have a kill power but I don't; and b.) I know about the possibility that there is a vote manipulator from the recruitment post which specifically mentions that as a possible power and I brought it up because of the tie.

Why is everyone trusting me?

Roughly the same reason why you are trustying me (not to be a wolf). But you are very kind, so I can start distrusting you if you'd prefer that.

(Note to self: find the particular quote I think makes Meta not a wolf when I start going through bladescape/gac3).

That would be nice!

2. The "telegram" is important for the recipient. Not going to say more than that.

That one makes me nervous. Why would a survivor have a partner?

I understand why people are townreading me, just not why they think my reads are likely to be accurate. I get stuff wrong a lot.



Here's the Meta quote I was thinking of, as a response to my waffle about them yesterday. If you're a wolf bussing your partner, and you're being suspected, do you turn round and say "but it's not my fault this wolf is being wagoned"? I certainly don't.

Beyond that it's just generally the fact they had plenty of opportunities to escape the Caoimhin wagon if their initial vote was "distancing gone wrong" but didn't take any of them.

Yeah. I could have killed you (it was close enough for that) and then we wouldn't know Cao was a wolf in the first place.

Also is the above an actual Survivor claim?

Looks like one.

[Book Wombat]

Also is the above an actual Survivor claim?

Stealing a line...

Do you really want me to answer this?

[Snowblaze]

(Re: Book Wombat's maybe-claim)

I mean. Yes? Knowing whether you're a neutral or not is good for town.

...but now you're making me think your answer would have consequences which aren't.

*sigh*

[Book Wombat]

It was a joke, apologies, I am the (a?) Survivor.
I'm going to regret claiming aren't I?

[Snowblaze]

It was a joke, apologies, I am the (a?) Survivor.

*shrug* I think I believe you. I mean, you could be a lying SK, but I don't find it that likely atm, it's quite a risk to take. (Also the excited thing Taffamai was talking about fits pretty exactly with how I played as a Survivor in the first Crazy Idea.)

Any powers we should know about?

[Supagoof]

who tf is supagoof

Spoiler: Supagoof is...."Come baby come" by K7

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(Bounce, come on bounce)
(Bounce, come on bounce)
(Bounce, come on bounce)
(Bounce, come on bounce)

I slam the door (Boom!)
When I come into the forum (Wham! Bam!)
'Cause I'm King in the sandcastle (na na na)
Turn me on turn me loose (come on, come on)
Try to prove it, it's a hassle

Come get some of this, don't forget the innuendo
Play me like Nintendo, never ever let go
Keep it so loud, you'll be hittin' the crescendo
(Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Ti Do)

Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote
(Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote)
That you gotta give me lovin' then you gotta read what I wrote
(That you gotta give me lovin' then you gotta read what I wrote)
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(Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote)
That you gotta give me lovin' then you gotta read what I wrote
(That you gotta give me lovin' then you gotta read what I wrote)


Come down
Well, I can hear the (ping ping ping)
The respond rate goes ping (hello, hello)
But we're still gettin' busy
(Pom pom pom, hoo!) Now you're gettin' dizzy

I can slow it down so you can point at (point at)
Better move it fast so you can point at (point it)
Two songs and a bat (hoo), a seer with a catch (no)
Slidin' into home base, tryin' to hit a home run
Swing batta batta batta batta batta swing!

Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote
(Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote)
That you gotta give me lovin' then you gotta read what I wrote
(That you gotta give me lovin' then you gotta read what I wrote)
Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote
(Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote)
That you gotta give me lovin' then you gotta read what I wrote
(That you gotta give me lovin' then you gotta read what I wrote)

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move it all around, bounce
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(Bounce) Pump it up and down, (come on bounce) bounce, bounce
Tell me do you like it? (Yeah, yeah)
Do you want a little more? (Yeah, yeah)
Now tell me do you love it? (Yeah, yeah)
Come on! (Do do you love me?)

I can feel it (hoo baby baby), come on (ha baby baby)
Let it go (hoo baby baby), come on (ha baby baby)
Give it to me (hoo baby baby), come on (ha baby baby)
Give it to me (hoo! Straight up, now tell me)

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(You gotta give me lovin' and you gotta read what I wrote)
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(Yeah, hoo!)
(You gotta give me lovin' and you gotta read what I wrote)
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(Yeah) da ding de ding de ding de de de (hoo!) ding ding
(You gotta give me lovin' and you gotta read what I wrote)
Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote
(Come baby come) all together now, come on (baby baby come come)
(Yeah, hoo!)
(You gotta give me lovin' and you gotta read what I wrote)
Come down

That parody is underway, it's what I like to do,
Missing the first day, is common for me too,
I work during the week, which is when I post the most,
So when it starts on a weekend, that's when I am a ghost.
You may find me obnoxious, but know this to be truth,
We're going to have fun while I'm alive, as that is me, Supagoof

11 pages before I arrive, per usual I have some catching up to do, and posting to make so the brilliant analytical minds can get some reads on me. That being said, I've taken a shortcut and tried to read the posts since the days end - ie why this invite to kick open the door and announce my arrival, lol - thank you Fext, hello by the way.

*heads off to read through the 1st days posts, get an idea of who's driving what initiatives and such. *
Pulls pin on grenade while leaving.....

[Book Wombat]

Any powers we should know about?

Not really at the moment.

[Rogan]

It was a joke, apologies, I am the (a?) Survivor.

The usual victory condition of "survive"? Or something fancy?

And I think you didn't answer when I asked you if you really wanted a public kind of claim from me. If you think it would be helpful for town, I can answer tomorrow. I won't spill the beans at night. Let the wolves keep guessing if I can hurt them or not.

[Batcathat]

Spoiler: Supagoof is...."Come baby come" by K7

Show

Da ding de ding de ding de de de ding ding
Da ding de ding de ding de de de ding
Da ding de ding de ding de de de ding ding
De ding de de de ding de ding de de de ding ding

Come on
Supagoof's always out of control, you know what I'm sayin'

(Bounce, come on bounce)
(Bounce, come on bounce)
(Bounce, come on bounce)
(Bounce, come on bounce)

I slam the door (Boom!)
When I come into the forum (Wham! Bam!)
'Cause I'm King in the sandcastle (na na na)
Turn me on turn me loose (come on, come on)
Try to prove it, it's a hassle

Come get some of this, don't forget the innuendo
Play me like Nintendo, never ever let go
Keep it so loud, you'll be hittin' the crescendo
(Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Ti Do)

Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote
(Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote)
That you gotta give me lovin' then you gotta read what I wrote
(That you gotta give me lovin' then you gotta read what I wrote)
Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote
(Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote)
That you gotta give me lovin' then you gotta read what I wrote
(That you gotta give me lovin' then you gotta read what I wrote)


Come down
Well, I can hear the (ping ping ping)
The respond rate goes ping (hello, hello)
But we're still gettin' busy
(Pom pom pom, hoo!) Now you're gettin' dizzy

I can slow it down so you can point at (point at)
Better move it fast so you can point at (point it)
Two songs and a bat (hoo), a seer with a catch (no)
Slidin' into home base, tryin' to hit a home run
Swing batta batta batta batta batta swing!

Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote
(Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote)
That you gotta give me lovin' then you gotta read what I wrote
(That you gotta give me lovin' then you gotta read what I wrote)
Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote
(Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote)
That you gotta give me lovin' then you gotta read what I wrote
(That you gotta give me lovin' then you gotta read what I wrote)

Come down
Break it down, break it down, come on
move it all around, bounce
(Bounce) Pump it up and down, (come on bounce) pump it up and down, bounce
(Bounce) Move it all around, (come on bounce) move it all around, bounce
(Bounce) Pump it up and down, (come on bounce) bounce, bounce
Tell me do you like it? (Yeah, yeah)
Do you want a little more? (Yeah, yeah)
Now tell me do you love it? (Yeah, yeah)
Come on! (Do do you love me?)

I can feel it (hoo baby baby), come on (ha baby baby)
Let it go (hoo baby baby), come on (ha baby baby)
Give it to me (hoo baby baby), come on (ha baby baby)
Give it to me (hoo! Straight up, now tell me)

de ding de de de ding ding
(Bounce) da ding de ding (come on bounce) de ding de de de ding
(Bounce) da ding de ding (come on bounce) de ding de de de ding ding
(Bounce) de ding de de de ding de ding de de de ding ding
Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote
(Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote)
(Yeah) da ding de ding de ding de de de (hoo!) ding ding
(You gotta give me lovin' and you gotta read what I wrote)
Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote
(Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote)
(Yeah, hoo!)
(You gotta give me lovin' and you gotta read what I wrote)
Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote
(Come) step everybody, (baby come baby) step everybody (baby come come)
(Yeah) da ding de ding de ding de de de (hoo!) ding ding
(You gotta give me lovin' and you gotta read what I wrote)
Vote baby vote baby baby vote vote
(Come baby come) all together now, come on (baby baby come come)
(Yeah, hoo!)
(You gotta give me lovin' and you gotta read what I wrote)
Come down

That parody is underway, it's what I like to do,
Missing the first day, is common for me too,
I work during the week, which is when I post the most,
So when it starts on a weekend, that's when I am a ghost.
You may find me obnoxious, but know this to be truth,
We're going to have fun while I'm alive, as that is me, Supagoof

11 pages before I arrive, per usual I have some catching up to do, and posting to make so the brilliant analytical minds can get some reads on me. That being said, I've taken a shortcut and tried to read the posts since the days end - ie why this invite to kick open the door and announce my arrival, lol - thank you Fext, hello by the way.

*heads off to read through the 1st days posts, get an idea of who's driving what initiatives and such. *
Pulls pin on grenade while leaving.....

You do know how to make a good entrence, Goof. Am I the only one who imagines this the way a professional wrestler enters the ring?

[Book Wombat]

The usual victory condition of "survive"? Or something fancy?

And I think you didn't answer when I asked you if you really wanted a public kind of claim from me. If you think it would be helpful for town, I can answer tomorrow. I won't spill the beans at night. Let the wolves keep guessing if I can hurt them or not.

1. It's a bit oddish (cue 'What's That Pokémon!'} but basically the the usual.

2. Oh I thought that reply was more of a "Don't want to reveal right now" rhetoric question. You can make some baked beans tomorrow.

[Elenna]

It was a joke, apologies, I am the (a?) Survivor.
I'm going to regret claiming aren't I?

AV's claimed to have two kill powers, one of which only works on the SK. Which makes me think that the other one only works on some other specific role. Survivor would be an obvious guess for that role.
So yes, if you believe AV, then you might very well regret claiming... But I could be wrong about how AV's power works.
(Plus there's the obvious worry that you're the SK trying the same strategy which worked for AV last game.)

[Book Wombat]

AV's claimed to have two kill powers, one of which only works on the SK. Which makes me think that the other one only works on some other specific role. Survivor would be an obvious guess for that role.
So yes, if you believe AV, then you might very well regret claiming... But I could be wrong about how AV's power works.
(Plus there's the obvious worry that you're the SK trying the same strategy which worked for AV last game.)

Oh no.
Anyway, I didn't even think of that.
Hopefully I survive. Welp.

[Rogan]

1. It's a bit oddish (cue 'What's That Pokémon!'} but basically the the usual.

2. Oh I thought that reply was more of a "Don't want to reveal right now" rhetoric question. You can make some baked beans tomorrow.

In another game, I would have said "I'm Pikachu" but this is not fitting this time.

Okay, I promise one way or the other, you will get your answer tomorrow. And I have to admit, your reading is reasonable and I probably wouldn't have brought it up again if you hadn't quoted me.

[moonfly7]

3 separate people have now claimed abilities or roles that connect to the SK:
AV, Fext, and Bookwombat. Book went so far as to claim a role, something I find interesting because you'd think the initial warning on day one would keep everyones lips tight. Especially since AV revealed he has a kill ability that only works on the Serial Killer, in my mind proving that the "hide your identities" narration is anything but flavor.
I was suspicious of there being 2 Anti-SK abilities/roles. Even more so if there's 3.
One of them is almost certainly our SK, or an even worse outcome: none of them are and they're either Town, Mafia, or a Mix. Either way if none of those 3 are lying about their powers and none are the SK(which I find unlikely), then that means we've probably got a terrifyingly powerful Serial Killer.
Tell me, is there precedence for a Mass Murderer role?

[Book Wombat]

I think the warning is more about your role name since the descriptor was said to have no mechanical effect if I remember correctly.

- - - Updated - - -

Also, connected to the Serial Killer?

[AvatarVecna]

AV's two kill powers and the apparent overlap between their power and Fext's is something worth investigating, so I recommend that we investigate it. Even AV agreed to this course of action.

Two separate roles mentioning Serial Killer explicitly is technically similar but calling it "overlap" feels a little hyperbolic. I'm not an anti-SK role, I just have an anti-SK mechanic.

Lovely! But I'm not the serial killer. Iwas pretty enthusiastic about Fext right until AV claimed to have roughly the same role

I didn't. I claimed to have corroborating evidence towards the presence of a serial killer, and then you said "those two people must have roughly the same role". Nobody is claiming this except you, and I would be very surprised if Fext's role had any further similarities to my own.

which prompted me to think that one of them is lying or (and it just occured to me) the serial killer is stupidly strong

I was serial killer the last time UPick was run. It looked like this:

AvatarVecna, you are Eidolon, the SERIAL KILLER.

You win when everyone else is dead, or about to be, as long as you survive.

You have four powers. Use of one does not interfere with the use of the others except as specified below.

Vance, Eat Your Heart Out (Day or Priority 2): You can replace a power at any time you can use it by putting REROLL: DAY, REROLL: NIGHT or REROLL: PASSIVE at the appropriate time – day, night or night, respectively – in your quicktopic (unlike a normal day ability, you do not have to announce your REROLL: DAY publicly). You can’t use a power and reroll it on the same day or night (and your passive won’t work on the same night that it’s swapped out, though it will work the previous and following day). You can reroll your NIGHT and PASSIVE abilities the same night if you like.

You haven’t a damn clue what new powers your shard will give you. Good luck!

Matter Destruction (Day): Once per DAY, you can type “DISINTEGRATE: NAME” publicly to kill a target immediately. The target will be reported as having been disintegrated. Oh, and everyone will know that a neutral did it, so be prepared for some backlash.

Energy Drain (Passive): You are immune to kills except for the daily execution.

Detection (Priority 3): Each night, you can choose a target and get their character name and ability names.

Yes: in the previous game, SK got blanket kill power immunity, the ability to full-scry one person per night, the ability to murder one person per day, and the ability to switch any of those out for new powers. As it happens, I won that game.

It makes sense to my mind that having multiple roles that start the game knowing for certain a Serial Killer is in play is one way of balancing the kind of power an SK needs to have a real chance at victory.

[Elenna]

Wait, BW, is your role anti-SK or related to the SK in some way? I assumed the "SK's twin brother" part was a joke, is that actually part of your role?

EDIT: Ninja'd by BW. I'm guessing that's a no, then.

[AvatarVecna]

It was a joke, apologies, I am the (a?) Survivor.
I'm going to regret claiming aren't I?

Probably not.

[Snowblaze]

Spoiler: gac3 ISO, plus relevant Caoimhin stuff

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Initial Taffimai ... wait I've been spelling Taffimai wrong the whole game. Oops, sorry. Anyway, initial Taffimai vote is fairly in character for gac. NAI.

37 gave me gut pings, but we established last game that I get gut pings from town!gac3 so I'm not trusting my gut on them.

Caoimhin shades gac, who had voted, for not having put down a vote. If I squint I could see this as non-partnery, but I don't feel like squinting.

Caoimhin once again has a slight wolfread on gac3 in their reads list; they pressure-vote them rather than voting them because of a wolfread.

gac3 posts immediately afterwards announcing they've been I'll (hope you're feeling better, incidentally). I like their explanation of the Rogan read. Mild shade on Caoimhin for missing their vote.

Suspicion on the Fext/AV SK thing. Understandable if not the route I want to go down now.

Caoimhin unvotes gac, citing a reasonable explanation. Meh... there's a decent possibility that interaction is partnered, seems like it could have been pre-planned given how gac posted almost immediately- oh, right, there were two hours between those posts. Note to self, check time stamps. And that doesn't look as bad now.

Caoimhin has gac as top wolf read in 167, a "legacy" post, but there's never really an attempt to make gac a wagon.

(Sidenote: seeing that Caoimhin post towards Captain Cap again, that feels like genuine salt ie non-partnered. I think I feel better about removing CC from my POE based on that.)

gac3 suggests SK!Fext. And also uses the gambler's fallacy to defend AV. Die, heretic! (Ignore that.) Meh, *shrug* SK hunting is kind of wolfy but given the circumstances and the fact it isn't gac's sole focus I'm okay with it here.

Voting me. Later explained as "tying it to see what happens". Which is an easy excuse to make for a wolf, especially one who knows I'm town and can't come up with convincing reasons I'm not.

Association of me/Book is largely NAI.

More SK chat, I like the walking back on AV/Fext suspicion because I think it's something wolves would want to encourage.

And that's EOD. I've now remembered why I don't like doing ISOs. Not doing bladescape today, that's for sure.

tl;dr a mixed bag. There's bits that I like and bits I don't so much. I don't think there's anything clearing in the Caoimhin interactions. Fext, could you elaborate on why you felt the interactions looked good for them?

gac3 remains in my POE for now.

Hi Supagoof, looking forward to your thoughts once you're caught up.

I probably need to look again at a lot of the SK-related stuff, I have paid very little attention to it so far.

[Metastachydium]

It makes sense to my mind that having multiple roles that start the game knowing for certain a Serial Killer is in play is one way of balancing the kind of power an SK needs to have a real chance at victory.

that means we've probably got a terrifyingly powerful Serial Killer.
Tell me, is there precedence for a Mass Murderer role?

I drew that conclusion before it was mainstream! (See:

which prompted me to think that one of them is lying or (and it just occured to me) the serial killer is stupidly strong.

)

Two separate roles mentioning Serial Killer explicitly is technically similar but calling it "overlap" feels a little hyperbolic. I'm not an anti-SK role, I just have an anti-SK mechanic.

(…)

I didn't. I claimed to have corroborating evidence towards the presence of a serial killer, and then you said "those two people must have roughly the same role". Nobod1y is claiming this except you, and I would be very surprised if Fext's role had any further similarities to my own.

Fext said that they had tools to hunt the serial killer and then you said that you have tools to hunt the serial killer. Okay, fair enough, the two roles do not have to be identical, but I'd still call that an overlap.

[Fext]

1. If there's a seer, check AV. I don't trust 'em and their powers sound weird.
2. If there are two seers (or the like), check Fext too. The overlap is giving me some pause.

this sounds silly

also I feel like we're forgetting that, with very decent odds of at least one bus vote, all we've really done is split the playerlist into two halves

[AvatarVecna]

I drew that conclusion before it was mainstream! (See:

)

I had the thought as soon as I saw my power call out SK specifically. "OK we have SK and a townie who knows that for a fact. That probably means the SK is overpowered again".

It's difficult to have that conclusion before it was mainstream, when I can guarantee you that everybody who played the previous game was worried about a possible SK as soon as they saw the recruitment.

Fext said that they had tools to hunt the serial killer and then you said that you have tools to hunt the serial killer. Okay, fair enough, the two roles do not have to be identical, but I'd still call that an overlap.

Hunt and Kill have different implications. I'll clarify that I have no tools for hunting an SK, only killing them (as previously mentioned: not an anti-SK role, just a role with a single anti-SK mechanic).

[moonfly7]

I drew that conclusion before it was mainstream!

I actually was basing my assertion on what you said in regards to power, but I've been saying from almost the moment I saw the dual SL related posts that there was fishyness all up in there. Bookwombat was clear in my mind till he said he was survivor, that there him back into suspicion.
Also I'm liking the idea that one of them might be mafia, but not lying about anti-SK abilities/roles. Mafia wants them dead to right?
Or, and this is wild but here me out: there's more than one SK. But they aren't on the same side, they're like the Renegade in bang if you've ever played: same roll name but they only win if everyone's dead, even the other Serial Killer. I don't think there's a precedent for this, but we do need to worry about the possibility that there's another SK, or an Anti-SK whose end goals have an SK kill requirement first, and then the rest of us.
Granted this is all conjecture and I think general consensus is that we deal with mafia first, but I've got no leads on them.

[Rogan]

Fext said that they had tools to hunt the serial killer and then you said that you have tools to hunt the serial killer. Okay, fair enough, the two roles do not have to be identical, but I'd still call that an overlap.

If I remember right, Fext had tools to hunt the killer, while AV has a kill power which will only work on the killer.
Fext also wanted to lynch the killer, which would be suboptimal if he could kill the killer at night. So tools to hunt don't need to be tools to kill.

Another interpretation would be that AV and Fext have the same power because one of them has a list of the powers of other players and can use each of them once. This would be really powerful, but it might be possible. Especially if there are other limits.

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It's also kind of missing the point. My post wasn't about trying to steal credit for being the first person to mention the theory out loud, because that credit is worthless. The point of my post was that your post was setting up the following argument:

Either one of these people is lying or the SK is really freaking strong

and I respond with

well the SK was in fact really freaking strong last game so