Upick 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Metastachydium]

K. Catching up's been a ride. Now, a few comments:
1. much everyone who still remembers I'm in the game thinks I might be the killer. Yay! (I'd love to see that ISO on my humble self, by the way.)
2. For the first time during this game, I kinda-sorta began to warm up to Rogan. Not killing him today.
3. Didn't really like AV's fit. As others pointed out, it is vaguely reminiscent of their rants during late UPick 1.
4. Moonfly is consistently proven wrong about stuff, but I like their way of thinking. Townlean.
5. Based on Day 1, I don't think it's Elenna or the Wombat, although I'm wary of Survivor claims, AV.
6. My case for the Captain as the killer has collapsed the other day. Not sure he's not a dog, not sure he isn't.
7. Fext remains my top guess for who the killer might be. At any rate, I find what they are doing counterproductive at best, and I think it hurts town.
8. Not sure how to feel about gac. Necromancer/medium is explicitly a possible role, but I vaguely remember a comment by Unavenger clarifying that it would be known if the deadchat got to influence the game. Anyway, siding with Rogan for now in the Rogan vs. gac row.

[gac3]

I'm not voting you. I mean, it's probably between you and Rogan currently, but I'll have to think on it. In any case, we've got some time left. I'm just trying to understand the order of events.

I'm inclined to think Rogan is telling the truth and you're town but manipulated. It's a hell of manipulation if it is, but still I'm not defaulting to scumreading you the way blade is.

I think it would be perfectly reasonable for somebody who wasn't even a scumbuddy in RAC to say "we weren't wolves that game, though? it was technically competing towns" or something to that degree. That said, there's no world where the person speaking wasn't at least playing in RAC.

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FWIW, during my Rogan D1 ISO, I saw a number of weird interactions involving Rogan and BW. And while I don't think she would, I can admit that Snowblaze is cool enough to bus a scumbuddy D1 on purpose over nothing.

Still, this is basically suggesting that the scumteam is exactly Book Wombat/Rogan/Snowblaze.

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AvatarVecna
gac3
Elenna
Snowblaze
Xihirli

These are the five people who are in both Upick 2 and Red Atlantic Cruise.

Yes. As I said. They are the only ones likely to be a source of that quote. It wasn't me. It wasn't Xi.

Also, even if gac3 is town, from what I understand he basically made a deal with the devils.

Yeah and?



I might still get lynched but based on the last vote count I'm willing to say. Captain Cap

And then a night vote for blade to kill. Gac3

[Rogan]

2. For the first time during this game, I kinda-sorta began to warm up to Rogan. Not killing him today.

8. Not sure how to feel about gac. Necromancer/medium is explicitly a possible role, but I vaguely remember a comment by Unavenger clarifying that it would be known if the deadchat got to influence the game. Anyway, siding with Rogan for now in the Rogan vs. gac row.

Thanks, I guess.

I think Unavenger said they would tell the dead if they could influence the game. Not the other way round. I could search for this, if you think it's important.

Here they are

If a living player can see and/or chat in the deadchat, will those in the deadchat know?

Yes. If the deadchat aren't able to affect the game, it seems kinda bastard-narrator-y to have them believe that they might be able to, and if they are, it definitely seems bastard-narrator-y to have them believe that they can't.

[Book Wombat]

Vote count:
Captain Cap (4): {Rogan}, (Snowblaze), {Metastachydium}, Batcathat, (moonfly7), Supagoof, (Elenna), bladescape, gac3
fext (2): {gac3}, (Elenna), (Captain Cap), Metastachydium, Taffimai, {Rogan},
Supagoof (0): (Taffimai), (Snowblaze)
AvatarVecna (0): {AvatarVecna}, {Rogan},
gac3 (3): (Captain Cap), Captain Cap, (bladescape), Snowblaze, {gac3}, Rogan
Elenna (1): AvatarVecna
Rogan (2): {moonfly7}, moonfly7, Elenna,

Not voting (): Book Wombat, fext, ??? (Might have missed someone)

The votes in (brackets) are the crossed out ones while the ones in {squiggly brackets} are not crossed out but invalid.
Hopefully I didn't make any mistakes.

[Metastachydium]

Thanks, I guess.

I think Unavenger said they would tell the dead if they could influence the game. Not the other way round. I could search for this, if you think it's important.

Here they are

Found them in the meantime, but thanks anyway. Sadly, these tell us nothing.

[gac3]

Vote count:
Captain Cap (4): {Rogan}, (Snowblaze), {Metastachydium}, Batcathat, (moonfly7), Supagoof, (Elenna), bladescape, gac3
fext (2): {gac3}, (Elenna), (Captain Cap), Metastachydium, Taffimai, {Rogan},
Supagoof (0): (Taffimai), (Snowblaze)
AvatarVecna (0): {AvatarVecna}, {Rogan},
gac3 (3): (Captain Cap), Captain Cap, (bladescape), Snowblaze, {gac3}, Rogan
Elenna (1): AvatarVecna
Rogan (2): {moonfly7}, moonfly7, Elenna,

Not voting (): Book Wombat, fext, ??? (Might have missed someone)

The votes in (brackets) are the crossed out ones while the ones in {squiggly brackets} are not crossed out but invalid.
Hopefully I didn't make any mistakes.

It took me a while but I finally found the Fext vote to cross out. We might need a second thread at this rate. Kinda glad I'm likely to get lynched. It should add more weight to my stuff, I don't have to struggle to keep up, and I'm down with this stressful double life where I tried to filter out wolf comments for truth versus planned deceptions.

[Captain Cap]

Yeah and?

And even in that case I wouldn't trust the results you got.

[Snowblaze]

I’m going to end up voting for either gac3 or Captain Cap here, I just don’t know which.

gac’s play makes no sense whatsoever, regardless of their alignment.

Captain Cap has been wolfy, but given that I took in very little of last (IRL) night’s events I can’t work out exactly how wolfy he’s been.

And I don’t have the mental energy to ISO and work it out. Sorry about that. I might try and ISO CC this afternoon, but no promises.

[bladescape]

More comments to come but why?

Also what was that cap GAC 1+ wolf thing about?

Because Rogan's Lie Detector means Snow is town.

And that was because due to threadstate I was confident that 1 of you or Cap is wolf. At least. IF not both.

[Rogan]

Vote count:
Captain Cap (4): {Rogan}, (Snowblaze), {Metastachydium}, Batcathat, (moonfly7), Supagoof, (Elenna), bladescape, gac3
fext (2): {gac3}, (Elenna), (Captain Cap), Metastachydium, Taffimai, {Rogan},
Supagoof (0): (Taffimai), (Snowblaze)
AvatarVecna (0): {AvatarVecna}, {Rogan},
gac3 (3): (Captain Cap), Captain Cap, (bladescape), Snowblaze, {gac3}, Rogan
Elenna (1): AvatarVecna
Rogan (2): {moonfly7}, moonfly7, Elenna,

Not voting (): Book Wombat, fext, ??? (Might have missed someone)

The votes in (brackets) are the crossed out ones while the ones in {squiggly brackets} are not crossed out but invalid.
Hopefully I didn't make any mistakes.

I can't spot any mistakes. And I crossed my 3 old votes. I didn't give it priority, since they would not count anyway, but now they are also marked as revoked.

[gac3]

Because Rogan's Lie Detector means Snow is town.

And that was because due to threadstate I was confident that 1 of you or Cap is wolf. At least. IF not both.

I was hoping there was a more definitive reason but oh well

[bladescape]

My reading generally is decent so =P

[gac3]

My reading generally is decent so =P

Well I will say that part of why I clung so readily to Book is because I already thought Snow was a wolf which means that the wolves would have decided to off Cape instead, so Books vote there cleared him. But your confidence in me and cap being at least one wolf made me feel more confident.

Now though... I don't trust AV's rage quit.

[Batcathat]

I was pretty comfortable with my vote on Cap, but now there seems to be a lot of options. Given my earlier suspicions, I'm tempted to go back to Rogan, but if he is honest (and it does seem like a risky bluff for a wolf), that power could be very useful for town. I didn't really have a lean on gac either way earlier but now it seems kinda likely that he's either a wolf or being played by one. Need time to think.

[gac3]

I was pretty comfortable with my vote on Cap, but now there seems to be a lot of options. Given my earlier suspicions, I'm tempted to go back to Rogan, but if he is honest (and it does seem like a risky bluff for a wolf), that power could be very useful for town. I didn't really have a lean on gac either way earlier but now it seems kinda likely that he's either a wolf or being played by one. Need time to think.

Feel free to vote me... But the only way me and Rogan are right/honest is is AV is a wolf... Thats why I was raging earlier because AV rage quit and put their whole role description... Which... I really have to select better roles next time. I literally just have dead chat access.

[Rogan]

I’m going to end up voting for either gac3 or Captain Cap here, I just don’t know which.

gac’s play makes no sense whatsoever, regardless of their alignment.

Captain Cap has been wolfy, but given that I took in very little of last (IRL) night’s events I can’t work out exactly how wolfy he’s been.

And I don’t have the mental energy to ISO and work it out. Sorry about that. I might try and ISO CC this afternoon, but no promises.

At start of day, I was in favor of killing Cap, both for him being suspicious and for the additional Intel we would gain, regarding the survivor.

Gac was suspicious as well, but to a lower degree.

Now, they are both even more suspicious. I like Caps Plan in principle, but I can't stop myself from thinking that I would do something like that as well, if I were a wolf. Controlling what other people do at night is so bloody useful.

So, even while this plan could work for a townie in the best circumstances, it's even easier to abuse the plan for wolves.

Gac on the other hand is giving an explanation for his power and statements which would work and in fact, I guessed his power. A power that seems more useful for town to have than the other way round... His statements are not all compatible with my own results. Could be a lie, could be a poor townie who got fooled.

I think I should try do close my eyes for a moment. Perhaps I will see things clearer after a nap.

[Captain Cap]

Now, they are both even more suspicious. I like Caps Plan in principle, but I can't stop myself from thinking that I would do something like that as well, if I were a wolf. Controlling what other people do at night is so bloody useful.

Are you saying that now I'm more suspicious because I proposed that plan, an extra option not forced upon anyone? If that's so, tell me, what a town!Cap with that power should have done finding himself as the leading wagon to help town? Just stay silent, with the knowledge his death today wouldn't bring much info?

[gac3]

Real life I'm going to bed. But in game we can just say that I'm rocking myself in a corner mumbling that AV has to be trying to trick me right now because that's all I've come to is that they are running some king of long con on me.

[Book Wombat]

Just stay silent, with the knowledge his death today wouldn't bring much info?

Yes.

Voting No Execution for true neutrality.

Spoiler: RED TO REN

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REQUEST ACCEPTED STOP TRIGGER AND ANTIDOTE SENT STOP START PROJECT COMPASS STOP SENT SWORD STOP FIND CHICKEN STOP ALCHEMIST HAS FRIENDS STOP RED END

I might as well post these if I already made them.

[Snowblaze]

Okay. Suppose gac3 is a wolf, and their entire claim is a lie. What’s their goal?

My first thought is “mislynch me” but is it really necessary to go to all that effort to get me killed? I haven’t claimed a role that wolves would need to kill with fire (wolves, no comment on whether I actually have a role you need to kill with fire) and maybe my reads are on point and all wolves are in Cap/gac/Supagoof but I’m hardly the only person with that immediate POE.

Besides, if they want me dead they can just nightkill me.

And if I can’t find a plausible wolf motivation... that probably means it’s town. Somehow.

I’m going to trust my gut (and bladescape) on this one and switch to Captain Cap.

[Metastachydium]

Yes.

Voting No Execution for true neutrality.

Spoiler: RED TO REN

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REQUEST ACCEPTED STOP TRIGGER AND ANTIDOTE SENT STOP START PROJECT COMPASS STOP SENT SWORD STOP FIND CHICKEN STOP ALCHEMIST HAS FRIENDS STOP RED END

I might as well post these if I already made them.

(Red is an interesting alias (?) to use in such a game.)

[Book Wombat]

(Red is an interesting alias (?) to use in such a game.)

Huh, didn't even think of that.

[Captain Cap]

I just reread your power, Rogan:

I will provide either “TRUE” or “FALSE” as a response to the statement, or give a response to the question

Oh boy, I was wrong: if it's really as you say, a response to potentially anything, we CAN win with a question.
And you know what? Contrary to you, I have no qualms about asking it (besides, the game is seemingly going to end for me anyway):

Who are all the players with an anti-town role?

That's it Rogan, if you have been truthful, now the matter is in your hands.

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Let's be more precise, just in case:

Who are all the players in this game with an anti-town role?

[Book Wombat]

If the above works/is true, I bet Supagoof's going to get roleblocked tonight (assuming Town), if no one else has a Protection power Rogan (assuming Town as well) is pretty screwed unless somehow all the killers get roleblocked. Hmm. Should be an interesting night.

*grabs a few more buckets of popcorn*

[Fext]

wait hold up you can just tell a statement is true that involves all of the living scum being in a certain pool?

wtf

I thought you were a lie detector

[bladescape]

Huh.

If that works that's kinda busted.

[Fext]

there's no way that works but if it does I'll die laughing

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oh hi blade

[bladescape]

Hi Fext, how's it hanging?

[Fext]

It does seem super powerful. But the original post literally has "Roles which return the truth or falsehood of an arbitrary statement" in the list of possible roles, so it's not impossible.

that's absurd lmaooooo

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Hi Fext, how's it hanging?

pretty good

super busy today so won't be around much but apparently if we trust rogan I'm just confirmed non-mafia which is nice

get AV to try popping me and bam conftown

ez game

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that being said rogan hyperfixating on me as sk is still rubbing me the wrong way but maybe he's just weird

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anyways considering my top town were AV/Cap/gac, blade is clear in most reasonable worlds, BW is un-CC'd survivor, and Xi is dead, I guess that means we just lynch Taff and Supagoof?

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Vote Taffimai

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to be clear I wouldn't be shocked if one of AV/gac/Cap are mafia

but two of them is unlikely so that means at worst I see taff/supa as a 50/50

[Captain Cap]

wait hold up you can just tell a statement is true that involves all of the living scum being in a certain pool?

wtf

I thought you were a lie detector

Apparently, Rogan can get an answer to any question (unless I missed or he omitted something)

I will provide either “TRUE” or “FALSE” as a response to the statement, or give a response to the question