Upick 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Unavenger]

Day 2 End

Please wait for the votes to be counted and the death to be revealed.

[Taffimai]

Are you sure your power will show your alignment?

...actually, no. But you have to give me top points for ballsy moves if I did that as a wolf.

[Elenna]

I can double check but immediately after being given the quote I checked the quick topics for that game and compared lists to our players. For the sake of talking to cape I removed me, you and AV from the list because I had to at least pretend like you and AV were confirmed not wolves by that point. So after. But I'll double check for sure if you want.

So if you think Cao was lying about killing AV, what makes you think the RAC quote was truthful?

I OPEN THE AIRLOCK

That's my day kill. It kills the most recent person to vote for me.

• If Fext lives, they're the SK and we can lynch them
• If they flip wolf, Rogan is lying or deceived
• If they flip town, I'm going to snuggle up to Bladescape and say losing an innocent to show my true colours is worth.

Well that happened. So much for a quiet last hour or so of the day

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Oh day ended earlier than I thought.

[Book Wombat]

I like how the End of Day 2 is at the top of the 42nd page.

[Elenna]

I like how the End of Day 2 is at the top of the 42nd page.

I'm kinda hoping this game goes to a second thread, if only because I've never seen a werewolf game go to a second thread as far as I recall.

EDIT Day 2 alone is, what, 25.5 pages?

[Rogan]

Oh day ended earlier than I thought.

Day was supposed to end this time from the beginning, but time zones are complicated and there was a mixup.
The extra long night was at least partly meant to fix this. (My guess, not narrator confirmed)

Spoiler: First iteration

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...you brought up how the cipher was probably forbidden and shouldn't be used after you broke the cipher and had that info, didn't you?
That way you got the info about roles, but nobody else did. Neat.

It's worse than that" I've known about the cipher rule since Corporate WW when Grek suggested a cipher plan. I left it unspoken until I had gained advantage from the cipher, and then after I mentioned it was againsy forum rules (albeit only a "Please Dont"), the cipher oost was deleted, oreventing anybidy else from getting that advantage.

Holding off like that is probably the scummiest thing I did this game?

So, I found the thing about AV and tricking Tot in the first iteration.
Still, my personal stance is, I would rather lose to a potential Wolf!AV and her trickery, loosing my respect for her in the process, than wrongly accusing her of this treachery. I would lose respect of myself in this case.

I also feel a bit bad because searching this quotes is throwing shade at AV while I say I want to trust her. Being honest to myself, it's probably I don't trust her. But I really want to.

[gac3]

Day 2 End

Please wait for the votes to be counted and the death to be revealed.

I was trying to be nice and wait to answer Elenna's question because this said to please wait.

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But then people kept posting

[Rogan]

I apologize for my post, please don't look into the spoiler until the night starts.

[Unavenger]

Fext died today. They were thrown out the airlock. Fext's role was the Flying Pumpkin.

Fext, you are the Flying Pumpkin, a FIRST-NIGHT BULLETPROOF, 1-SHOT DISLOYAL AND STRONG, NOVICE VIGILANTE and a member of the TOWN. You win the game if you kill every hostile character or nothing can prevent this from happening, and at least one member of your team is alive.

You have THREE abilities:

Flying (Passive): During the first NIGHT of the game, you are IMMUNE to being killed at night but you cannot use any other abilities that night

Laser Beam (Kill Priority): Once per NIGHT, you may choose a player: they die. They are reported as having been killed by a laser.

Deadly Aim (Fast Priority): Once per game, at NIGHT, you may choose a player: if they are a member of the Mafia or the Serial Killer, they die. They are reported as having been killed by a laser. You cannot use your Laser Beam this night. This ability’s fast priority makes it unblockable by most abilities.

AvatarVecna voted ELENNA
Captain Cap voted GAC3
Snowblaze voted CAPTAIN CAP
Batcathat voted CAPTAIN CAP
SupaGoof voted CAPTAIN CAP
Taffimai REFUSED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CORRUPT INSTITUTION OF DEMOCRACY
gac3 voted CAPTAIN CAP
Book Wombat voted NO EXECUTE
Fext is dead! They can't vote!
Moonfly7 voted CAPTAIN CAP
BladeScape voted CAPTAIN CAP
Elenna voted CAPTAIN CAP
Metastachydium voted CAPTAIN CAP
Rogan voted GAC3

Elenna recieved 1 vote
Gac3 recieved 2 votes
Captain Cap recieved 8 votes
One player voted No Execute
One player refused to participate in the corrupt institution of democracy.
One player died today. They can't vote.

Captain Cap died today. He was executed. Captain Cap's role was The Pied Piper of Hamelin.

Captain Cap, you are the Pied Piper of Hamelin, an INVISIBLY CONDITIONALLY LOVED OR HATED ROLE BLOCKER and a member of the TOWN. You win the game if you kill every hostile character or nothing can prevent this from happening, and at least one member of your team is alive.

You have TWO abilities:

Entrancing Song (Roleblock Priority): Once per NIGHT you may choose a player: they are role blocked tonight (Fast Priority and other Roleblock Priority abilities cannot be blocked).

Pay the Piper (Passive): Each time you role block a member of the Mafia or a Serial Killer, you get a passive -1 to your execution vote, but each time you role block a member of the Town or a Survivor you get a passive +1 to your execution vote. This is not recorded until it kills or saves you, and even then, the specific number is not given.

NIGHT 2 START

This phase will end at 21:00 GMT, 23/10/2021.

[gac3]

So if you think Cao was lying about killing AV, what makes you think the RAC quote was truthful?


Well that happened. So much for a quiet last hour or so of the day

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Oh day ended earlier than I thought.

Because I wasn't sure if I should trust your or AV's name. Because it's easy to give me a fake name
You know what's harder? Coming up with a random pedantic quote about a game you weren't a part of that I was which also fits in the conversation and makes sense as a complaint about me having said we were wolves!

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Can someone repost Rogan's list?

[Rogan]

Fext died today. They were thrown out the airlock. Fext's role was the Flying Pumpkin.


NIGHT 2 START

This phase will end at 21:00 GMT, 23/10/2021.

WTF... What was Fext thinking? He had kill powers for the night but faked a day ability?

Also, I am sorry Cap. I was sure we would get another wolf.

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Snow: "AvatarVecna/Captain Cap/Supagoof/gac3/Book Wombat/Xihirli/bladescape/Taffamai

All wolves in that group?"
Yes!

[Taffimai]

What a lovely C-C-Colour. Such a conundrum for our seers tonight.

Me, or the Wombat? The Wombat, or me?

Faites vos jeux!

(Yes that is a counterclaim. I am the survivor)

[Unavenger]

What a lovely C-C-Colour.

It is a bit bright, isn't it? I honestly didn't think of what colour to give you until literally right now, so I just picked one. Ah well!

[Book Wombat]

Spoiler: A table, please do not flip

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Player Name	Status?	Identity?/Alignment?	Powers?
AvatarVecna	Alive	???	JoaT (each power is one-use)?? Bane?? Kill (need identity)?? Dayvig (works only on Serial Killer?, used) Feedback power?? Duplicate power (need exact name)??
Captain Cap	Dead	The Pied Piper of Hamelin/Town	Roleblock, vote manipulation effect
Snowblaze	Alive	???	???
Batcathat	Alive	???	???
Supagoof	Alive	???	Protection??
Taffimai	Alive	???/Survivor??	Dayvig (last to vote, used)
gac3	Alive	???	Dead chat access??
Book Wombat	Alive	???/Survivor	Variable
fext	Dead	Flying Pumpkin/Town	Night 1 Kill Immunity Kill Fast kill (only activates against Mafia/Serial Killer, one use)
moonfly7	Alive	???	???
Xihirli	Wanted: Dead or Alive	Blue Angel/Town	Roleblock Kill (only those previously roleblocked)
bladescape	Alive	(Game Show Host??)/Town	Kill?
Elenna	Alive	???	???
Metastachydium	Alive	???	???
CaoimhinTheCape	Dead	Cecil Palmer/Mafia	Mafia Kill Dawn broadcast
Rogan	Alive	???	Lie Detector (Night, single statement)?? REDACTED??

Either Taffimai's or AvatarVecna's day power is a bit suspicious, The former is cyan while the latter is normal. Hmm, could also be because the latter was quoted. Hmm.

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What a lovely C-C-Colour. Such a conundrum for our seers tonight.

Me, or the Wombat? The Wombat, or me?

Faites vos jeux!

(Yes that is a counterclaim. I am the survivor)

Huh, so either you're lying or there are two Survivors.

[Rogan]

What a lovely C-C-Colour. Such a conundrum for our seers tonight.

Me, or the Wombat? The Wombat, or me?

Faites vos jeux!

(Yes that is a counterclaim. I am the survivor)

ARGH...! What is wrong with this game? Why can't anything make sense?
Why did a towny commit suicide while in no danger of dying at this moment?
Why did a survivor wait with his counter claim?
Why are there so many conflicting information?

Why am I even playing?

[gac3]

WTF... What was Fext thinking? He had kill powers for the night but faked a day ability?

Also, I am sorry Cap. I was sure we would get another wolf.

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Snow: "AvatarVecna/Captain Cap/Supagoof/gac3/Book Wombat/Xihirli/bladescape/Taffamai

All wolves in that group?"
Yes!

So list:
Cap/xi/and blade are all town and dead.
I am town though it may take my death to prove it.
Now that cap is dead, I'm willing to fully believe Book.

So if there are three it's AV (basically confirmed in my mind right now), Goof, and Staff

That also depends on Rogan not pulling some trick.

Also Rogan, if you have a question you want tested, ask it and I'll repeat it for you. That way someone else said it.

What a lovely C-C-Colour. Such a conundrum for our seers tonight.

Me, or the Wombat? The Wombat, or me?

Faites vos jeux!

(Yes that is a counterclaim. I am the survivor)

Crap. Nevermind what I said before. Kill Book with Fire!

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ARGH...! What is wrong with this game? Why can't anything make sense?
Why did a towny commit suicide while in no danger of dying at this moment?
Why did a survivor wait with his counter claim?
Why are there so many conflicting information?

Why am I even playing?

Nothing I see conflicts.

A townie didn't commit suicide. AV faked being a townie on a suicide attempt because they were pissed off.
The survivor was waiting until they had a good chance to day kill and prove they are neither town nor wolf.

[Rogan]

Ah... I see.. no suicide, I never mixed up two names. Sorry.

Still, Fext made a poor decision in my mind. I get it now, he wanted to appear dangerous early on but harmless and suspicious later, to draw a kill at first and avoid it later.
A lone wolf strategy of a townie.

[Taffimai]

Why did a survivor wait with his counter claim?

I waited because Day 1 claims are often just fishing expeditions, and I explicitly wanted to be able to show that I am neutral (so, you know, thank you Fext). I have no reason to believe Book Wombat isn't a second survivor (although my QT definitely says "the") or perhaps some other role that needs to survive the game, like one of a pair of lovers. Now, at night, we can be confirmed without the need for lynching. I would really like to avoid lynching a second survivor if I can.

You have my earlier "I am neither the serial killer nor a wolf" statement, and my current claim that I am a survivor. Go nuts!

[Book Wombat]

This is honestly very confusing. Two Survivors is definitely strange but the only other options are that either I or Taffimai is the Serial Killer and I find it weird for one to claim like this. So Taffimai probably isn't lying but I know I'm also not.
If I don't die tonight I should be one of Rogan's "answers" if I am not the Survivor or Town fakeclaiming Survivor. If I am not on the list that means I am either a Survivor or Town.

[gac3]

This is honestly very confusing. Two Survivors is definitely strange but the only other options are that either I or Taffimai is the Serial Killer and I find it weird for one to claim like this. So Taffimai probably isn't lying but I know I'm also not.
If I don't die tonight I should be one of Rogan's "answers" if I am not the Survivor or Town fakeclaiming Survivor. If I am not on the list that means I am either a Survivor or Town.

You forgot the option that you are a wolf

[Rogan]

Also Rogan, if you have a question you want tested, ask it and I'll repeat it for you. That way someone else said it.

This would not work, it's a way to keep my power in check. I can't ask the question myself and I can't tell you to do it.
But thanks for offering.

@Everyone, keep in mind we don't know exactly many wolves there are. Probably there are two left, but there might be a third.

There is definitely a serial killer.

I am not as sure about winning now as I was before.

Regarding the survivor subject, Book would make sense as a wolf. Teff is definitely not a wolf. Could be the killer.

[Book Wombat]

You forgot the option that you are a wolf

Right, that too.

EDIT: Wait what? That is basically what I said.
EDIT 2: Oh the first part, thought you were talking about the second part for a moment. Yeah.

[bladescape]

Welcome to round two, all you unwilling participants.

Today was a bad day, but we can make it better!

To communicate our sorrow, please vote for up to two people with the following coding:
Bold and Dark Blue.

Like So.

I hope you all will help me avenge town deaths, let our tears flow and burn the wolves who dare manipulate us!

[gac3]

Right, that too.

EDIT: Wait what? That is basically what I said.
EDIT 2: Oh the first part, thought you were talking about the second part for a moment. Yeah.

You only said serial killer.

[Elenna]

Because I wasn't sure if I should trust your or AV's name. Because it's easy to give me a fake name
You know what's harder? Coming up with a random pedantic quote about a game you weren't a part of that I was which also fits in the conversation and makes sense as a complaint about me having said we were wolves!

Yeah, it's true that I find it hard to imagine Cao coming up with that specific of a lie.

One thing that I can maybe imagine (this is pure speculation and I'm not saying that I think it's likely) is that someone in wolf chat said "in RAC they were town teams and not two mafia" or something similar that doesn't imply that the speaker played RAC, and Cao adjusted it slightly.

Incidentally, your quote says "we were town teams with extra victory conditions", or something like that, right? (Would you mind posting it again?) That sounds to me like the speaker was actually one of the Russians or Americans, which AV was not.

I don't think AV was faking being pissed off but it's possible that they were genuinely pissed off that Rogan had an OP power, yeah.

What a lovely C-C-Colour. Such a conundrum for our seers tonight.

Me, or the Wombat? The Wombat, or me?

Faites vos jeux!

(Yes that is a counterclaim. I am the survivor)

A survivor with a day-kill? That sounds suspiciously like AV's claim last game when they were actually the SK. And it's notable that Taffimai only did this after AV used up their SK-kill.

Not saying I 100% believe Wombat yet, but it is a little suspicious.

Taffimai, why did you pick Fext to kill? Did you actually think they were the SK? Can you win with the SK (if you know?)

Also Rogan, if you have a question you want tested, ask it and I'll repeat it for you. That way someone else said it.

Rogan already said he can't ask someone else to ask a question for him.
(Also, y'know, the proposed ultimate question is pretty clearly the best option.)

I waited because Day 1 claims are often just fishing expeditions, and I explicitly wanted to be able to show that I am neutral (so, you know, thank you Fext). I have no reason to believe Book Wombat isn't a second survivor (although my QT definitely says "the") or perhaps some other role that needs to survive the game, like one of a pair of lovers. Now, at night, we can be confirmed without the need for lynching. I would really like to avoid lynching a second survivor if I can.

You have my earlier "I am neither the serial killer nor a wolf" statement, and my current claim that I am a survivor. Go nuts!

See my questions above. Specifically, you've been claiming Fext was an SK for a while, why wait until right at EOD?

(Also I don't think Rogan should waste his power just checking you, and I don't expect any other seers we might have would need a statement like that. But I guess it can't hurt.)

[Book Wombat]

On another note: I spheal kinda sad fext died.

[Elenna]

The bomb only made sense if it was true or an attempt to save Fext.

There's plenty of reason a wolf would want to sow incorrect information about who wolves are beyond trying to save the current lynch candidate...

[Rogan]

Welcome to round two, all you unwilling participants.

Today was a bad day, but we can make it better!

To communicate our sorrow, please vote for up to two people with the following coding:
Bold and Dark Blue.

Like So.

I hope you all will help me avenge town deaths, let our tears flow and burn the wolves who dare manipulate us!

Goof, would you be willing to be a good townie and sacrifice your life for a good cause? Blades could shoot you while you protect someone else. This way, if you are town you flip at start of day and we don't need to vote for you.
But since you can't trust me, I understand if you don't want to do this.

Book Wombat is suspect and definitely not town. A shot here would not hurt us and might give us information about the other survivor claim.

Which reminds me... I would like to hear the victory condition for the survivor claims.
Book already mentioned having more than the usual and I think he implied he needs to guess names.

[gac3]

Welcome to round two, all you unwilling participants.

Today was a bad day, but we can make it better!

To communicate our sorrow, please vote for up to two people with the following coding:
Bold and Dark Blue.

Like So.

I hope you all will help me avenge town deaths, let our tears flow and burn the wolves who dare manipulate us!

This is for killing? Yes? I'll give three. Two people I'm near certain are wolves and one who might have to die for people to believe me.AV, Book, Gac3

[Elenna]

Book Wombat is suspect and definitely not town. A shot here would not hurt us and might give us information about the other survivor claim.

Which reminds me... I would like to hear the victory condition for the survivor claims.
Book already mentioned having more than the usual and I think he implied he needs to guess names.

Why Wombat and not Taffimai?