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    If you guys like the Olidammara lore so much, you can read an article talking about him in Dragon #342. According to the article, the origins of the small creature with a carapice-like covering came about when he was robbing a vault owned by Zagag. Zagag transformed the god of thieves as punishment, though eventually Olidammara got better. Deciding that he liked the form, he would occasionally turn into it and it became another symbol for him.
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    I was going to link this thread to the other 2 that have circulated, but funny enough, you started all 3. I am rather doubtful you are going to find much that the original that went on for pages missed.

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    I always found it weird that lawful neutral creatures go to mechanus for their afterlife, because there's almost nothing there but gears, formians, and inevitables. I never knew what you're supposed to do there, just hang out and talk about law things? Or do you just become fodder for the formian mines?

    Something I've never understood is why formians are the lawful neutral outsiders, since they're described as conquering slavers. Not exactly neutral behavior.

    I haven't seen any official 3.5 content addressing where the Modrons went and if they're just gone now. Something interesting that might have something to do with it is the discussion of Primus in an issue of Dragon Magazine, which explained that Tenebrous destroyed him, leaving them without leadership.
    Also, the whole Orcus/Tenebrous issue always seemed a bit foolish. Tenebrous is a deity powerful enough to upset the establishment, but Orcus is a Demon Lord who struggles to beat out Demogorgon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Viscount View Post
    I always found it weird that lawful neutral creatures go to mechanus for their afterlife, because there's almost nothing there but gears, formians, and inevitables. I never knew what you're supposed to do there, just hang out and talk about law things? Or do you just become fodder for the formian mines?

    Something I've never understood is why formians are the lawful neutral outsiders, since they're described as conquering slavers. Not exactly neutral behavior.

    I haven't seen any official 3.5 content addressing where the Modrons went and if they're just gone now.
    There was a web enhancement for 3.0 Manual of the Planes that clarified that yes, they're still around, and gave them stats.

    http://archive.wizards.com/default.a...d/we/20010921a

    To sum up - yes, Primus was killed, but there's a new Primus that replaces him.
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    A Planar Shepherd10 permanently becomes an Outsider native to his plane he chose at level 1 (Lamannia, Dal Quor, etc.).

    A Planar Shepherd9 can Wild Shape into any Elemental or Outsider native to his chosen plane.

    Thus, a Planar Shepherd9 with enough Wild Shape boosters (but more likely a Planar Shepherd10) can Wild Shape into another Planar Shepherd10 of his chosen plane within the HD limit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endarire View Post
    A Planar Shepherd10 permanently becomes an Outsider native to his plane he chose at level 1 (Lamannia, Dal Quor, etc.).

    A Planar Shepherd9 can Wild Shape into any Elemental or Outsider native to his chosen plane.

    Thus, a Planar Shepherd9 with enough Wild Shape boosters (but more likely a Planar Shepherd10) can Wild Shape into another Planar Shepherd of his chosen plane within the HD limit.
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    Thanks, dan!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Viscount View Post
    Also, the whole Orcus/Tenebrous issue always seemed a bit foolish. Tenebrous is a deity powerful enough to upset the establishment, but Orcus is a Demon Lord who struggles to beat out Demogorgon.
    Because of botched (interrupted by adventurers) resurrection ritual, Orcus and Tenebrous got separated (like Tymora and Beshaba)

    As a result - Orcus got life, but not divinity; Tenebrous - divinity, but not life

    Tenebrous (pre-ritual) wrecked establishment because he discovered The Last Word - an utterance so powerful that it could destroy literally anybody; but The Last Word required true divinity, or it will destroy the user as well; so, Orcus nowadays uses lesser diluted variant of it, which allow saving throws, on successful save rebounds back to him, and available only a few times per day

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    Libris Mortis have variants of regular Vampire; one is Savage Vampire

    Dragon #348 have Savage Vampire (separate template)

    Does it mean we can make Savage Savage Vampire?

    Then I noticed Savage Creature template (Dungeon #140), actually, doesn't change type of base creature
    So, Savage Savage Vampire Savage Creature? (It's so savage that you have to say it three times.)

    For the extra fun, use Neanderthal as a base creature.
    With Feral Creature template.

    Savage Savage Vampire Savage Creature Feral Creature Neanderthal
    How's it?

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    Libris Mortis have variants of regular Vampire; one is Savage Vampire

    Dragon #348 have Savage Vampire (separate template)

    Does it mean we can make Savage Savage Vampire?

    Then I noticed Savage Creature template (Dungeon #140), actually, doesn't change type of base creature
    So, Savage Savage Vampire Savage Creature? (It's so savage that you have to say it three times.)

    For the extra fun, use Neanderthal as a base creature.
    With Feral Creature template.

    Savage Savage Vampire Savage Creature Feral Creature Neanderthal
    How's it?
    How about a beguiler with levels in beguiler and five levels in scarlet corsair to get the scourge of the seas class feature, with the scourge of the seas feat, the vampire, savage vampire, savage vampire, savage and vampire lord creature templates?

    So it's a beguiler beguiler savage savage vampire savage vampire vampire lord scourge of the seas scourge of the seas?

    You can also have a dragon dragon dragon disciple dragon shaman purple dragon knight dragon descendant dragon ascendant dragon totem lorekeeper or a knight annointed knight mystic fire knight knight of the raven eldritch knight ruby knight vindicator knight of the lily knight of the sacred seal ruby rose knight knight of the chalice bone knight triadic knight knight of the iron glacier knight of the rose knight of the thorn vengeance knight darksong knight knight of the chalice knight of the skull thayan knight knight platinum knight knight protector knight of the crown knight of the flying hunt knight of tyr's holy judgment vengeance knight knight of the blue moon purple dragon knight knight of the pearl ascetic knight knight of the sword knight-errant of silverymoon... look, there are a lot of knights and I'm not going to list them all, plus you probably fall horribly in half of them by this point.

    You can also be a shadow sun ninja ninja ninja spy ninja of the crescent moon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jormengand View Post
    How about a beguiler with levels in beguiler and five levels in scarlet corsair to get the scourge of the seas class feature, with the scourge of the seas feat, the vampire, savage vampire, savage vampire, savage and vampire lord creature templates?

    So it's a beguiler beguiler savage savage vampire savage vampire vampire lord scourge of the seas scourge of the seas?
    What.

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    What.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jormengand View Post
    So it's a beguiler beguiler savage savage vampire savage vampire vampire lord scourge of the seas scourge of the seas?
    Sorry to rain on your parade, but Beguiler is a Magical Beast - thus illegal for Savage Vampire (unless you slap on some more templates, or levels in some transformational prc)

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    How about a beguiler with levels in beguiler and five levels in scarlet corsair to get the scourge of the seas class feature, with the scourge of the seas feat, the vampire, savage vampire, savage vampire, savage and vampire lord creature templates?

    So it's a beguiler beguiler savage savage vampire savage vampire vampire lord scourge of the seas scourge of the seas?
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    Sorry to rain on your parade, but Beguiler is a Magical Beast - thus illegal for Savage Vampire (unless you slap on some more templates, or levels in some transformational prc)
    Which I'm pretty sure is relatively trivial to achieve.

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    I still consider the Planescape cosmology canon, because it was both more coherent and thematically balanced. Under that system though...

    Mechanus always bothered me. If the entire plane consists of interconnected gears and cogs in an infinitely large plane, A single gear being bound by something unmovable would bring the entire place to a halt.
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    Which I'm pretty sure is relatively trivial to achieve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inevitability View Post
    Dustform --> Incarnate Construct makes it humanoid, though it also comes with an annoying hyper-vulnerability to bludgeoning weapons.
    Please elaborate with this "hyper-vulnerability" - it doesn't click right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielxcutter View Post
    Please elaborate with this "hyper-vulnerability" - it doesn't click right now.
    From the book:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inevitability View Post
    From the book:
    The right ToB strike could dust one of those short of a nat 20. I mean seriously, I doubt that even most epic monsters could pass a save if you used a Strike of Perfect Clarity or one of the Nightmare Blade series.
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    How about a beguiler with levels in beguiler and five levels in scarlet corsair to get the scourge of the seas class feature, with the scourge of the seas feat, the vampire, savage vampire, savage vampire, savage and vampire lord creature templates?
    Note: Beguiler is an Int-based class; Savage Savage Vampire Savage Creature have whopping -8 to Int
    +10 Str is nice, but Beguiler have -4 Str and Small size, so unimpressive even as a bruiser
    The best thing will, probably, be the +10 Dex, which, with Small size and racial +8 on Hide and Move Silently, can make it decent stealth specialist

    Quote Originally Posted by Jormengand View Post
    So it's a beguiler beguiler savage savage vampire savage vampire vampire lord scourge of the seas scourge of the seas?
    I think you will need also somehow get access to Beguiling Influence invocation
    Why not to add in Crimson Scourge, Scourge Maiden, and Weapon Master with Scourge as a weapon of choice?

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    You can also have a dragon dragon dragon disciple dragon shaman purple dragon knight dragon descendant dragon ascendant dragon totem lorekeeper
    Note: for being called Dungeons and Dragons, the game have lots and lots of "...dragon..." stuff, but nowhere close in number of "...dungeon..." stuff

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    or a knight annointed knight mystic fire knight knight of the raven eldritch knight ruby knight vindicator knight of the lily knight of the sacred seal ruby rose knight knight of the chalice bone knight triadic knight knight of the iron glacier knight of the rose knight of the thorn vengeance knight darksong knight knight of the chalice knight of the skull thayan knight knight platinum knight knight protector knight of the crown knight of the flying hunt knight of tyr's holy judgment vengeance knight knight of the blue moon purple dragon knight knight of the pearl ascetic knight knight of the sword knight-errant of silverymoon... look, there are a lot of knights and I'm not going to list them all, plus you probably fall horribly in half of them by this point.
    A lot of those knights are not just alignment- and patron- incompatible, but also from completely different settings. Is there a point to mention them in the same character sheet?

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    Which I'm pretty sure is relatively trivial to achieve.
    Yes; but it doesn't help thematic consistency, and will at least bump CR up; likely, also move LA into double digit range


    Quote Originally Posted by Inevitability View Post
    Dustform --> Incarnate Construct makes it humanoid, though it also comes with an annoying hyper-vulnerability to bludgeoning weapons.
    I doubt Beguiler is legal for Incarnate Construct trick: it's description says:
    This plump quadruped is about the size of a small dog. It is somewhat mouselike in appearance, with big, glistening black eyes, large ears, and a pointed snout.
    Incarnate Construct required "humanoid-shaped construct"
    Fortunately, good old Unseelie Fey should work like a magic (at the price of +1 CR, and with possible unexpectedness from Vision table)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShurikVch View Post
    Note: for being called Dungeons and Dragons, the game have lots and lots of "...dragon..." stuff, but nowhere close in number of "...dungeon..." stuff
    There's still enough to get goofy. You can take a base creature of a Corrupted Half-Ogre and make a Dungeonbred Dungeoncrasher Fighter Dungeon Delver Dungeon Lord with maximum ranks in Knowledge (Dungeoneering).
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