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Thread: Xykon's concern
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2007-06-07, 01:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Xykon's concern
When he was diving for Redcloak telling him to get away do you think it was because he was worried about Redclock dieing or worried about his phychalcteraryeer (cant spell it) getting broken?
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2007-06-07, 01:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Xykon's concern
does it really matter?
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2007-06-07, 01:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Xykon's concern
Xykon has show blantent disregard for the value of his minions' lives in the past, so I'm willing to bet it was the fact that his Phy... the amulet with his soul in it was in danger.
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2007-06-07, 01:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Xykon's concern
Maybe, but the point is to post your veiws on stuff here. Anyway if he was concerned about redcloak then they are more of a team, rather than Xykon being selfish like he usually is. The point is that one way he is just as horrible to Red as he was in the earlier strips, the other he actually is showing concern for one of his 'minions'
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2007-06-07, 01:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Xykon's concern
Oh, no. I don't care how much he might actually like Redcloak, Xykon was way more concerned about his soul-hidey-place.
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2007-06-07, 01:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Xykon's concern
I wondered the same thing. I don't think Xycon would be able to cope without Redcloak - he needs someone to take care of the details, somehow I don't imagine he's too good at that part of it himself. So, maybe it was a bit of both? And just maybe, there's a touch of fondness for his loyal (ish) sidekick - after all, he's very used to having Redcloak around. Bless.
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2007-06-07, 01:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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No, it doesn't, really. In that logic, none of our speculations matter either, though.
Anyways, on topic. I think it was a bit of both, really. I mean whether or not he actually cares for Redcloak's life, I think even he would see it wouldn't be precisely easy to get such a loyal keeper for his phylactery.
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2007-06-07, 01:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-06-07, 01:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Xykon's concern
Ima guess that although the soul-hidey-thing was more important to him, at some level he does like RC because if you check near the end he is having a buddy-buddy about to die conversation.
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2007-06-07, 01:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Xykon's concern
Just a bit of explaining my reasoning: if you're going to go to the effort of discovering and performing the rituals to turn yourself into an immortal, nigh-unkillable mockery of life, you have some serious issues when it comes death. You DO NOT want to die. You'd rather become this hideous, soulless creature without flesh or muscle or even lungs than succumb to death's cold embrace.
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Jones: "Do you fear death?"
Sparrow: "You have no idea."
Xykon's the same way. Xykon does not want to die. He is terrified of the prospect, and hey, considering most Chaotic Evil folks end up as miserable, tortured currency for evil outsiders, wouldn't you be, too?
Sorry, fellow Team Evil lovers, but Redcloak getting away was just a bonus to the whole "not dying permanently" thing.
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2007-06-07, 01:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Xykon's concern
What confuses me is that Xykon flew toward Redcloak when he could have held Soon back with a Moderately Escapable Forcecage or something. More distance from Redcloak means more time for Redcloak to react, and fewer lichs to get bull rushed into him.
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2007-06-07, 02:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-06-07, 03:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Xykon's concern
There might be more to it than Redcloak being another minion. Sure, his Phylawhatsit was in danger, but I am thinking that they must have some deeper connection between them. I mean, Xykon and Redcloak play Yahtzee together!
Maybe Redcloak knew Xykon back before he was a lich.
Well, hopefully it is explained in Start of Darkness when it comes out.
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2007-06-07, 03:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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I guess we'll find out in Start of Darkness whether or not Xykon really does have a reason to care for Redcloak or it's just panic over possibly being finally sent to his final punishment.
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2007-06-07, 03:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Xykon's concern
phalactery 100%. Xykon was betting on Miko to kill redcloak in round 4 of the tower remember? His life is meaningless compared to Xykon's phalactery.
I would be a procrastinator, but I keep putting it off.
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2007-06-07, 03:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-06-07, 03:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-06-07, 03:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-06-07, 03:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Xykon's concern
Can you imagine if Xykon were destroyed, then Redcloak true resurrects him?
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2007-06-07, 03:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-06-07, 03:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Xykon's concern
Red Cloak and Xykon are probably friends (the "Dying" panel in this latest strip isn't the only time in the comic that they've talked as if they were good buddies) but in this case, it was definately the phylactory. The fact that Xykon dived for RC right after Soon mentioned it and grinned like that couldn't make this more obvious.
Also, because someone mentioned it, Xykon did NOT leave Red Cloak to die at Miko's hands. He was betting on when Miko would beat Red Cloak, not KILL him. He did interupt when it got to that point, after all.Last edited by TiamatRoar; 2007-06-07 at 03:42 PM.
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2007-06-07, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Xykon's concern
The cage spell doesn't cover the floor though as I recall. He could sink down through the floor and pop up elsewhere.
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2007-06-07, 04:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Xykon's concern
Normal Forcecages can become a 5x5 windowless cube. So I'd assume it can.
And no, it can't. Items being attended to by a PC(or NPC) cannot be destroyed by AoE effects except on a Natural 1 on a save. And the spells that can destroy it need to hit a dimunitive object hanging from the neck of a goblin. Even if a wizard could hit that, he'd have to use something like Disintegrate to destroy it.
And even then, who's going to aim a Disintegrate spell at a medallion hanging from a goblin's neck without knowing what the medallion actually is? It's the basis of "hide in plain sight". Even if someone managed to destroy Xykon and kill Redcloak, are they really going to strip the cleric's holy symbol? No, they're going to go looking for where the lich hid his phylactery, which they don't realize is right under their nose.Last edited by ZeroNumerous; 2007-06-07 at 04:09 PM.
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2007-06-07, 04:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Xykon's concern
1) Xykon didn't have any high level spells left. Forcecage is a seventh level spell.
2) Xykon might not actually know Forcecage. We have only ever seen him cast Xykon's Moderately Escapable Forcecage (which is also probably a sixth-eighth level spell, so he was probably out of those slots too), which has no floor.
3) Forcecage requires 1500 gp of ruby dust. Xykon probably only planned to use the spell once -- on the paladin he wanted to manipulate into being the target of his Teevo. I doubt he had more ruby dust in those pockets of his.
So, no, it is very unlikely that Xykon would have been able to Forcecage Soon to protect his phylactery (and, incidentally, Redcloak).Last edited by Wrecan; 2007-06-07 at 04:16 PM.
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2007-06-07, 04:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Xykon's concern
Well, the concern was for the phylactery and Xykon's unlife, but there must be some reason why Redcloak carries it. I think that at least Xykon thinks that without Redcloak he wouldn't survive long. Or maybe he wouldn't want to. SoD may answer that.
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2007-06-07, 04:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-06-07, 05:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-06-07, 05:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think people are reading too much into the whole PC vs NPC thing. Sure, its included for gags every now and then, but ultimately, this is a story, not a game.
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2007-06-07, 05:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2007-06-07, 06:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Xykon's concern
Xykon never worried about Redcloak until Soon mentioned the Phylactery. Xykon was oncerned only for his own existence.