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2020-09-10, 01:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oops forgot about the strikethrough bit
Going inactivies is unfortunate
But because of the set-up really the dragoon is not a great loss because it can't confirm other's roles anyways
And this is mech heavy enough it's solveable
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I do say this aware I started the inactive wagon and I get why it's neccesary
But still feels bad
Guess we need more posting :P
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2020-09-10, 08:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Reminder. We have a little under 13 hours left to get actions in/make changes to your actions
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2020-09-11, 08:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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End of Night 1
You wake up to discover the remains of a shadow double and the charred corpse of Johny Patches Traitor: Thief.
Spoiler: TheifThief: You have sticky fingers and and quick feet. Each night choose one person and steal their vote for the following day.
Begin Day 2
You have 47 hours.
I think I got everything. If I missed anyone who was expecting feedback, let me know.Last edited by gac3; 2020-09-11 at 09:03 AM.
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2020-09-11, 09:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Huh... so Xi and The Outsider were right about going after quiet ones. I guess that eliminates them from my suspicious list.
I had a post written up to post once D2 started, but that requires some edits. Edited version (hopefully fully edited to be accurate) below.
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Trying to parse what happened D1. Some details are omitted as tangential, but here's the highlights that look suspicious to me as the wagons started forming and moving around.
Wagon formed on Valmark (kinda suddenly), then forms on Xihirli.
Apogee1 pokes BookWombat.
Xihirli votes BookWombat, giving a third vote.
JeenLeen, then Helgraf, vote Xihirli. Xihirli up for lynch.
Valmark votes BookWombat.
The Outsider votes BookWombat.
Xihirli claims White Mage.
AV notes that Xihirli's statements make sense if she's White Mage, and votes BookWombat.
Cao votes BookWombat.
Unavenger votes BookWombat.
BookWombat flips Town.
It's been a long week, so I'm not up for making some heavy analysis like "if X flips Wolf/Town, then the implications for Y are...", but I think there's some stuff we can learn from knowing FOR SURE the alignment of Valmark, Apogee1, or Xihirli. Maybe The Outsider, too. But after Johnny flipped wolf, I feel like trusting Xi and The Outsider. So really I'm most curious about knowing Valmark or Apogee.
So I'm going to voteValmarkagain.
Also, if Valmark does flip wolf, that's even more evidence that Xihirli is Town. And having a mostly-town-confirmed baner is a useful thing.
OH--and we know the Black Mage is Town.
Or, if any of Black Mage, Xi, or The Outsider are wolf, they decided to kill off their no-show in hopes of gaining towncred. But... that seems an odd move for wolves to make, so I'm willing to accept them as Town.Last edited by JeenLeen; 2020-09-11 at 03:10 PM.
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2020-09-11, 09:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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So Xihirli....
Claim your doc target probably?
Or at least set up a network privately
Cause that person is approximately always town
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2020-09-11, 09:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Bussing a missing wolf for easy towncred is a possibility. If Xi is scum, for example, it's easy to cast shade on the inactives publicly. That way if, down the line, the lynch or the vig catches the other inactive, it makes her look better because it was her idea in the first place.
We also know the Ninja is town and is down a life. Or at least, that's what the narration implies.
I've also identified the Freelancer, as it happens; something that should've happened...didn't happen, if you catch my meaning. Time will tell what side they're on.
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2020-09-11, 09:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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How does my death confirm Xi's Townism? I don't disagree that it would be useful but I can't see how that specific information can be obtained.
The ways for a kill to not fo through are White Mage and Ninja right? I haven't forgotten any? Assuming the Traitors tried to kill and failed.
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Riiiight, shadow double. Yeah, I guess that was the Ninja and not a succesfull protect.
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2020-09-11, 09:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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There's two kill powers (scumteam and Black Mage), and there's two would-be deaths in the night (the successful thief kill, and either the Ninja who dodged or somebody who was protected by the White Mage).
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Gut feeling, Necromancer is maybe town. Wolves would want inactive players to live longer in general (makes their life easier), but also if the Necromancer was scumteam, they'd want active deaths even more, so that they'd have active players to talk to in the afterlife.
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2020-09-11, 09:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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I am going to vote
CaoimhintheCape, because they asked me if I was shielding Kinro, I said no, and then the Wolves' Target whiffed.
Because when I said no, it was a deception.
I do not view myself as having been town confirmed, and don't think it would be best to center a network of claims around me.Last edited by Xihirli; 2020-09-11 at 09:09 PM.
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2020-09-11, 09:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-11, 09:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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By the way. We are down to 11 people. #of votes required for a lynch: 3.
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2020-09-11, 09:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Placeholder vote on
Apogee1.Last edited by AvatarVecna; 2020-09-11 at 05:18 PM.
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2020-09-11, 10:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Kinro, could you confirm that you got a bane-charge?
If yes, that effectively confirms Xi is honest about both her Role and what she did, and thus about her 'evidence'.
I put 'evidence' in quotes because it doesn't necessarily mean Xi is correct that the wolves' target shifted. It could never have been Kinro to begin with. But we might have nothing better to go on D2.
Yet, with all that, as Xi admits, none of this confirms her as Town, just White Mage.
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2020-09-11, 10:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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So, Jeen is right, Black Mage is confirmed town. I don't know that they should reveal yet, but they can be included in a town network because of that Johnny kill. Gac updated the player list to show the same as what I have below.
Spoiler: Role List
Beast Master: ??? : ???
Black Mage: Town : ???
Blue Mage: ??? : Kinro
Dark Knight: ??? : ???
Dragoon: Town : Book Wombat
Freelancer: ??? : ???
Hunter: ??? : ???
Necromancer: ??? : ???
Ninja: ??? : ???
Paladin: ??? : ???
Scholar: ??? : ???
Thief: Wolf: Johnny Patches
White Mage: ??? : Xihirli
I feel good about Outsider, given their vote on Johnny. Could have been distancing, but I'm inclined to think it wasn't.
I did ask you about your target Xi, but Wolves targeted Ninja last night, not Kinro.
Not sure where I want to place my vote yet, will read over the thread and see if anything jumps out at me. Either that, or, private networks can be a thing.
Vote Count (3 minimum to lynch)
Valmark (1): JeenLeen
CaoimhintheCape (1): Xihirli
Apogee1 (1): AvatarVecna
Not Voting (3): Apogee1, Valmark, CaoimhintheCape
No Posts (5): Unavenger, Elenna, Helgraf, The Outsider, KinroLast edited by CaoimhinTheCape; 2020-09-11 at 10:13 AM. Reason: clarification
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2020-09-11, 10:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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I agree with the word swords.
Also, my votecount above was wrong. Fixing it, plus throwing a vote onHelgrafso that I have a vote out there. I don't have any strong wolf reads yet (given both dead players were afk) but I like pressuring someone who didn't have votes day 1.
Vote Count (3 minimum to lynch)
Valmark (1): JeenLeen
Helgraf (2): Valmark, CaoimhintheCape
CaoimhintheCape (1): Xihirli
Apogee1 (1): AvatarVecna
Not Voting (3): Apogee1,
No Posts (4): Unavenger, Elenna, The Outsider, KinroLast edited by CaoimhinTheCape; 2020-09-11 at 02:35 PM.
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2020-09-11, 11:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Okay, so yeah, wolves definitely hit the Ninja. Technically Black Mage could still be a wolf looking for towncred, but that would be a pretty weird move (not least because if wolves actually had two kills a night they would be in a really good position and wouldn't need to bother with weird plays )
I'm down to test Xi's theory by votingCaoimhin.
Side question, what do people think about publically mass claiming roles? On one hand, is giving wolves info in who to kill. On the other hand, we could coordinate targets more easily (admittedly less important since there are no vortexers, but still) and we could maybe catch some wolves by seeing if people lie about their actions/results. Although obviously not everyone should publically state their actions in advance.
I initially wasn't going to suggest it since I figured it probably helped wolves more than town, but apparently most people have already claimed to AV (why do people keep claiming to AC with no evidence??) so I'm worried about the possibility that AV is a wolf and the wolves know all the roles and town doesn't. So maybe we should just get all the information into the open?Last edited by Elenna; 2020-09-11 at 02:11 PM.
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2020-09-11, 11:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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*takes notes*
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Given that I'm fairly certain the wolves targeted the Ninja for the kill last night (barring weird scum!blackmage 4D chess shenanigans), I don't think the events described mean Cao has a smoking gun:
Originally Posted by Order Of EventsLast edited by AvatarVecna; 2020-09-11 at 11:11 AM.
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2020-09-11, 11:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Back up a bit, how did we confirm the ninja was targeted, and not a baner/vigilante combo?
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2020-09-11, 11:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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gac3 said a shadow double died, and that means the Ninja lost a life. At least, I can't read that any other way.
The wolf-corpse was "charred", which seems to imply the Black Mage. And that's how everyone seems to be taking it.
So it seems conclusive that the wolves tried to kill the Ninja, and the Black Mage (presumably Town) killed the wolf.
From reading the roles, the only kills in play are wolf NK, Black Mage vigilante kill, and Dark Knight retribution kill. So I don't know what you mean by baner/vigilante combo. Could you clarify?
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2020-09-11, 11:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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The narration isn't the same thing as mechanical confirmation. More to the point, though: if the only way for somebody to survive the NK was being baned, then yes Cao would look pretty suspicious right now. But being baned is not the only way to be protected from the NK, because the Ninja is in play. Heck, we technically don't even know if either of those is what happened - for all we know, the narration is meaningless, tye black mage didn't shoot last night, and the wolves did in fact shoot one of their own as a bigbrain play.
But the most likely explanation in my mind is that wolves targeted the ninja, not Kinro. And cao's claimed ninja, with no counterclaim (public or private) that I'm aware of.
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2020-09-11, 11:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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From the private chat I'm in, it sounds like AV has most if not all of the roles claimed and has told at least some folk she has most of the roles claimed.
AV: is there any good reason you shouldn't share now, and we try to discern the results or coordinate? I'd like to hear your answer to Elenna's question.