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Black Lotus [Martial Discipline]
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This discipline comes with the Sublime Assassin class.
The Black Lotus Discipline
This secret discipline focuses on stealth, poison and assassination techniques. The key skill for Black Lotus is Sleight of Hand. Black Lotus favored weapons include the dagger (any type), hidden blade, ninja-to and short sword (any type).
1ST LEVEL
• Blackened Heart Focus: (Boost) ─ Suppress your emotions and sharpen your intent.
• Poison Swap: (Counter) ─ Apply poison to your blades as an immediate action.
• Spiraling Lotus Stance: (Stance) ─ Your attacks are sharpened against weakened foes.
• Veiled Stab: (Strike) ─ Use a Sleight of Hand check to make a sneak attack.
2ND LEVEL
• Death Blossom: (Strike) ─ Attack a Dex denied opponent and deal bonus sneak attack damage, increase the chance of poisoning your opponent.
• Fading Petal: (Counter) ─ Counter being flanked or use Sleight of Hand check to prevent being disarmed, grappled or tripped.
3RD LEVEL
• Enduring Venom: (Counter) ─ Force reroll against your poison with a -2 penalty.
• Twisting Fang: (Strike) ─ Deal +1d8 per two initiator levels bonus damage and with increased critical potency.
• Way of the Unseen: (Stance) ─ You gain darkvision, increased movement and enhanced stealth.
4TH LEVEL
• Blade Paradox: (Counter) ─ Counter an attack of opportunity.
• Throatseeker: (Strike) ─ Attack a Dex denied opponent and deal bonus sneak attack damage, may hinder the targets ability to speak.
5TH LEVEL
• Blades of the Unseen: (Boost) ─ Swiftly slide behind your target in order to make an attack.
• Shroud of Sins: (Stance) ─ Enhance your assassination techniques.
6TH LEVEL
• Flourishing Lotus Stride: (Boost) ─ Free your movement, enhance your speed and ignoring difficult terrain.
• Withering Lotus Strike: (Strike) ─ Make an powerful sneak attack that deals bonus damage, 1d6 Con damage and prevent healing.
7TH LEVEL
• Black Venom Thrust: (Strike) ─ A critical strike that deals four times Dex to damage, target must instantly roll for secondary poison damage.
• Eyes of Massacre: (Stance) ─ Increase the critical capabilities of your weapons.
8TH LEVEL
• Black Lotus Eclipse: (Strike) ─ Attack a Dex denied opponent and deal bonus sneak attack damage, may inflict exhaustion and blindness.
• Veil of Deception: (Counter) ─ Add half your Sleight of Hand ranks to AC and cause target to become flat-footed against your next turn attacks.
9TH LEVEL
• Death Sealer: (Strike) ─ Make a full attack action against Dex denied opponent, your attacks automatically critical hit and may grant the option to Coup de Grace.Last edited by Zakaroth; 2014-03-03 at 05:37 PM. Reason: Fixed a value in the maneuver list.
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Maneuver Descriptions
1st-Level
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Blackened Heart Focus
Black Lotus (Boost)
Level: Black Lotus 1
Initiation Action: 1 swift action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: End of turn
Emotions are but a burden for those who practice the art of assassination, distracting through doubt, fear, or even worse, pity. No. One of the first things an assassin must learn is to reign over his emotions, exiling them from his being, turning his gaze hollow.
As you initiate this boost you suppress all emotions. This boost functions similar to a Calm Emotion spell, with the exception that it doesn't prevent you from attacking. In addition, until the end of turn, your inner rest provides you with a +1 bonus to attack rolls, plus your melee weapons have their threat range increased by 1, and critical threats do not require a conformation roll.
Poison Swap
Black Lotus (Counter)
Level: Black Lotus 1
Initiation Action: 1 immediate action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: Instantaneous
You can initiate this maneuver at any time you would successfully hit an opponent in melee combat. You may apply a poison to your weapons as an immediate action. You don’t risk poisoning yourself when using this maneuver.
Spiraling Lotus Stance
Black Lotus (Stance)
Level: Black Lotus 1
Initiation Action: 1 swift action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: Stance
As you weaken your target, your resolve and intent sharpen, further enhancing your combat efficiency. Whenever you attack an opponent that is poisoned or below 50% of their maximum health, you gain a +2 bonus on attack rolls, damage rolls and AC. If both conditions are met, the total bonus is increased to +4. This bonus lasts until the beginning of your next round and is immediately lost if you leave this stance.
Veiled Stab
Black Lotus (Strike)
Level: Black Lotus 1
Initiation Action: 1 standard action
Range: Melee Attack
Target: One creature
As part of this maneuver, you make a single melee attack. Instead of a normal attack roll you must make a Sleight of Hand check opposed by your opponent's AC. If your Sleight of Hand check succeeds, this strike is considered a successful sneak attack, dealing an additional 1d6 sneak attack damage per four initiator levels (rounded up). If the Sleight of Hand check fails, you instead make a single melee attack at you highest attack modifier.
2nd-Level
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Death Blossom
Black Lotus (Strike)
Level: Black Lotus 2
Initiation Action: 1 standard action
Range: Melee Attack
Target: One creature
This maneuver functions only against opponents who are denied their Dexterity modifier to AC. As part of this maneuver, you make single melee attack. If successful, you deal an extra 1d6+2 points of sneak attack damage per two initiator levels. If the weapon is coated with an injury poison, you add your Dexterity modifier (if positive) as a mastery bonus to the DC for resisting your poison.
Fading Petal
Black Lotus (Counter)
Level: Black Lotus 2
Prerequisite: One Black Lotus maneuver
Initiation Action: 1 immediate action
Range: Personal
Target: You
You can initiate this maneuver at any time you are flanked or an attempt is made to disarm, grappled or trip you. If you initiate this maneuver as a reaction to being flanked, the flanking creature loses its advantages for flanking you until the beginning of its next turn. If this maneuver is initiated as a reaction on a disarm, grapple or trip attempt you roll a Sleight of Hand check instead of the corresponding defensive roll and use the result of that check to determine the attempts successfulness. A result of a natural 1 on your Sleight of Hand check is not an automatic failure.
3rd-Level
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Enduring Venom
Black Lotus (Counter)
Level: Black Lotus 3
Prerequisite: One Black Lotus maneuver
Initiation Action: 1 immediate action
Range: Personal
Target: You
By applying a focused wave of ki, you disrupt you victim’s immune system. You can use this maneuver to reroll any failed attempt to poison your foe, by means of an injury poison. Your opponent must reroll his save with a -2 penalty.
Twisting Fang
Black Lotus (Strike)
Level: Black Lotus 3
Prerequisite: Three Black Lotus maneuvers
Initiation Action: 1 standard action
Range: Personal
Target: You
With a single strike of deathly precision, you pierce your enemy in a vital point. A combination of deep twists causes severe internal damage, leaving your opponent ravaged.
As part of this maneuver, you make single melee attack. If successful, your opponent suffers an extra +1d8 points of damage per two initiator levels. When using a light melee weapon while initiating this maneuver, the weapons threat range and multiplier (maximum of 4) are increased based on initiator level. This effect stacks with other effects that increase threat range.
Initiator Level Range Multiplier 5-8 +1 +0 9-12 +2 +1 13+ +3 +2
Way of the Unseen
Black Lotus (Stance)
Level: Black Lotus 3
Prerequisite: One Black Lotus maneuver
Initiation Action: 1 swift action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: Stance
While in this stance, you gain darkvision out to 60 feet, a +10 competence bonus to movement speed and may add your initiator level as a competence bonus to Hide and Move Silently checks. In addition, you no longer take a penalty to Hide and Move Silently checks when moving up to running speed.
4th-Level
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Blade Paradox
Black Lotus (Counter)
Level: Black Lotus 4
Prerequisite: Two Black Lotus maneuvers
Initiation Action: 1 full-round action; See text
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: immediate
Whenever an opponent makes an attack of opportunity against you, you can initiate this maneuver as an immediate action. As part of this maneuver, you must make a Sleight of Hand check opposed by your opponent's attack roll. If your Sleight of Hand check succeeds, your opponent misses and you make an attack of opportunity against your attacker. If it hits, he becomes flat-footed against your next turn melee attack. This attack must take place on your next turn to gain benefit of this maneuver.
Throatseeker
Black Lotus (Strike)
Level: Black Lotus 4
Prerequisite: Two Black Lotus maneuvers
Initiation Action: 1 standard action
Range: Melee Attack
Target: One creature
Saving Throw: Fortitude partial
This maneuver functions only against opponents who are denied their Dexterity modifier to AC. As part of this maneuver, you make single melee attack. If successful, you deal an extra 1d6+2 points of sneak attack damage per two initiator levels, and must make a successful Fort save or become temporary hindered to speak. For the next 10 minutes, the target takes a -10 penalty on any skill check requiring speech, is unable to call for help, and suffers a 5% per initiator level chance of failure when casting a spell with verbal commands.
5th-Level
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Blades of the Unseen
Black Lotus (Boost)
Level: Black Lotus 5
Prerequisite: Two Black Lotus maneuvers
Initiation Action: 1 swift action
Range: Requires an opponent in melee range
You can initiate this boost only if you have an opponent within melee range that is a maximum of two size categories larger than you. Make a Sleight of Hand check opposed by your opponent’s Sense Motive check. If successful, you move behind your target in the blink of an eye, catching him flat-footed. Furthermore, regardless of the check, your light melee weapons have their threat range increased by 1 until the end of turn.
Shroud of Sins
Black Lotus (Stance)
Level: Black Lotus 5
Prerequisite: Two Black Lotus maneuvers
Initiation Action: 1 swift action
Target: You
Duration: Stance
One basic principle behind the Black Lotus discipline is to initiate with malice and aspire to kill in a single blow, using any means necessary. While in this stance, you may add half your initiator level as a mastery bonus to the saving throw DC's of any injury poison you apply to your weapons.
Furthermore, while wielding light weapons, the first melee attack each turn against a Dex denied or flanked opponent deals an additional 1d6 sneak attack damage per four initiator levels. However, if this attack is made against a target that is unaware of the initiator or does not recognize the initiator as an enemy, then the number of additional sneak attack dice granted by this stance is doubled.
6th-Level
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Flourishing Lotus Stride
Black Lotus (Boost)
Level: Black Lotus 6
Prerequisite: Two Black Lotus maneuvers
Initiation Action: 1 swift action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: End of turn
Until the end of turn, you benefit from effects similar to that of a Freedom of Movement spell and may make a move action as a free action, moving at double your speed while ignoring difficult terrain.
Withering Lotus Strike
Black Lotus (Strike)
Level: Black Lotus 6
Prerequisite: Two Black Lotus maneuvers
Initiation Action: 1 standard action
Range: Melee Attack
Target: One creature
Duration: 10 minutes
Saving Throw: Fortitude partial
This maneuver functions only against opponents who are denied their Dexterity modifier to AC. As part of this maneuver you make single melee attack. If successful, you deal an extra 1d6+2 points of sneak attack damage per two initiator levels, and your foe must make a successful Fortitude save or take 1d6 points of Constitution damage and become unable to regain hit points or ability damage by any means (this includes Fast Healing, regeneration or forms of magical healing). Any heal checks to stabilize a dying creature under the effect of this maneuver automatically fail.
7th-Level
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Black Venom Thrust
Black Lotus (Strike)
Level: Black Lotus 7
Prerequisite: Three Black Lotus maneuvers
Initiation Action: 1 standard action
Range: Melee Attack
Target: One creature
As part of this maneuver, you make a single melee attack. If successful, you add four times your Dexterity modifier to damage instead of Strength, and the attack is considered an automatic critical hit. If the weapon is coated with an injury or ingested poison and the target fails the save, he must immediately roll for the secondary poison damage.
Eyes of Massacre
Black Lotus (Stance)
Level: Black Lotus 7
Prerequisite: Three Black Lotus maneuvers
Initiation Action: 1 swift action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: Stance
As you observe an enemy, your eyes focus, and the position of every vein, organ and vulnerability becomes clear to you. While in this stance, the base critical threat range of any light melee weapons you wield is considered 17-20 and whenever the sublime assassin rolls a critical threat, he may roll twice to confirm the critical, using either result. If both results would confirm, the critical multiplier is increased by one. This effect does not stack with other effect that increase the critical modifier.
8th-Level
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Black Lotus Eclipse
Black Lotus (Strike)
Level: Black Lotus 8
Prerequisite: Three Black Lotus maneuvers
Initiation Action: 1 standard action
Range: Melee Attack
Target: One creature
Duration: 1 minute
Saving Throw: Fortitude partial
Enhanced by ki, you make a devastating blow to the targets nerve system, wrecking your foe's body. This maneuver functions only against an opponent who is denied his Dexterity modifier to AC. As part of this maneuver, you make single melee attack. If successful you deal an extra 1d6+1 points of sneak attack damage per initiator level, and you foe must make a successful Fortitude save or become exhausted, blinded and lose their next move action.
Veil of Deception
Black Lotus (Counter)
Level: Black Lotus 8
Prerequisite: Three Black Lotus maneuvers
Initiation Action: 1 immediate action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: immediate
If an opponent attacks you in melee, you can initiate this maneuver. You add halve your Sleight of Hand ranks to AC. If the attack misses, any subsequent attacks directed towards you miss this turn and the attacking creature becomes flat-footed against your next turn melee attacks. These attacks must take place before or on your next turn to gain the benefit of this maneuver. You cannot initiate this maneuver if you are considered flat-footed against the incoming attack.
9th-Level
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Death Sealer
Black Lotus (Strike)
Level: Black Lotus 9
Prerequisite: Four Black Lotus maneuvers
Initiation Action: 1 full-round action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Saving Throw: Fortitude partial
You make a combination of strikes with lethal precision, ravaging your opponent’s most vital points. As he drops to the ground, paralyzed due to excruciating pain. You use this final moment of opportunity to instantly send him to his already impending death.
This maneuver functions only against an opponent who is denied his Dexterity modifier to AC. As part of this strike you make a full attack action. Each attack automatically scores a critical hit and the critical multiplier is considered ×4. At the end of turn, if any of your attacks against your opponent were successful, he must make a Fortitude save (DC 19 + your Dex modifier) or become paralyzed for 1d4+1 rounds. If he fails the save, you may choose to make a Sleight of Hand check opposed by your opponent's AC. If successful, you make a Coup de Grace as an immediate action. You do not provoke an attack of opportunity by doing so.
Last edited by Zakaroth; 2015-09-30 at 04:46 AM. Reason: Fixed a mistake in a maneuver
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New Feats
Deathly Precision
Due to keen precision you can place your attacks there were they deal great damage.
Prerequisite: Weapon Finesse, one Black Lotus maneuver.
Benefit: Whenever you make a successful attack with one of the preferred weapons of the Black Lotus discipline, you add both your Dexterity and Strength modifier to damage and critical confirmation rolls.
Life’s Eclipse
Your deeper insight in the deathly arts of the Black Lotus discipline allows you to perfect your stealth and assassination techniques even further. During combat you use this insight to put yourself one step ahead of your enemies, while setting them one step closer to their death.
Prerequisite: Sleight of Hand 9 ranks, Deathly Precision, two Black Lotus maneuvers.
Benefit: The Life’s Eclipse feat enables the use of three tactical options.
• Death Dealer: Whenever you successfully poison a foe in combat with one of the preferred weapons of the Black Lotus discipline, you may make an attack of opportunity against that foe as an immediate action. You can only gain benefit of this effect once per round.
• Deep Wounds: Whenever you successfully critical hit a foe in combat with one of the preferred weapons of the Black Lotus discipline, you deal an additional 2 points of Constitution damage.
• Master of Deception: While you are in a Black Lotus stance, you may use a Sleight of Hand check instead of a bluff check when fainting in combat.Last edited by Zakaroth; 2011-12-15 at 08:06 PM.
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Re: Maneuver Descriptions
SpoilerRouge with Martial study deals 19d6 sneak attack damage. Not exactly well balanced.
so 18-20 becomes 16-20 then doubles from keen to 11-20? Rather powerful for a level 3 manuver.
Now with a small dip that rouge can be dealing 38d6 sneak attack damage.
Same problem as cruel strike, but now you can reach 9-20 threat range, which means weapon mastery can give garunteed crits.
The "Any Penalties" line stops every possible penalty, including the effects of glitterdust and the likes. Not fair.
Stab one guy once and he'll never recover hit points again. Ever. Way to powerful, as it removes the possibilty of recurring villians.
Sorry, missed 10 min/level. Just kill all healing for 2 hours. Still, why make incombet healing even more useless?
Finally, uber crit range as a stance. find a way to get 1 more range and you can have criticals with every hit (Via weapon mastery).
One feat and your 100% likely to crit on this. Hell, you had 3-20 treat range anyway thanks to eyes of massacre.
auto-crit isn't big at this point, setting multipler to x4 could lower it, and AC will be untouchable by Slight of hand at that point. (I've seen AC 50 before buffs at level 16).
Like the concept, but it still has some flaws.Last edited by jojolagger; 2011-10-04 at 12:07 PM.
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Yes, however you will only make a single melee attack that round, and at level 20. Dont really think its overpowered, just useful.
so 18-20 becomes 16-20 then doubles from keen to 11-20? Rather powerful for a level 3 manuver.
Same problem as cruel strike, but now you can reach 9-20 threat range, which means weapon mastery can give garunteed crits.
One feat and your 100% likely to crit on this. Hell, you had 3-20 treat range anyway thanks to eyes of massacre.
Now with a small dip that rouge can be dealing 38d6 sneak attack damage.
The "Any Penalties" line stops every possible penalty, including the effects of glitterdust and the likes. Not fair.
Stab one guy once and he'll never recover hit points again. Ever. Way to powerful, as it removes the possibilty of recurring villians.
Sorry, missed 10 min/level. Just kill all healing for 2 hours. Still, why make incombat healing even more useless?
Finally, uber crit range as a stance. find a way to get 1 more range and you can have criticals with every hit (Via weapon mastery).
It was designed with the associated light weapons in mind. Which, at maximum investment, would end up with a 15-20 range, as intended.
auto-crit isn't big at this point, setting multiplier to x4 could lower it, and AC will be untouchable by Slight of hand at that point. (I've seen AC 50 before buffs at level 16).
Like the concept, but it still has some flaws.
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Spiraling Lotus Stance is too good. Let me explain.
The feat Great Dexterity increases your Dexterity score by 1. It has a prerequisite of being 21st level or higher.
Meanwhile you can take Martial Study (Black Lotus maneuver) and Martial Stance (Spiraling Lotus Stance) and get +2 Dex AND a stacking bonus to hit and damage.
So you've effectively made Martial Stance (Spiraling Lotus Stance) a better feat than an epic feat. It's too strong.
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2011-10-04, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hmmm, seems like a weak feat actually, especially for epic :P
But fair enough, will remove the dex bonus.
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Decrease the crit range increases by 1 on all maneuvers and stances that increase it (and don't have it stack with keen and Improved Crit) and remove Shroud of Sins since it is either completely useless or way too powerful.
Withering Lotus healing inability should last less long. Maybe 1 round/level.Homebrewer's Signature | Avatar by Strawberries
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Followed your advice on the critical part. You really think Shroud of Sins cant be balanced? I already lowered the damage increase to max +50% (empowered), and note that its only on the first attack you make. Although, I just realized a major flaw in it. After the first attack, except for the poison DC bonus, their is no real reason to stay in the stance...
Thanks for pointing it out.
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That's one of the reasons, yes. Another is that if you have no Sneak Attack, you don't even gain that benefit.
Perhaps otherwise remove Veiled Stab (or make Veiled Stab simply add 1d6 or 2d6 Sneak Attack, without requiring Sleight of Hand ranks) and have Shroud of Sins grant Sneak Attack like Veiled Stab (but have the increases slowed to make it more balanced, like 1d6 Sneak Attack per 4 ranks in Sleight of Hand).Homebrewer's Signature | Avatar by Strawberries
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That sounds like an idea. So, granting max 5d6 (L20), to the first sneak attack only or a bonus to each? Do you also suggest removing the Death Attack part?
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Ok, made some changes to Shroud of Sins. It now gives bonus sneak attack dices to the first sneak attack each turn. If the target is unaware of the initiator, this bonus is doubled. Edit: Maybe base this of initiator level instead, granting 1d6 SA per 4 initiator levels, making it less attractive for rogues.
Changed Eyes of Massacre: Now sets the light weapons threat range to 18-20, instead of increasing it.
Also changed the "sneak attack" maneuvers; they now work against opponents that are denied their Dex to AC, instead of just flat-footed ones. So that u can use feint to set-up.Last edited by Zakaroth; 2011-10-05 at 04:02 PM.
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Ok, uploaded the discipline feats and tuned a lot of the maneuvers (mostly down).
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It's beautiful. Shadow Hand and Black Lotus. TIEM FOR TEH KILLING
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After having been away for some time, I have made several big changes: Removed some redundant maneuvers, shifted some around and added a few new ones. This is a near final version and would like to receive some final feedback. I am aware that the power level is above some/all of the original disciplines, but that is intended. I designed the maneuvers so that they scale as you level.
I could use help with flavor texts for some of the maneuvers, as I'm not really good at story-like writing, so if someone wants to volunteer please let me know. You will of course get credits for doing so.Last edited by Zakaroth; 2012-12-13 at 03:52 PM.
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Seems nice, at least at low levels (as I didn't really close read the higher levels); Asking for permission to steal (with credit, obviously) parts of this for a work-in-progress E6 game to which this might fit nicely
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Mad Props bro (or sis. use which ever applies). At first I thought the sneak attack dice was insane but then a thought occurred to me. First of all (and as it has been mentioned before) all of these "stacks" of sneak attack damage all apply to only one attack. A rogue with 2 weapon fighting and max sneak attacks have the potential for much more sneak attack damage if speced properly. So yah mad props.
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Re: Black Lotus Discipline
One obvious issue here is that targets that are immune to sneak attacks and poison and/or critical hits (such as undead, elementals, plants, etc) are completely immune to most of this discipline, making it much like Desert Wind in that respect. Obviously if the player has access to things that bypass this it might be okay, but that might not be available.
I'd consider adding in a few maneuvers designed to deal with this, for example boosts that bypass critical immunity, stances that grant some alternate effect when you would have landed a sneak attack, and similar.
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I second what JaronK has stated. As well, looking at Veiled Stab, there is no mention of when the bleed damage occurs to an afflicted target (start of their turn? End of their turn?). Also, in the same ability, it states that your sneak attack bonus is +1d6/4 Initiator levels. Does this bonus stack with any Sneak Attack dice you may have, or does it replace them? The way it is worded leads me to believe that it replaces them, but I still think it should be made clear.
I would also suggest making Death Sealer's DC increase for every successful hit above the first made in the Full Attack, for flavour purposes, but it isn't really necessary.
Other than that, I really like this discipline. It's just freaking awesome.
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Re: Black Lotus Discipline
Here's one that I could see being in this school:
Shifting Strike
Black Lotus (Strike)
Level: Black Lotus 1
Initiation Action: 1 standard action
Range: Melee Attack
Your deft bladework confounds your opponent, feinting and attacking in the same maneuver.
When you initiate this maneuver, you may roll a Sleight of Hand check instead of an attack roll. If successful, he is considered flat-footed when resolving damage dealt by this attack.
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That would allow you to apply precision damage even on rounds after the first, without having to flank. Later versions could do things like forcibly move them 5 feet (Opening up an AO) or allowing you to poison the blade as part of the same action.
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2013-01-25, 02:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Feel free to do so, it is there to be used
Thanks for the kind words. That is exactly the reason for the relatively high damage. I like the idea of an assassin to strike to kill, in a single devastating blow. The maneuvers are designed to reflect this.
I understand your point, but this was pretty much intended. The idea is that assassination abilities are specialized to target the living, thus mostly humanoid creatures. It kind of makes sense that these abilities wouldn't be ineffective against the non-living and "odd" creatures. One could always compensate for this weakness by taking some maneuvers from another discipline.
• Good point, I'll add that.. I guess at the end of their round makes most sense.
• It is suppose to stack, I'll clarify the wording.
• Actually, I have considered this, but eventually refrained from it because I thought it was powerful enough as is (it's pretty much an instant kill on failed save)
Thanks for the feedback and I am glad to hear that you like it :)
This is pretty much what Veiled Strike already does, plus more, or am I missing something?
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Re: Black Lotus Discipline
you should create a maneuver that make use of a ingested poison in battle
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I have a problem with Veil of Deception, it seems like you can counter the last attack from a fighter, and his previous attacks for the round retroactively become misses. Furthermore, the Initiator becomes immune to attacks (ranged and melee) for the rest of the round, and anyone who attacks him effectively becomes flat footed.
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2013-03-25, 04:12 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Sep 2009
Re: Black Lotus Discipline
Well, if you choose to activate after the first attack, it will not affect attacks that have already connected. But the wording contains a mistake, it shouldn't say round, it was designed with "turn" in mind, I will fix this and further clarify the wording. Thanks for pointing this out.
Last edited by Zakaroth; 2013-03-25 at 04:16 PM.