Avoiding the effects of Violet Rain (3.5)

[flappeercraft]

So is there a way to avoid the effects of Violet Rain? What I'm thinking is possibly an Acorn of far travel located in some place else outside the area of the Violet Rain could work, what do you guys think, would it work or not? Also how else could you avoid the effects of it some other way?

[Deophaun]

An umbrella?

It's actually not that tough as it's not a spread, so cover from the point of origin works. That means that unless they're flying, they're not going to get anywhere near the area of the spell, and if they are flying, see above.

Edit: i'm thinking of the evil weather spell. But... uh... cover still seems to work for the weather.

[Goladar]

You will never defeat sorcerer king!

[flappeercraft]

You will never defeat sorcerer king!

How are you so sure?

[Goladar]

How are you so sure?

Because Sorcerer King is really Sorcerer/Marshal/UPD King?

[Grand Arbiter]

You will never defeat sorcerer king!

Because Sorcerer King is really Sorcerer/Marshal/UPD King?

Don't poke the bear tarrasque with a stick. It rampages enough without being incited to do so.

[Goladar]

Don't poke the bear tarrasque with a stick. It rampages enough without being incited to do so.

There's a tarasque here?

[Grand Arbiter]

Metaphorically speaking, yes. It won't die and stay dead, despite the number of deific interventions that have sought to kill the beast thus far...

It could be quite the tale, but it is full of bad grammar and broken rules and doesn't belong here. I'd suggest letting it lie and paying it no mind when it resurfaces now and then.

[Goladar]

I'm quite certain that my incantations wont raise it. Besides, Wish can kill the Tarrasque and it hasn't worked yet. So it's probably not a Tarrasque.

[Grand Arbiter]

Hmmm, that's true...

Maybe we should give someone a call to check that Rovagug didn't get out.


EDIT: @ Goladar: I'm going to stop here before I risk derailing the thread too much. Do I have permission to put our exchange in my extended signature?

[Necroticplague]

Well, assuming we're talking about the Evil Weather effect, the simply solution is to not use divine spells. Alternative Spell Source to turn everything arcane should work.

[Goladar]

Well, assuming we're talking about the Evil Weather effect, the simply solution is to not use divine spells. Alternative Spell Source to turn everything arcane should work.

Like a boss!

Is Dragon allowed in many games? Where would I find old copies?

[Inevitability]

Well, assuming we're talking about the Evil Weather effect, the simply solution is to not use divine spells. Alternative Spell Source to turn everything arcane should work.

If dragon magazine isn't allowed, Southern Magician does the same for one spell per two levels. It's not much, but it's enough to win a battle and teleport away afterwards.

[LordOfCain]

It dont work. Violet Rain,Divine Spellcasters have no acess to spells.
Arcane or Divine Source, Divine Spellcasters can't cast spells.

Also, Alternative Spell Source they cant use Divine Metamagic.

Wait..... what? Divine spellcasters can't cast spells?

[LordOfCain]

Divine Spellcasters have no acess to spells.

Violet Rain Effect.

Oh, okay. So wouldn't just alternate source spell work? I thought violet rain did something different.

[Balaur Seeker]

Oh, okay. So wouldn't just alternate source spell work? I thought violet rain did something different.

Simply, Divine Spellcaster have no acess to spells. Alternative Source spell is useless here.

[LordOfCain]

Simply, Divine Spellcaster have no acess to spells. Alternative Source spell is useless here.

Okay, thanks. I should have checked the book fore posting.

[Balaur Seeker]

Okay, thanks. I should have checked the book fore posting.

Ok!

[Goladar]

Ok!

You seem, familiar....

Presumably, since it says nothing about divine/arcane casters, you would still be able to cast spells.

[Anthrowhale]

Violet Rain and Evil Weather are 3.0, and hence explicitly subject to DM revision in a 3.5 game.

Evil Weather only applies to the caster by RAW since it's Range: Personal and area is constrained by range. If you ignore this rule, it's unclear to me that line of effect blockers apply since it's not explicitly a burst or emanation effect. Talk to the DM. The acorn of far travel does not work, because you are still _there_ even if you also count as being somewhere else.

Wrt Violet Rain, using Alternate Source Spell is subject to DM adjudication because it's unclear weather "access" applies to memorization, casting, or both. In any case, all Alternate Source Spells precast by a divine spellcaster remain in effect.

Evil Weather[Violet Rain] is subject to suppression by Antimagic Field and Otiluke's Suppressing Field[Conjuration or Evil].

Another approach is to simply be on a coterminous plane.

Since it's a corrupt spell, Sorcerer's explicitly can't cast it and the 1 hour casting time makes it rather impractical in combat.

"Natural" Violet Rain may be somewhat harder to avoid because it is not explicitly magical.

[Balaur Seeker]

Wrt Violet Rain, using Alternate Source Spell is subject to DM adjudication because it's unclear weather "access" applies to memorization, casting, or both. In any case, all Alternate Source Spells precast by a divine spellcaster remain in effect.

Evil Weather[Violet Rain] is subject to suppression by Antimagic Field and Otiluke's Suppressing Field[Conjuration or Evil].

Another approach is to simply be on a coterminous plane.

Since it's a corrupt spell, Sorcerer's explicitly can't cast it and the 1 hour casting time makes it rather impractical in combat.

"Natural" Violet Rain may be somewhat harder to avoid because it is not explicitly magical.

1) Divine Spellcasters have no acess to spells. It's simply, no spells. No DM Interpretation.
2) Otiluke's supressing field dont block Evil Weather, Enemie use Evil Component to +10 CL, Also, No teleport? No Consumptive Field? Or Conjuration spells?
3) Enemie Otiluke's Supressing Field supress your Antimagic Field. Also, Mage Disjuntion or Disjoin Spell to break the antimagic field
3) Transdimentional Evil Weather
4) Sorcerer can use Corrupt Spells with Corrupt Arcana feat or Arcane Preparation feat
5) Craft Contingency Spell: Evil Weather, Supernatural Wish or Supernatural Alamanther's Return bypass 1 hours casting
6) Alternative Source Spell, You cant use Divine Metamagic.

[Goladar]

1) Divine Spellcasters have no acess to spells. It's simply, no spells. No DM Interpretation.
2) Otiluke's supressing field dont block Evil Weather, Enemie use Evil Component to +10 CL, Also, No teleport? No Consumptive Field? Or Conjuration spells?
3) Enemie Otiluke's Supressing Field supress your Antimagic Field. Also, Mage Disjuntion or Disjoin Spell to break the antimagic field
3) Transdimentional Evil Weather
4) Sorcerer can use Corrupt Spells with Corrupt Arcana feat or Arcane Preparation feat
5) Craft Contingency Spell: Evil Weather, Supernatural Wish or Supernatural Alamanther's Return bypass 1 hours casting

It's a sentence that brings up many questions. Your reading of it is not the only acceptable one. That's why DMs are needed.

[Nifft]

Simply, Divine Spellcaster have no acess to spells. Alternative Source spell is useless here.

Daaaang, it's worse than that.

If you have Southern Magician or Alternative Spell Source, it could be argued that you also lose spellcasting, even if you were originally (and primarily) an Arcane spellcaster.

[Balaur Seeker]

It's a sentence that brings up many questions. Your reading of it is not the only acceptable one. That's why DMs are needed.

No acess to spells. It's no acess to spells. So simply. LOL
With no acess to spells, also, can't cast spells.

[Swaoeaeieu]

1) Divine Spellcasters have no acess to spells. It's simply, no spells. No DM Interpretation.
2) Otiluke's supressing field dont block Evil Weather, Enemie use Evil Component to +10 CL, Also, No teleport? No Consumptive Field? Or Conjuration spells?

Violet rain takes away a divine casters ability to cast. But if he uses alternative source, doesnt that make him an arcane caster and therefor immune to the rain?
Also why wouldnt otiluke's field supress the rain?

[Balaur Seeker]

Daaaang, it's worse than that.

If you have Southern Magician or Alternative Spell Source, it could be argued that you also lose spellcasting, even if you were originally (and primarily) an Arcane spellcaster.

Yes, they also lose Alternative Spell Source and Southern Magician. They cant qualify for it. While under Evil Weather effect.

[Deophaun]

Violet rain takes away a divine casters ability to cast. But if he uses alternative source, doesnt that make him an arcane caster and therefor immune to the rain?

They are not mutually exclusive: you can be a divine caster and an arcane caster. Alternative Source just makes a spell arcane, it doesn't make you not a divine caster.

[Nifft]

Yes, they also lose Alternative Spell Source and Southern Magician. They cant qualify for it. While Evil Weather effect.

No, I mean they are arguable Divine casters by virtue of having that feat, therefore they would lose all spellcasting for the duration.

Another unexpected result: a Mystic Theurge would also lose all spellcasting for the duration.

[Swaoeaeieu]

They are not mutually exclusive: you can be a divine caster and an arcane caster. Alternative Source just makes a spell arcane, it doesn't make you not a divine caster.

wait so because of the way the rain is worded, even a cleric 1/wizard x would lose ALL spellcasting in the rain, but a wizard x would not? that is so weird...

[Balaur Seeker]

Violet rain takes away a divine casters ability to cast. But if he uses alternative source, doesnt that make him an arcane caster and therefor immune to the rain

No, you are always divine spellcaster. Only your spells are affected.