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2017-05-02, 03:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-05-02, 04:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IX: 1d3 Dysfunctions from the 8th Level List
Right, except that the actual written words don't mean that. The only way that...
...can be two different things is if you accept that the latter is the intended meaning of the sentence, which deviates from the meaning which is written down. I'm only concerned with what is written, not what is meant.
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2017-05-02, 04:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-05-02, 04:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IX: 1d3 Dysfunctions from the 8th Level List
See, I'm not - or, I shouldn't be being - judged on whether what I say literally means what I intend it to mean. We judge the rules as written because a long time ago, someone decided that that was the thing that we would do, and made a thread about it. Further, we understand that "RAW" stands for "Rules as written". If Wizards of the Coast (That's the company, not a group of arcane spellcasters who live by the sea) had defined "Any extra items you might need" to mean something specific, we might have used a definition other than the literal one. In a real game, we would definitely do so. Being deliberately obtuse helps your case, and the discussion, not at all, and I think you know it, and choose to do it for exactly that reason.
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2017-05-02, 05:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IX: 1d3 Dysfunctions from the 8th Level List
Or, I disagree with what comes across to me as an overly literal reading, and I'm responding by showing how that sort of reading doesn't actually work. This is thread for rules doing things they're not supposed to do, not rules that don't do what they're supposed to do when you ignore context and how phrases can have meanings distinct from their individual pieces.
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2017-05-02, 05:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-05-02, 05:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IX: 1d3 Dysfunctions from the 8th Level List
Got another from the section on Truename magic. Utterances as potions, to be specific. From ToM 262:
The potion will work only for creatures up to the CR the Truespeak check would affect. These potions have standard gp and experience point costs as described on page 284 of the Dungeon Master’s Guide.
This means that a character might create or buy a potion that will not work for her until she gains a level or two, or that be might be usable for only a short while.Kaedanis Pyran, tai faernae.
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2017-05-02, 06:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IX: 1d3 Dysfunctions from the 8th Level List
Well, given that it's based on a truespeak check, and a truespeak check only has to equal or beat the DC, not equal it exactly, it's presumably meant to be the former.
(You are, however, entirely correct that there's a contradiction, unless somehow you can lose challenge rating by gaining levels, which may be possible - in fact, it probably is somehow.)
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2017-05-02, 06:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IX: 1d3 Dysfunctions from the 8th Level List
So the decay domain's granted power tells you what to do with constructs with the living subtype and constructs without the living construct subtype. No word on what to do with constructs with the living construct subtype.
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2017-05-03, 01:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IX: 1d3 Dysfunctions from the 8th Level List
Because nothing other than type was updated for Hengeyokai in 3.5, Dog and Raccoon Dog Hengeyokai still get a +4 bonus to Wilderness Lore when tracking by scent in hybrid form. This is doubly dysfunctional, as not only is Wilderness Lore no longer a skill, but hybrid form Hengeyokai don't get the Scent ability anyway.
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2017-05-03, 01:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IX: 1d3 Dysfunctions from the 8th Level List
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2017-05-03, 01:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-05-03, 01:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-05-03, 03:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IX: 1d3 Dysfunctions from the 8th Level List
Rhymes with "Protracted."
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2017-05-03, 06:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IX: 1d3 Dysfunctions from the 8th Level List
While I'm usually the first to point out when Jormengand is deliberately misreading something, I actually agree with this one. It actually does say that, and unlike things such as spells, there's no obvious distinction between rules and flavor text.
Kaedanis Pyran, tai faernae.
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2017-05-03, 06:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IX: 1d3 Dysfunctions from the 8th Level List
It may not be 100% dysfunctional once you start imagining scenarios, but it always intrigued me that you could find a filled Iron Flask with creatures in it that would normally have a BASE Will save too high to be able to fail it even on a nat 1.
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2017-05-03, 07:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-05-03, 08:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-05-03, 08:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IX: 1d3 Dysfunctions from the 8th Level List
Yep. Pretty sure it's been that way since the first edition.
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2017-05-03, 09:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IX: 1d3 Dysfunctions from the 8th Level List
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2017-05-03, 09:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IX: 1d3 Dysfunctions from the 8th Level List
Explorer's outfits also lead to this weird schrodinger's situation where it's impossible to know what any given set contains until you buy it. Bob and Jim, two level 4 sorcerers, walk into a clothing store and both buy an explorer's outfit. Bob only knows damage spells, so his set has torches in it. Jim however, learned Continual Flame, so his set does not contain a torch because he doesn't need one. No matter how many sets he buys his will never contain a torch, and if Bob packs all his stuff back together and then sells it to jim, it STILL won't have a torch in it for Jim, even though it did for Bob. Bit wonky for mundane clothing.
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2017-05-03, 11:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IX: 1d3 Dysfunctions from the 8th Level List
Okay, here's a question: what do you think the sentence actually means, and where is your support, in the rules as they are written, for that belief? Because even a more charitable RAI meaning runs into dysfunctions where no-one's quite sure what you do and don't "need", as two people have already pointed out re "exploring-related" items (whatever those are) and whether or not your outfit contains X changing depending on whether or not you, personally, might need X.
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2017-05-03, 12:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-05-03, 12:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IX: 1d3 Dysfunctions from the 8th Level List
I think it's a fun idea that the explorer's outfit is full of random stuff, but I'm not sure it's a 'dysfunction'. This bug is already a feature of the spell component pouch. It's weird as hell, but I think it may have been intended. You gotta include some trait to the outfits that justifies picking them over the light and cheap peasant's clothes. Besides, if the 'minor robe of useful items' gets game-breaking in what it provides (like the key to a specific locked door) the DM can get philosophical and ask the player what they truly 'need'.
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2017-05-03, 01:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IX: 1d3 Dysfunctions from the 8th Level List
Unless one of those spell slots was used on Continual flame itself, because then he would already functionally have a torch; but not if he walked into an AMF at some point, when it would then have a torch again because the continual flame would fizzle. The rabbit hole goes quite deep apparently.
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2017-05-03, 02:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IX: 1d3 Dysfunctions from the 8th Level List
Tome of the Holy Grail: Draw power from legendary heroes.|The Dashing Dualist: Two weapons. One happy ending.|The Shifter: Be all that you can be.|The Professional: Mundanes, competent.|The Wuxia Fighter: Mundanes, Wacky.|The Generalist: Do literally everything.
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2017-05-03, 02:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-05-03, 02:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-05-03, 02:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IX: 1d3 Dysfunctions from the 8th Level List
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2017-05-03, 04:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Dysfunctional Rules IX: 1d3 Dysfunctions from the 8th Level List
Honestly, I don't even remember what dysfunction that post is referring to, I just object on principle. And I stand by my objection. This thread is NOT about wacky literal misinterpretations of the text.
Oh, was that the rule in question? Yeah, I dunno, I haven't looked at the reference.Rhymes with "Protracted."
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