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^~Cody T.~^
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant; it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." - Mewtwo
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Wow i go away for like 3hours to a councelling app and 2 pages appear! and huggies to all that require or want one!
We of the unicorn clan are the best horsemen in the land,our horses are our lives,we live as one,we fight as one,we die as one.
We are all awesome, each and every one of us, no matter who or what we are. Except those people who want to make other people feel bad ... them .. not so much!
"Say that our lives are measured not by gain but by giving."
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Well, hello everybody! Meet the brand new, out-to-my-parents me! I mustered up courage, and I told them I'm gay, and they're fine with it! Except it led to some rather uncomfortable questions. But, anyway, it's good! And very random.
Parents: "Time to go to bed."
Me:"Ok. Good night, and oh! I'm gay. Good night!"'Pride' Pony by Elemental
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Cool. I was just reading a new comic and got a ways in and then "Wait..."
then i looked back and noticed that happened to me a lot. Even in OOTS, counting the books.
School is finished as soon as my committee accepts my masters thesis. I have to move as a result.
Congrats! GOODLUCK!
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Spoiled part of this for length:
SpoilerIn fairness (and I'm offering this as a possible explanation, NOT a justification), could some of this be generational? Studies show that the older a person is, the less comfortable they are (in general) with the internet and social media or forums. It's easy to forget that the World Wide Web (what we really mean when we refer to the modern internet) has only been around about 21-22 years, and became the true major phenomena it has this century (2000 on). Those who would be in their early 20s would be the first generation to grow up where the web was always part of their life.
It's changed so much about how we interact with each other and the world around us. It's possible to be more connected with people and (ironically) more isolated at the same time. It's changed how we access news and (some might argue) what we call news. It's even changed in some ways the definition of friend.
It's certainly caught me off-guard, and I grew up in a home with parents who got into the computer field in the 70s (right when it was taking off) so was quite comfortable with computers. But the internet can be a scary place at times. It amazes (and yes, sometimes shocks) me at the amount of information people freely post about themselves. And at the same time many of my younger friends are shocked that I do as little sharing as I do.
As for trusting people on the web, and manipulation… we've all heard the stories about how people manipulated others on the internet into giving money, pretended to be someone they weren't so they could meet up and do horrible things, or (worst of all) tormented someone into harming or killing themselves. Some of the stories are exaggerated, some false, and others all too sadly true.
As our parents grew up, they made their mistakes. They attempt to pass their hard-won wisdom onto us so we don't make the same ones (or at least know what to do if we do make them). And we smile, nod, and secretly think they are crazy, but when we eventually make the exact same mistake, we refer back to what they told us.
The internet opens up a whole new playing field of mistakes. Many parents can't teach their children what to do or not to do because they don't know it themselves. And it's not an uncommon reaction to assume the worst and get over-protective when you don't know what to do.
Again, let me clear. I'm not justifying her behavior. But if (and I stress IF) this is the reason (or a big part of the reason) for her behavior, it gives you a basis for understanding it, which then gives you a starting point for determining the best way of addressing it.
As for the other stuff… that's rough. I've had all those things happen at various times, but all at once would be tough to deal with. Hang in there.
One Bananas Foster headed your way.
I'm shipping Martin and Claire!"That's a horrible idea! What time?"
T-Shirt given to me by a good friend.. "in fairness, I was unsupervised at the time".
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It might not look like it in your side of things, but on mine, there's always been an exception for Lix Lorn. I've seen arguments about who was more chaste and this superior break into flirting when you showed up. You're a superhero.
I know, right? Stupid geography!
Rolling mountains: less majestic as a romantic foil.
That's really more of a Playground thing. There is only so much we can so within the forum rules. I, too, have had problems with the atmosphere being not discriminating enough, but there's only so much one can hope for.
Why do you think there is something wrong with you?
Sounds like your trapezius then. Best I can offer is heat and resting in a neutral position, like you said. Anything else requires an off-forum consult and for me to re-up my certification.
Hi, Tom!
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SpoilerTHE LGBT NICHE: HOW MARKETERS TARGET THEM
Posted by Laura Beeston on: May 31, 2013 - 10:32 0 Comments
Commercials are queerer than ever.
As gay marriage reaches a tipping point of mass acceptance south of the border, it seems like more advertisers and retailers than ever are promoting LGBT visibility in their communications and corporate strategy.
“Things have changed beyond all recognition in the last 20 years,” says Ian Johnson, founder and CEO of the international marketing firm Out Now, adding that the breakthrough of LGBT people into mainstream advertising is evidence of this.
“Even a few years ago, the thinking was that any association with gays or lesbians was nothing short of brand suicide, so why risk it? Today, brands are increasingly realizing that if they appear to be on the wrong side of the case for equality, they'll now look like (and go the way of the) dinosaurs.”
Johnson suggested many brands embrace cultural and sexual diversity to show consumers they understand society is a better and more interesting place because of it. And, luckily, the commercials are also getting better as a result.
ADVERTISING EVOLUTION
Once relegated to vague and ambiguous innuendo, advertising featuring LGBT actors has exploded, expanding its reach beyond niche magazines to multiple platforms and “gaying-up” big name brands like Absolut Vodka, Amazon, and Microsoft.
Today, modern retailers aren't afraid to show their pride; quite the opposite: they’re coming right out. Commercials such as the most recent one from Kindle are great examples of the new gay blatancy.
But advertisers have had to get smarter and more inclusive in how they relate their message to LGBT audiences, says Mark Elderkin, CEO of the Gay Ad Network, a company currently working with the Museum of Vancouver.
“We have such diversity within the market. The stereotypes just aren’t accurate anymore,” he says. “It’s not just one type of user; it’s not single white men with high household income. The gay community is much broader and our research shows that.”
Advertisers today have also had to keep moving away from rainbows and stock images of young, fit, party-going males with their tops off,” agreed Johnson, who believes the marriage equality debate has especially challenged LGBT stereotyping about being capable (or interested in) long-term relationships and becoming parents.
“The extent to which younger LGBT people wish to marry and become parents in the future—which increases dramatically with the LGBT population that is aged 35 and under—will have huge implications for a number of industries,” he predicted.
INCLUSIVITY AT WORK
North of the border, the grown-up gay image has played itself out most markedly in the banks, specifically TD Canada Trust, who became an industry leader in corporate diversity initiatives.
Targeting their ads to LGBT media in 2007 before hitting the mainstream Canadian circuit in 2009, TD aims to position itself as the LGBT “bank of choice.” Their concerted efforts got people talking and their media strategy set them apart, even garnering recognition from Egale Canada.
“As a big bank, we have a responsibility to our communities. It’s how we make the bank human,” explained Hilary Woods, TD’s Senior Manager of Marketing and Planning. “Diversity and inclusion at TD is more than advertising; it’s what defines our success.”
Woods added that TD has supported LGBT community initiatives since 2003, began sponsoring Toronto Pride in 2005, and has since partnered with 18 festivals across North America.
“Through [this] leadership, we’ve demonstrated we’re in it for the long run,” she said, stressing that the benefit TD sees in marketing to the LGBT consumers goes beyond an attempt to tap into the so-called “pink dollar” purchasing power of the community.
But certainly money is something that marketers must consider, as the International Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce and other studies suggest gay buying power in Canada is hovering around $100 billion.
MARKETING IS MORE THAN JUST WORDS AND PICTURES
To access this wealth, however, takes credibility, say the marketing pros.
“We see study after study that shows that gay people are brand loyal [...] and are, in general, supportive of the brands that support them,” explained Elderkin, adding that as the social tide continues to turn towards diversity and acceptance, an even bigger market and opportunity is emerging.
“[Targeting advertising] can generate more brand affinity within the gay community, certainly, but you’re also attracting more progressive, socially conscious allies of the gay community,” he said. “It’s the best of both worlds.”
So when businesses choose to sell their commitment to diversity, they are no longer simply marketing to the estimated 5 per cent of LGBT Canadians out there, but to the 34 million of us.
By marketing to the gays, brands are “making a valuable and profitable statement of intent to [those] who support their friends, family members, and colleagues...The leverage of LGBT marketing has become far greater than it was when we started,” agrees Johnson. “Smart brands understand that the personal is political and that marketing actions speak to brand values.
“It was once enough for brands to just turn up and expect the LGBT market to react favourably to their overtures. Those days are far behind us.”
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Keeping it spoilered because it's pretty tangental to the thread.
SpoilerPerhaps that's it, yeah. My brother, at least, doesn't seem to have nearly as big a problem with the idea of online friends. And honestly, I would listen if she had something to say other than "they could be cons", because anybody could be one. Nobody's asked for money that I know, yet, though at least twice people have offered to donate to somebody when it was important. I'd understand the concern about meeting up with people, but that's just something you'd have to judge based on how well you know and trust the person and what exactly their offer is, because yes that can be risky. But I'm not going to say "Nope, not meeting you ever because I met you first online." And the third is being a bully, a troll, a flame... there are plenty of names for those who insult others, and it's something I've found offline more than on (with the exception of comments. Avoid those.) But thank you for spending the time to think through possible reasons, I've tried but maybe I'm a wee bit too close to the conflict.LGBTA+itP
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Oops.
Cool.
Myself, I could be okay as I am. I would be better afterwards though.
And inside of this mechabeast is the two meter, no-longer-long-haired Caucasian we all know.
Jesus.
None of that unless you're Buddha.
But thank you three for that. Denver is a good 14 hours away, so no visiting Zoe (that person I mentioned). I will be staying in touch, though. I'm not discouraged by the line thing. It happens. And I, personally, don't have a problem with trusting people I haven't met. I have a problem with how my mother chooses to not only have a problem with it, but brings this up repeatably.
Oh, okay. I though maybe I had slept too long XD.
Think he meant approaches 1.
I understood what you meant, TurkishProverb. It wasn't until someone else pointed it out I saw the numbers were reversed. Context for the win, yeah?
Yeah.
Friendly is not always a good criterion for things. Tough love exists because sometimes you don't need or want concessions. Respect is always good. Respect is not always nice.
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If you have two job applicants, one who has a record of stealing from his workplace, not showing up, and causing problems, and another who is a perfect employee, you must discriminate between them.
Discrimination means parsing according to strict standards. If you need help, and everyone just says "don't get better, love who you are!" That is actually bad. It is counter to your goal, and frustrating to boot.
Discrimination is not bad, but it is often misused.
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How goes the thread this evening?
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Sounds good. Learning is always nice. Though even though the definition provided above for discrimination is technically correct, there is certainly a negative connotation that goes along with it.
I find the word "critical" to be better when describing the purposeful partitioning of things.
Being critical leads to "discrimination," but it's implied without using a word people see as negative.
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*Offers hugs*
Anxiety is a very difficult thing to deal with, and I don't think you can be blamed for having done as you did. A lot of the time, anxiety is seen as a weakness and the person blamed for having it, which just makes it that much harder to actual address it. Realising that you can see it another way and work on it is a thing for you to be happy about, not to lament that it did not happen earlier. You're an amazing person, and you will continue to be so.
I hope that was a bit helpful, sorry if I make no sense or make things worse. ;_;
*Offers hugs as well*
That sounds like a rather terrible series of events, but I hope work and school works out in the end. >_<
Pressing someone about not trusting people that they know because it is online sounds a bit mean to me, even if it is meant well. Being able to see people and meet them in physical person doesn't necessarily grant any more ability to discern whether they are trustworthy or not. Trusting people happens because they show you that they can be trusted, not because you can scrutinise their facial expression for signs of them being a bad liar! >_<
Though, that may just be me ranting because I am not a secret empath bent on stealing superpowers. Sorries. >_>
I just imagined that for the first time, so adorable. *_*
*short-circuits from adorable overload*
;_;
*Offers all the hugs*
That sounds like a very terrible dream, particularly in how it goes directly for that. Are you all right now? Will more hugs help? ._.
*Offers even more hugs than all of them*
If it helps, I think that your reaction to the dream indicates that it is wrong. If you were a man, you would most likely not have a negative reaction to being told so, but you did. It was denying you who you are, and that hurts much more than any spooky voices cursing can. So, take that, dream-moon? ^_^'
[Mild Trigger Warning for injuries]
SpoilerSomeone having two broken legs does not mean that your one broken leg or a bleeding wound do not need to be addressed. If someone have it worse, they may need more help, but you still have it bad and still will get help. It is not a competition where the prize goes to only the one who has it worst.
Ahem, sorries. ^_^'
Speculation about T. Proverb's Law of Webcomic Length and LGBT Chances:
SpoilerI think it is a mixture of statistics and the fact that the internet is both a more sandbox-open (ie. you can't enforce RL customs on the entire internet, as anyone can make a site about anything and with any rules) and generally is populated by the younger generations.
Many webcomics have fairly large casts, which would make it quite improbable that nobody in it would ever be non-cis and/or non-straight. Many webcomics, being written by younger people and people who already embrace at least the technological development in society, also have less problems with LGBTAQ+ people and themes than more mainstream media do. This would mean that not only would it seem natural for there to eventually be some variation, but the creators would be more aware of social issues and movements' efforts to make media more varied.
Or, in other words; I think too much about this stuff. Sorries! ^_^'
Pretty well, I think. Some terrible nightmares and experiences were had off the site by some, which is terrible, but hopefully everybody feels a bit better now. ^_^
It is half-past nine in the morning here, though, so your evening comment is clearly in error. All glory to the Kobold Clock!Treasured Quotes
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