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2013-06-27, 08:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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An Inevitable for WBL? Equivalent creature?
Inevitables. 3 in the MM. For breaking oaths, cheating death, and evading justice.
2 in the Fiend Folio. One for policing time, another for defending godhood.
And finally, one in Sandstorm which represent "the inevitability of the waste."
Are there any others?
Are there some for characters who a) break the action economy? b) break CL? c) break the wealth by level chart?
Fluff-wise I suppose these would be Inevitables policing a) speed, b) how and where magical energies are channeled, and c) the fiscal boundaries of the multiverse.
Are there any 3rd party Inevitables? Or even official creatures which would fit the bill if we just tacked the word 'Inevitable' onto them?
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2013-06-27, 08:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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You could just make a inevitable whose purpose is to enforce the gentleman's agreement. Three (or more) birds with one stone!
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2013-06-27, 09:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: An Inevitable for WBL? Equivalent creature?
Specific inevitables may be tasked with missions that may take them outside their type's classic field of enforcement. Often times, if the mission is important enough, the inevitable will cut quite a large profile in it's approach to enforcement, and may sweep up many on the way to mission completion.
Economic dysfunction may fall more under the realm of a god of wealth/commerce/trade, and such a god might be more likely to use outsiders like justicators, arcadian avengers, or the like.
Finally, while a WBL-infringement inevitable might not specifically exist, many inevitables indiscriminately apply punitive measures against anyone a party to a violation. Classic broad-brush behavior, but many inevitables are given broad discretion in meting out justice. So, if the character slinging around the gp is friends with someone scoffing at the gods, or if the character is inadvertently funding a cult that seeks to use undeath to extend their lives, well, the character is part of the problem.In my dreams, I am currently adruid 20/wizard 10/arcane hierophant 10/warshaper 5.Actually, after giving birth to a galaxy by splitting a black hole, level is no longer relevant.
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2013-06-27, 09:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: An Inevitable for WBL? Equivalent creature?
Here, I'll stat it up:
Munchkarut
Size/Type: Large Construct (Extraplanar, Lawful)
Hit Dice: ∞d10+30 (∞)
Initiative: +Before You
Speed: 400 ft. (80 squares)
Armor Class: No, touch No, flat-footed No
Base Attack/Grapple: +Enough/+Enormous
Attack: Slam +Yes melee (2d6+Lots)
Full Attack: 2 Slams +Yes melee (2d6+Lots)
Space/Reach: 10 ft./10 ft.
Special Attacks: Rocks fall, greater scrying, spell-like abilities
Special Qualities: DR 50/epic and chaotic and adamantine, immunity to magic, lightning strike, regeneration
Saves: Fort +Yes, Ref +Yes, Will +Yes
Abilities: Str Lots, Dex Enough, Con -, Int Plenty, Wis Superior, Cha Sufficient
Skills: Yes
Feats: All of them
Environment: Mechanus
Organization: Solitary
Challenge Rating: Yes
Treasure: None
Alignment: Always lawful neutral
Advancement: --
Level Adjustment: --
Munchkaruts are the greater cousins of kolyaruts, punishing those who break the mysterious laws known as the Gentlemen's Agreement. No force can stop their wrath.
Combat
It kills you. 'Nuff said.
Rocks Fall (Ex):
As a free action, the Munchkarut can will a creature it can see to be utterly destroyed. A massive rockfall from thin air above the creature removes all effects currently active (including supernatural abilities) and destroys all magic items (including crafted contingencies) as Mordenkainen's disjunction, deals 100d12 damage (which bypasses DR by virtue of being falling damage, and does lethal damage despite any form of regeneration), and removes the memory of the creature from existence, as unname. The rocks do not harm anything but the creature targeted.
Greater Scrying (Ex):
As the spell, except that there is no save, and mind blank and similar effects are ignored. A creature being scried upon by the Munchkarut is a valid target for Rocks Fall.
Spell-Like Abilities:
At-will: greater teleport, disintegrate, plane shift, greater celerity; 3/day: foresight.
Immunity to Magic (Ex):
As the general golem ability; no spell or effect has any special effect on the Munchkarut.
Lightning Strike (Ex):
As the Dire Tortoise's ability.
Regeneration (Ex):
As the Tarrasque.
Last edited by TuggyNE; 2013-06-29 at 06:25 AM. Reason: Alignment
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2013-06-27, 09:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: An Inevitable for WBL? Equivalent creature?
But how does it deal with Forcecage?
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2013-06-27, 09:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Problem: You can shapechange into the Munchkarut and get Rocks Fall as an ability.
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2013-06-27, 09:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Obviously, shapechanging into a munchkarut will trigger the appearance of 10d100 munchkaruts, all intent on destroying the imposter. The death of any munchkarut triggers a second wave of 10d100.
The result is either a planet-wide implosion as the mass of munchkaruts causes gravitational collapse, or the arrival of Pun-Pun on the scene to create an atmosphere of seriousness amid the general levity.
In fact, this leads me to conjecture on the possible paradox of the "Two Munchkaruts." If one were to exist in the room with another, they would instantly engage in a potentially endless effort to annihilate each other. I conclude that there are either a maximum of one munchkarut in existence, or perhaps any odd number.In my dreams, I am currently adruid 20/wizard 10/arcane hierophant 10/warshaper 5.Actually, after giving birth to a galaxy by splitting a black hole, level is no longer relevant.
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2013-06-27, 09:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-06-27, 09:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-06-27, 09:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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In my dreams, I am currently adruid 20/wizard 10/arcane hierophant 10/warshaper 5.Actually, after giving birth to a galaxy by splitting a black hole, level is no longer relevant.
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2013-06-27, 09:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: An Inevitable for WBL? Equivalent creature?
Needs a "throw DMG" ability.
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2013-06-27, 09:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-06-27, 10:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: An Inevitable for WBL? Equivalent creature?
I suppose we can extend my "Two Munchkaruts" paradox to also include one munchkarut and Pun-Pun. Either Pun-Pun exists, or a munchkarut does. If they both existed, they would surely be locked in eternal battle.
On a more serious note, there are many elegant ways to handle the too-much-money problem. I created a race of fey that are naturally attracted to wealth, and who cause it to decrease through causality alteration (similar to a bad-luck fey, profits fall, quality of goods decreases, and reselling stuff is less profitable), to a specific rich person to whom one of them leeches off of.
Finally, consider the city where the player is wheeling and dealing being taken over by devils. The spread of avarice, greed, and materialism is solid gold to the baatezu, who will show up and hand out Pacts Infernal along with wonderful luxuries. The souls of the mortals become currency to balance out the spontaneous generation of material wealth, and pit fiends toast to the name of the WBL-breaking character.In my dreams, I am currently adruid 20/wizard 10/arcane hierophant 10/warshaper 5.Actually, after giving birth to a galaxy by splitting a black hole, level is no longer relevant.
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2013-06-27, 11:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-06-27, 11:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: An Inevitable for WBL? Equivalent creature?
Some Munchkarut somewhere is always scrying on anyone that is about to gate a Munchkarut, for the explicit purpose of slaying that creature before they get a chance to gate it. For the power of the Munchkarut is for the Munchkarut alone.
In my dreams, I am currently adruid 20/wizard 10/arcane hierophant 10/warshaper 5.Actually, after giving birth to a galaxy by splitting a black hole, level is no longer relevant.
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2013-06-27, 11:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: An Inevitable for WBL? Equivalent creature?
Infinite, no. Arbitrarily large, yes.
Cosmic Descryer 7 has Cosmic Connection which lets you take gain +1 CL for every 5 points of HP damage that you take. Combined with Delay Death you can have a CL of whatever you want
This can be picked up pre-epic through the use of an Illithid Savant or with Ice Assassin + Fusion + Astral Seed.
You can also just go Shapechange into a Zodar + Wish up a scroll of whatever spell you want at whatever CL you want + Shapechange into a Lilitu + use your Item Use ability to auto succeed on your UMD check to use your scroll of CL Arbitrarily large whatever.
Cosmic Descryer is also how you get arbitrarily large attack and damage rolls (using the ToB maneuvers that let you make a concentration check for damage rolls).Last edited by Emperor Tippy; 2013-06-27 at 11:22 PM.
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2013-06-28, 12:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: An Inevitable for WBL? Equivalent creature?
Pun-Pun can get infinite CL once he has infinite ability scores, but other than absurdities of that sort I'm not sure there's any way. And yes, I did consider shapechange before posting initially.
There's probably a few other things the Munchkarut(s) should reasonably have, but I'm not sure what else exactly. Maybe I should put this in Homebrew.Projects: Homebrew, Gentlemen's Agreement, DMPCs, Forbidden Knowledge safety, and Top Ten Worst. Also, Quotes and RACSD are good.
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2013-06-28, 05:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-06-28, 06:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think he uses the Omniscificer trick these days (ironic, ain't it?); at any rate, I got the data from the Pun-Pun Abilities project.
In any case, it is non-trivial, even in TO, to get infinite CL. Which means there's no need to worry about it, because the Muncharuts will certainly not let things get that far.Projects: Homebrew, Gentlemen's Agreement, DMPCs, Forbidden Knowledge safety, and Top Ten Worst. Also, Quotes and RACSD are good.
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2013-06-28, 06:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: An Inevitable for WBL? Equivalent creature?
On a more serious note, I could see an inevitable of time, who seeks out those who bend the fabric of reality too much.
Abuse haste, and you are likely OK.
Spend a day in a persisted timestop and you suddenly find yourself not alone, trapped in a world with no motion except for you, and the horrid, timeless monsters of steel and quintessence hunting you.
Ok, now I got to make a psionic spider monster that spins a web of quintessence to trap prey.
Darn you and your awesome idea making thread!
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2013-06-28, 07:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-06-28, 07:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: An Inevitable for WBL? Equivalent creature?
I was thinking more of you cast timestop and suddenly there is a 12ft tall spider made of steel looking at you from the top of a nearby building, it's red eyes glare at you judgmentally.
When the caster get to a library to research what it is, they discover that it is a common occurrence in timestops to see an inevitable, and they are harmless really...
Just don't try to hang around. The spell has a short duration for a reason, understand?
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2013-06-28, 07:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-06-28, 01:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spend a day in a persisted timestop and you suddenly find yourself not alone, trapped in a world with no motion except for you, and the horrid, timeless monsters of steel and quintessence hunting you.
Giant Quintessence Spider Inevitables would have made those bits waaay cooler.
Here, I'll stat it up:
Munchkarut
Size/Type: Large Construct (Extraplanar, Lawful)
Hit Dice: ∞d10+30 (∞)
Initiative: +Before You
Speed: 400 ft. (80 squares)
Armor Class: No, touch No, flat-footed No
Base Attack/Grapple: +Enough/+Enormous
Attack: Slam +Yes melee (2d6+Lots)
Full Attack: 2 Slams +Yes melee (2d6+Lots)
Space/Reach: 10 ft./10 ft.
Special Attacks: Rocks fall, greater scrying, spell-like abilities
Special Qualities: DR 50/epic and chaotic and adamantine, immunity to magic, lightning strike, regeneration
Saves: Fort +Yes, Ref +Yes, Will +Yes
Abilities: Str Lots, Dex Enough, Con -, Int Plenty, Wis Superior, Cha Sufficient
Skills: Yes
Feats: All of them
Environment: Mechanus
Organization: Solitary
Challenge Rating: Yes
Treasure: None
Alignment: Always neutral
Advancement: --
Level Adjustment: --
Munchkaruts are the greater cousins of kolyaruts, punishing those who break the mysterious laws known as the Gentlemen's Agreement. No force can stop their wrath.
Combat
It kills you. 'Nuff said.
Rocks Fall (Ex):
As a free action, the Munchkarut can will a creature it can see to be utterly destroyed. A massive rockfall from thin air above the creature removes all effects currently active (including supernatural abilities) and destroys all magic items (including crafted contingencies) as Mordenkainen's disjunction, deals 100d12 damage (which bypasses DR by virtue of being falling damage, and does lethal damage despite any form of regeneration), and removes the memory of the creature from existence, as unname. The rocks do not harm anything but the creature targeted.
Greater Scrying (Ex):
As the spell, except that there is no save, and mind blank and similar effects are ignored. A creature being scried upon by the Munchkarut is a valid target for Rocks Fall.
Spell-Like Abilities:
At-will: greater teleport, disintegrate, plane shift, greater celerity; 3/day: foresight.
Immunity to Magic (Ex):
As the general golem ability; no spell or effect has any special effect on the Munchkarut.
Lightning Strike (Ex):
As the Dire Tortoise's ability.
Regeneration (Ex):
As the Tarrasque.
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2013-06-28, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Your lv 1 wizard has sucessfully used charm person to Con 100,000 GP from the town leaving it bankrupt? Ok you now gain 11 levels of NPC Expert for yur daring heist. You are the most infamous man in the kingdom who is Kill on sight in all cities, nobody will sell you anything anymore and several Mature Adult Dragons are out to kill you for your treasure.
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2013-06-28, 03:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Regardless of encounter CR the most you can gain is almost but not quite two levels and there are no rules I know of for forced class level taking. Other than that the world reaction is a good solution.
Most people see a half orc and and think barbarian warrior. Me on the other hand? I think secondary trap handler and magic item tester. Also I'm not allowed to trick the next level one wizard into starting a fist fight with a house cat no matter how annoying he is.
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2013-06-28, 04:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-06-28, 04:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Your lv 1 wizard has sucessfully used charm person to Con 100,000 GP from the town leaving it bankrupt? Ok you now gain 11 levels of NPC Expert for yur daring heist. You are the most infamous man in the kingdom who is Kill on sight in all cities, nobody will sell you anything anymore and several Mature Adult Dragons are out to kill you for your treasure.
Definitely applying Inevitable abilities to some True Dragon for the next massive WBL infringement.
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2013-06-29, 01:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: An Inevitable for WBL? Equivalent creature?
Quaruts of course have several of these as SLAs, because it's ok when they do it.
On the subject of the Munchkarut, I think it could benefit from archetypal form. Then again, I seem to remember seeing Tippy do something with Ice Assassin, archetypal form, and an aleax to become more powerful, so I'm not sure if it's a good idea.
On the subject of the OP, an inevitable to enforce WBL already exists. It's the tax man. I'm serious. Cold, merciless, dedicated, and indefatigable. You can of course fluff him how you want, but it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that the tax collector should have some tricks up his sleeve.Kolyarut Avatar by Potatocubed.
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