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2019-05-03, 01:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
Which make me wonder, are they Westerners now? If Daigo and Kazumi's child becomes a Cleric, can they still worship the Twelve despite being on Marduk & Co's territrorry? Or are islands not part of the division of the world and become part of the territory of the gods of the people who settle them?
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2019-05-03, 01:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
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2019-05-03, 02:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
Xykon is definitely someone who kills as a way to vent. It’s just that he so rarely gets invested in something that he almost never gets genuinely upset.
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2019-05-03, 03:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-03, 04:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
Interestingly, no mention was made of Tsukiko or Xykon's suspicions towards Redcloak. It seems those forumers The Giant agreed with were saying that Xykon felt Redcloak's advice wasn't worth listening to anymore due to the phylactery fiasco, and that he was fixated on the idea of not wasting any more time. Frankly, I like my headcanon better
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2019-05-03, 06:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-03, 12:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
In that scene, it was the microcosm, where the 17th level Redcloak only healed himself and Xykon instead of casting Implosion and wrecking two whole party members instantly. It was the best possible scenario for the party to just immediately fight Xykon right then and there. It was what the ones walking in the hallway (the order) wanted which usually would have meant their deaths at the hand of the draketooths. In a real fight with Xykon and RC, there's no guarantee the Spellsplinter Maneuver would have worked and it just happened to work all times Roy tried it, and as mentioned RC would just Implosion them before they could get close.
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2019-05-03, 12:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
Can implosion one-shot Roy?
Or rather: in a scale from V to Roy, how many OotS members can implosion one-shot?
(or, if it is save-or-die - sorry, d20 srd is blocked for me right now - in a scale of V to Roy, how many members of the OotS does implosion have a >50% chance of killing?)
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2019-05-03, 12:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
It's a 9th level save or die that targets Fort saves. The DC will be 19+ whatever Redcloak's Wis bonus is (Wis at least 20 according to Geekery, so bonus is at least +5, so DC is at least 24.)
As a 14th level fighter with a Con of at least 12, Roy's Fort save is, at minimum, +10 (+9, +1 for Con).
Roy needs to roll a 14 to survive Implosion (assuming he has minimum CON specified in Geekery Thread).
So, even Roy has a better than 50% chance of being killed with Implosion.Last edited by hamishspence; 2019-05-03 at 12:35 PM.
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2019-05-03, 12:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
Last I read, Implosion is a #-of-rounds per caster level, point at a creature, it dies, probably with a fort save. And with RC's save DC, and how it killed the leader of the Eleven Insurgents, he could probably kill anyone in the party but Roy and Durkon with it at 50%+ accuracy.
EDIT: it's up to 4 rounds, and fort negates. Due to the clerics' and fighters' +9 to fort saves and RC's DC 22+ save DC, he could kill V, Elan, and Haley pretty easily and the other three slightly less so.
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2019-05-03, 12:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
Of course, that's just his minimum, he could be higher than this, but we wouldn't know for sure. At the very least, everyone treats him as having enough fortitude to tank some pretty hefty hits, but if Hilgya can fail a will save, Roy can fail a fortitude save.
O-Chul can definitely tank implosion for hours without issue though.
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2019-05-03, 12:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-03, 12:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-03, 01:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
Belkar has two good Fort save classes (ranger and barbarian), so he has a second +2 boost; and a +3 vest of resistance besides.
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2019-05-03, 01:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
Too bad protection from evil's resistance bonus wouldn't stack with that vest.
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2019-05-03, 01:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-03, 01:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
Last edited by Grey_Wolf_c; 2019-05-03 at 01:17 PM.
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2019-05-03, 01:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-03, 01:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
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2019-05-03, 02:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
I was assuming it were the former, for I was stating that the fight with Team Evil in the pyramid was not a disappointing fight, because it didn't happen, not really, and that Redcloak would have thought it best to implode Roy and next Haley instead of healing sneak attacks and greatsword damage that won't matter if he can just kill the enemies instantly.
Even if Belkar had the vest he would have ~+14 to his save (which by hamishspence's math gets him barely to a 50-50 odds), and Redcloak would take those odds anyway.
Watch Redcloak never prepare Implosion again since all the monsters in Kraagor's Tomb have probably better-than-the-order Fortitude, so we don't ever have to think about our favorite characters getting imploded in one or two panels when their arcs go over all 1300+ comics leading up to that point.
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2019-05-03, 02:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
Whoa, is Implosion really as broken as you guys are making it sound?
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2019-05-03, 02:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
Belkar's Con score is not known. If it's high, his save may be better than +14. That said, I'd agree that, even if he's the most likely of the Order to survive an Implosion, his chances still aren't great.
9th level spells are supposed to be very dangerous. It still allows Spell Resistance though.Last edited by hamishspence; 2019-05-03 at 02:10 PM.
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2019-05-03, 02:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
In D&D, there are spells which are known as "Save or die" spells. Those spells, if you fail your saving throw once, instantly kill, or at least remove your character from the fight. Implosion is one such spell. Other such spell would petrify your character, or mind control them, or paralyze them.
Unsurprisingly, those kinds of spells are a reason why spellcasters constantly have an edge over a physical damage-focused character.
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2019-05-03, 02:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-03, 02:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
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2019-05-03, 02:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
Ninth-level spells tend towards the excessive. For another example, wail of the banshee is save-or-die for 17+ people. (It's also a sonic effect and a death effect, so there are more defenses against it as compared to implosion.)
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2019-05-03, 03:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Is Implosion consecutive? RC used it consecutively (from what the strip shows) on the Commander and Lieutenant, but if it's not he could technically "save it" for later use if he holds his Concentration.
Also, implosion is such a cool word. Implosion, implosion, implosion.
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2019-05-03, 03:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-03, 03:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-03, 03:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What plot twist most disappointed you?
Ooh, okay. Thanks.