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2017-07-31, 02:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
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Welcome to the third LA-assignment thread!
For people confused about this thread's purpose, see here.
The archive has a list of all creatures and templates reviewed up to this point. Links to earlier threads can also be found there, as well as a brief explanation of some of the terminology used in this thread.Last edited by Inevitability; 2018-03-03 at 03:20 PM.
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2017-07-31, 02:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
Satyr
The third thread already? You've goat to be kidding me.
Satyrs have 5 fey RHD (bad with good skill points). Their ability scores are bland: they get a flat +2 to every stat but strength, which stays where it is. They're slightly faster than humans, have low DR overcome by cold iron weapons, get Alertness as a bonus feat and have one natural attack. They also receive bonuses to a few skills, some of which are actually quite useful.
However, all that simply isn't worth filling a quarter of your build with subpar RHD. Satyrs simply can't really do anything that's worth the investment. -0 LA.
Satyr with pipes
This pseudo-variant can create Fear, Sleep, and Charm Person effects as a standard action that affect all creatures in a large area, but while immunizing your allies is easy they're low-level spells one easily gains immunity to. Still a -0, but one that's just barely not worth playing.Last edited by Inevitability; 2017-08-02 at 02:32 AM.
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2017-07-31, 03:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
Concur with -0.
Honestly, I'm not all that sure that Pipes are really worth a +0. Sleep is useless. Charm Person is still moderately useful, but at level 5, non-humanoids start becoming more common, plus it's a Mind-Affecting effect. Fear is a mind-affecting fear effect, and all the downsides inherent there - namely just how many entities are immune and how easy it is to get immunity and/or significant save bonuses, but for those vulnerable, it can be useful. On the upside as a (Su) effect, the DC should scale decently.
Satyrs just don't have enough magical ability to compensate for their lack of nonmagical ability (or vice versa, as one prefers).
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2017-07-31, 03:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
I think Charm Person and Fear at will is worth +0 at level 5. They can still be good in many situations, and Charm Person even more outside combat.
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2017-07-31, 04:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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- Medium fey; 5 RHD (poor BAB, two good saves, 6 skill points/HD [quadruple at 1st); 40 ft move; +4 natural attack bonus; 1 natural attack; Dex +2, Con +2, Int +2, Wis +2, Cha +2 (net +8 to ability scores). Aside for the RHD, not terrible, but not great either.
- Solid skill list; +4 racial bonus on Hide, Listen, Move Silently, Perform, and Spot checks; Alertness as a bonus feat; proficient with the short bow. With 5 RHD and poor BAB, your best role is probably skillmonkey. You won't suck at it, but you won't be as good as someone without RHD.
- DR 5/cold iron - not bad, but quickly becomes less relevant at mid levels; Pipes - can produce two 1st level and one 4th levels spell effect as an Su ability, at will; Sleep is garbage at mid levels; Charm Person is effectively Mass due to the AoE, so not too shabby; and Fear isn't too bad; unfortunately immunity to Charm and Fear effects becomes more and more common, and your charm is useless on anything other than Humanoids to begin with. On the plus side, not blocked by SR.
Pros: minor ability boosts, pipes that can produce some OKish effects, +4 natural AC and minor DR.
Cons: 5 RHD.
I think you could do OK as some kind of skillmonkey - I mean, losing 5 class levels hurts, of course. Your pipes are going to start losing relevance at anything above low-mid levels. I don't think you suck enough for LA -0, so I'm voting LA +0.My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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2017-07-31, 05:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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First, thanks for choosing my idea! I wasn't expecting it to be so popular!
As for the Satyr, sounds right to me.Cool elan Illithid Slayer by linkele.
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2017-07-31, 12:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
Won't bother with a full breakdown, since there aren't really too many ambiguities. Fey HD are low (d6), have terrible BAB, two good saves and a large number of skill points. The Satyr's skill list is decent. The pipes will mostly be useful at 5th level, but will quickly lose significance due to immunities and an increased chance of running into non-humanoids. LA -0 seems fine for non-pipes, and LA 0 with pipes is also good.
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2017-07-31, 05:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
-0 seems fitting to me. Agree.
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2017-07-31, 05:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
So, a bunch of status-effect abilities that largely follow the videogame trope of being a waste of your turn to activate, plus an assortment of minor stat and skill buffs, all supported - or rather undermined - by 5 laughable RHD. Seriously, with the reputation fey creatures have in most mythology as beings not to be messed with, why are fey HD so terrible? An equal-HD commoner could probably beat the average fey into the ground in a straight brawl.
LA -0, even with the pipes.
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2017-07-31, 11:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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I agree , -0 even with the pipes. The satyr just won't hold up his end of the party.
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Fey are just weird creatures in D&D. They aren't usually enemies and even when they are, they tend to be annoyances more than deadly.
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2017-08-01, 04:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Often true, but then, the appropriately named Murderjack.
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2017-08-01, 06:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
Definitely -0 for either. The ability to use some third-rate abilities which you would already know if you'd had the temerity to be a bard, let alone a real caster, even at will, is not enough to save the fact that you spent 5 levels doing nothing useful.
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By "Spent 5 levels doing nothing useful" I mean "Spent [as in, the way you spend resources, not experience time] five of your levels [as in, the resource which a class level represents] doing nothing useful [doing nothing useful, such as aquiring real spellcasting]".
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2017-08-01, 08:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-02, 02:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
LA of the pipes satyr changed to -0.
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2017-08-02, 07:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
I've considered doing some analysis on negative LA, but never got around to doing more than a couple monsters.
Doubt it. Fey might have a decent weapon proficiency, probably have better ability scores, and definitely have a hit point or so per HD up on the commoner.
Besides, the Fair Folk weren't dangerous because they punched people real good. They were dangerous because they were cunning, eldritch, and amoral.
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2017-08-02, 02:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sea Cat
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Oh my, as sea cat and a sea tiger...these are most definitely not related to the incredibly lame sea lion. Nope. These are totally different and definitely not revamped versions of something Timmy drew after recess one day. I wonder if little Timmy got to design any other monsters?
Ability scores are okay, with the familiar high-strength, high-constitution, average-dexterity pattern accompanying an abysmal intelligence.
Sea cats, however, greatly diminish in usefulness once one takes a closer look at them. Their swim speed is 40 feet, which is decent, but their land speed a mere 10. Furthermore, they can't actually breathe underwater; merely hold their breath for a dozen minutes or so. This means that a sea cat can only properly function in aquatic environments where it still can surface a few times each hour. That means no underwater caverns, no plane of water, and absolutely no solid ground, which is obviously a giant limiter on in what situations sea cats are desirable characters.
To be honest, I think -0 LA is okay here. Limited range of adventuring locations aside, sea cats aren't that competitive when compared to other, similarly-leveled magical beasts. Owlbears, for example, have strictly better stats and one less HD, and manticores have flight, as well as superior ability scores.Creator of the LA-assignment thread.
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2017-08-02, 02:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Huh. I'd totally forgotten that they were even in the MM.
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2017-08-02, 04:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yikes -0 indeed.
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2017-08-02, 05:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Large magic beast (no reach); 6 RHD (full bab, 2 good saves); move 10 ft/swim 40 ft; +8 natural AC; 3 natural attacks; Str +8,. Dex +2, Con +6, Int -8, Wis +2 (net +10, but -8 to Int hurts); decent melee chassis, but very limited by environment.
- Small skill set; -8 to Int; racial bonus to swim; lets face it, skills just aren't your thing.
- Hold Breath - so, you're not even truly aquatic; Rend - nice, as it goes; darvision, low light vision, scent - your senses are quite impressive.
Pros: good physical stats, decent natural AC, rend and scent
Cons: your land speed sucks, massive hit to Int, and even if the campaign is entirely aquatic, you'll have to come bobbing up to the surface on a regular basis.
All in all, I'm in agreement with LA -0.My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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2017-08-02, 05:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The LA-assignment thread III: Now in HD!
Another creature that perfectly fits the 'monster' bill; just more cannon fodder with claw/claw/bite. It sucks too much to play as, but it can annoy some hp out of a player for a few seconds.
Without derailing too much, is the sea cat even a useful creature? 40ft is actually sort of a slow swim speed, so I don't know if they are even a fearsome predator compared to other aquatic animals. I think sharks and porpoises can swim at 60ft, so there's not much a sea cat can really take down. Are there any creatures that could ecologically support a large, slow seagoing predator?
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There used to be three creature types in 3.0: Animal (real world animals), Beast (dire animals, dinosaurs, and fantasy beasts without magic; the Beast type had better BAB(?), saves and HD than Animal), Magical Beast (creatures with explicit magic powers).
In 3.5, this was condensed to two. Dires and such went to Animal, while fantasy critters of any sort became Magical Beasts. Roc and a few other outliers remained animals, but it separated by mainly what a Druid could affect/control/turn into.
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2017-08-02, 09:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Most, if not all, creatures of the Animal type are creatures that exist, existed, or would plausibly fit in Earth's evolutionary history. Or are close.
I suppose this "Sea Cat" is a bit too far away from being historically plausible. At least, for whomever was involved in creating it.
But seriously, the line(s) between the "Animal", "Magical Beast", and "Vermin" creature types can get blurry around the edges at times.
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2017-08-02, 09:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yep, there's always stupid exceptions like Roc (or Battletitan) being an animal...
3.0 also had the Beast type, just to muddy the waters a little more.My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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