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2021-07-26, 05:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Smite and clerics
Is there a way for a cleric to have smite via a spell or ACF or any thing like that in 3.0/3.5
I vaguely remember doing that but not sure how I pulled it off.
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2021-07-26, 06:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Smite and clerics
There is the champion variant cleric. I don't remember what it's from though.
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2021-07-26, 06:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Smite and clerics
The champion variant of cleric has it, but I don't recommend it, turn undead is a lot better.
Ordained Champion turns turn undead attempts into smites, though.
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2021-07-26, 06:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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From Unearthed Arcana and the SRD, you can trade Turn Undead for Smite and Aura of Courage (as a paladin)
It's generally not a great tradeoff, considering all the stuff you could do, or get, with Turn Undead
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2021-07-26, 06:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Destruction domain comes with an inbuilt smite, albeit one/day. If you take the Extra Smiting feat, though, I think it adds to each smite source separately?
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2021-07-26, 07:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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The plan is to become an inquisitor at some point was building into shadow bane inquisitor but I want to hit like a semi truck at highway speeds.
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2021-07-26, 08:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Now I'm a little confused. Shadowbane Inquisitor doesn't have Smite as a prerequisite. And there are lots of ways other than Smite to deal extra damage. Why do you feel that making a Shadowbane Inquisitor who hits like a truck necessitates gaining Smite?
Also, Shadowbane Inquisitor has Turn Undead as a prerequisite. So if you're aiming for that, probably don't use any of the options for gaining Smite that replace Turn Undead.My Perpetually-Unfinished Homebrew: Tier-3 Class Suite, Homestuck Races for Pathfinder, Homestuck Races for 5e, Psionic Class Redux
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2021-07-26, 08:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2021-07-27, 01:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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so Shadowbane inquisitor does get smite so I can move into optimizing that in a few level but what would be would be some good feats to consider. if i can find the feat i was thinking of if it even exists.
do you guys know of a feat that allows you to spend your turning attempts to smites.
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2021-07-27, 02:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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The only thing I'm aware of that allows Turn Undead attempts to be spent to Smite is the Ordained Champions prestige class (Complete Champion, p90). It's pretty good. You might want to check it out.
If you're looking to focus on Smiting, the Awesome Smite feat (Complete Champion, p55) is worth a look. Sometimes it's nice to be able to knock an opponent down, or ignore miss chance.
If you're using a Cleric base, the Holy Warrior feat (Complete Champion, p60) is good. It gives you bonus damage equal to the highest-level spell you can cast. So a Cleric 9 would get +5 damage on every attack, all day, because he can cast 5th-level spells. (Compare that to a Whatever 5 / Shadowbane Inquisitor 4, who gets +4 damage on one attack per day, because he has 4 levels in the class that gives him Smite.)
Power Attack is a classic route to dealing good damage. If you can consistently hit in spite of giving yourself large penalties via the feat, you can get really impressive damage. There's lots more that can be said about Power Attack, if you're interested.
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2021-07-27, 03:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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You could also dip Prestige Paladin; the first level progresses casting and gives you a daily use of Smite, plus a few other perks.
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Re: Smite and clerics
Ordained Champion PrC (Complete Champion) have alignment-independent Smite (fueled by your Turn/Rebuke charges)
Also, Visage of the Deity spell line: Visage of the Deity gives you Celestial or Fiendish template (and thus - Smite Evil or Smite Good), and Greater Visage of the Deity - Half-Celestial or Half-Fiend
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2021-07-27, 10:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Holy Smite spell; usually 4th level, available through some domains.
Righteous Smite spell; usually 7th level; available through some domains.
Domains:
Destruction: smite, +4 attack, +cleric level damage.
Celestial: smite evil, +4 attack, +cleric level damage.
Planar Domains:
Elysium: smite evil, +Cha attack, +class level damage.
Hades: smite good, +Cha attack, +class level damage.
Limbo: smite law, +Cha attack, +class level damage.
Mechanus: smite chaos, +Cha attack, +class level damage.
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2021-07-29, 12:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Smite and clerics
When it says "cleric level" or "class level", does that exclude prc?
The planar domain smites are 1 per day plus 1 per 5 levels. Add tha charisma mod can be buffed above +4.
But Ordained Champion seems superior.
Smite (Su): At 2nd level, you can spend one daily use of your turn/rebuke undead ability as a swift action to turn your next melee attack into a smite. You gain a bonus equal to your Charisma modifier on attack rolls, and you deal extra damage equal to your total effective turning or rebuking level. Your smite attack is not limited by alignment or race; you can attempt to smite any foe. Except as noted here, this ability functions like the paladin's smite evil ability (PH 44).
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2021-07-29, 04:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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It sounds like you're thinking of either the Ordained Champion prestige class or the Divine Might feat.
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Class level is somewhat dependent on context: in a PrC, it is generally assumed to mean levels in that PrC, for instance.
In a domain, though, I would agree it applies to your total level. The glossary backs this up: http://archive.wizards.com/default.a...rlevel&alpha=C
character level
A character's total level. For a character with levels in only one class, class level and character level are the same thing.
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character level
A character's total level. For a character with levels in only one class, class level and character level are the same thing.
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2021-09-19, 12:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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okay so I've done more work on this build and currently i am a horribly multi-classed monstrosity. I am rogue 2, fighter 1, cleric 2, ordained champion 1.
I have the feats, LVL 1:power attack, LVL 3: weapon focus (Scimitar), Fighter bonus feat: I need help with, LVL 6: Extra turning, Ordained champion: need help with
the end goal is to end up with a massive damage build And am likely going to be improving my ability to smite for more damage. as well as the fact i will be taking levels in Shadowbane Inquisitor.
I will also be using UMD like mad to enhance my abilities and over come my lack of spell casting.
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2021-09-19, 06:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Charging Smite (Paladin ACF) in PHB2 does an additional 2 points per level in damage (so triple basically) when smiting on a charge attack. Nice bonus is that if the attack misses, the Smite isn't considered used. Requires 5 levels in Paladin though, as it replaces Mount.
Divine Might (Complete Warrior) lets you spend turning to add Charisma to damage for 1 round.
If you at some point can cast 4th level spells (and you have the War Domain), you could also consider the Holy Warrior feat from Complete Champion.
HOLY WARRIOR [RESERVE]
Your zeal on the battlefield allows you to deal extra damage
Prerequisites: Ability to cast 4th-level spells, access to the War domain.
Benefit: As long as you have a 4th-level or higher War domain spell available to cast, you gain a bonus on your weapon damage rolls equal to the level of the highest-level War spell you have available to cast.
As a secondary benefit, you gain a +1 competence bonus to your caster level when casting force spells.
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1. Smite (of any kind) lets you add your Charisma to Attack rolls, not damage (you add levels to damage, usually Paladin levels or Cleric levels).
2. Even if it was Cha to damage, it would be from different sources. Unless otherwise stated, bonuses (that aren't the same type) from different sources stack.
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2021-09-19, 09:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Except the bonus type is your charisma modifier. Now if one of the abilities say that they add a bonus equal to your charisma bonus it would work. Slippers of Battledancing wouldn't stack with smite or divine might as an example of this. A stacking example would be the con to AC of Deepwarden and Fist of the Forest. Deepwarden uses your con modifier instead of your dex modifier while Fist of the Forest adds a separate bonus equal to your con modifier to your AC.
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There are some arguments that you can't add the same modifier to the same things more than once (Cha to hit, in this case); other arguments are that so long as the sources have different names and are untyped, then they can stack.
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2021-09-20, 03:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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thanks all hopefully it works out and my DM allows it
if not do you have an other feat suggestion.
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2021-09-20, 05:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Maybe you were thinking about Holy Smite (the spell)?
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