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Is there a 20-level build that gets SA+20d6? Just a random thought. There's Rogue1/Wilderness Rogue1/Sneak Attack Fighter1/Spellthief1/?
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I don't know if it's possible, but I figured I would help with the suggestion of a SA advancing prestige class.But... but... You can't Wake Up Dead
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You can get more then triple that.
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A human Factotum 20 with 30 Int and two flaws and ten instances of Font of Inspiration has 65 inspiration, which can all be blown on a single attack for 65d6 Sneak Attack damage.
Otherwise? Such a build probably isn't too hard. It'd probably involve Assassin's Stance and Hunter's Eye with a lot of casting PrCs that progress Sneak Attack damage. Spellthief shenanigans could get you a crazy-high caster level to let you get all of that through Hunter's Eye.
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From Eldariel, in a post 2 or three weeks ago.
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It's untyped damage without any restriction on how many times you can use it. All the other Factotum abilities are quite pointed; Cunning Insight is a non-stacking insight bonus. Cunning Knowledge is once per day per skill. Cunning Defense specifies that it works once per opponent. Cunning Strike? No such constraints. And, it makes sense in making the ability not suck. 1d6 sneak attack is pretty much irrelevant at all levels, after all.
Spend a point, get 1d6 sneak attack. Spend a point and spend a point, get 1d6 and 1d6. Spend a point sixty times, get 1d6 sixty times, and it all stacks. There's no associated action type or limit on use, so the question becomes, why couldn't you? After all, if you just blew ten feats and twenty levels on getting 65 inspiration, you deserve that 65d6 sneak attack damage, particularly considering it'd leave you useless for the rest of the fight and it's wasted if it misses.
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You're forgetting the most basic rule here: stacking.
Stacking
In most cases, modifiers to a given check or roll stack (combine for a cumulative effect) if they come from different sources and have different types (or no type at all), but do not stack if they have the same type or come from the same source (such as the same spell cast twice in succession).
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It's not untyped, it's sneak attack damage, not that that's relevant. Abilities like this only stack if stated to do so. If it could be expanded on it would ay that for each extra inpiration point spent beyond the first, you gain an additional 1d6 sneak attack damage.
Anyway, you could read it either way. I'd let it stack in a game, but by RAW I don't think it does.
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Regarding the max SA build, it's worth noting that Consumptive Field doesn't stack with itself and thus effectively caps out at twice your standard CL after repeated castings, which in turn makes it relevant for scientific curiosity to see how far Hunter's Eye-abuse gets one.
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Yeah, due to the fact that Consumptive Field can't actually get that high, the best sneak attack you can get in 20 levels is probably Human Rogue 16/Factotum 4 with two flaws, spending all your feats (including the Rogue bonus ones) on Fonts of Inspiration. Then use inspiration points to get triple digit sneak attack once per encounter.
You can UMD Hunter's Eye for a little more.
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Hm, well, it still doubles your CL. I think you could get at least CL 90 with some work, without looping anything. That's already +30d6 to your SA. After that, your levels can still grant you ~+10d6, and various other sources are ~20-30. You should be able to get +60d6-+70d6, which is respectable, at least.
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